Which speaker cable?

[Deleted member 116933]

What ever forum you go to you going to get the same response's. Its a hot topic for some! not really to sure why some get so hot under the collar about it, its your money at the end of the day.

If it where me at this price point i would look no further than QED original or linn k20 and some descent brass termination and heat shrink. The termination will have the biggest impact on sound over time so mustn't be underestimated.

Another thing you could try is to reterminate your cable as it may of oxidised since you last inspected it!?

Big boss is correct though the general rule of thumb is to spend no more than 10% overall and thats including the interconnects between various components you have.

To be honest at this price buy a few runs of each budget cable and see what you like. If you hear a difference then great swap to that. But if you don't just sell what you have a on ebay and nothings lost.

 

[gasolin]

What ever forum you go to you going to get the same response's. Its a hot topic for some! not really to sure why some get so hot under the collar about it, its your money at the end of the day.

If it where me at this price point i would look no further than QED original or linn k20 and some descent brass termination and heat shrink. The termination will have the biggest impact on sound over time so mustn't be underestimated.

Another thing you could try is to reterminate your cable as it may of oxidised since you last inspected it!?

Big boss is correct though the general rule of thumb is to spend no more than 10% overall and thats including the interconnects between various components you have.

To be honest at this price buy a few runs of each budget cable and see what you like. If you hear a difference then great swap to that. But if you don't just sell what you have a on ebay and nothings lost.

As i mentioned the upper midrange,lower trebel is to soft, it's a cable for agressive sound speaker and dosn't match my system

 

[ID.]

What ever forum you go to you going to get the same response's. Its a hot topic for some! not really to sure why some get so hot under the collar about it, its your money at the end of the day.

If it where me at this price point i would look no further than QED original or linn k20 and some descent brass termination and heat shrink. The termination will have the biggest impact on sound over time so mustn't be underestimated.

Another thing you could try is to reterminate your cable as it may of oxidised since you last inspected it!?

Big boss is correct though the general rule of thumb is to spend no more than 10% overall and thats including the interconnects between various components you have.

To be honest at this price buy a few runs of each budget cable and see what you like. If you hear a difference then great swap to that. But if you don't just sell what you have a on ebay and nothings lost.

As i mentioned the upper midrange,lower trebel is to soft, it's a cable for agressive sound speaker and dosn't match my system

but you described your treble as a bit hard and metallic which sounds pretty aggressive to me and like it could do with some softening.

My personal diagnosis: the problem isn't the speaker cable. Many budget amps and speakers get a bit hard in the treble, especially at higher volume. The lower quality power supply and lower wattage means less bass often. I found the 6005 and 7005 surprisingly lean in some setups. Smaller speakers can also have less bass. Basically without realizing it you are feeling dissatisfied by the limits of a budget system. This is an itch that will lead you to upgrade again soon .

or if you must, get the thickest copper cable you can. No silver. Gold plated plugs.

 

[NSA_watch_my_toilet]

I will not enter the BS theme about cable. There is, in fact, a solid amount of serious stuff around this theme for understanding it. And, generally, nobody of those "cable gods" understand any of that. It will only create a fight.

One is sure, you need an adapted cross section for transporting a music signal with no deterioration of the signal. It depends of the amount of watts that you need to transport, and it's related to the length. Generally. for "home use". Cables around 3 or 4 meters are standard stuff. For this application, 2mm cross section will be sufficient. 4mm is better. For high lengths and power, the 6mm and more cables will be fine. The purity of copper is, generally, always very good. If you go for a serious brand, you will have no bad surprise about that.

Now, if you want a better bass quality. Make sure your cable has not a too small section, be sure that your speaker are able to reproduce the bass that you research and work about your room ! This is the most important factor beside of the quality of your speakers. I heard many really serious speakers, sounding sh_tty, because the rooms they was in was absolutely awful or, at the best, far from great. Find out where the downsides of your rooms are and fight against them with proper mesures. You will get every penny out of your investment.

 

[Deleted member 116933]

"As i mentioned the upper midrange,lower trebel is to soft, it's a cable for agressive sound speaker and dosn't match my system"

A little rude but ok. From my whole post and thats all you gather from it. I don't even know which comment your disagreeing too QED or the LINN K20, the cleaning of your current cable. Or was it the termination advice.

so you've tried both cables i've suggested?. If not how do you know?

like i "MENTIONED" above grab 20 notes and buy 1 meter lenghts of you chosen cables to audition and find out for yourself. Sell the rest on ebay.

 

[Deleted member 116933]

What ever forum you go to you going to get the same response's. Its a hot topic for some! not really to sure why some get so hot under the collar about it, its your money at the end of the day.

If it where me at this price point i would look no further than QED original or linn k20 and some descent brass termination and heat shrink. The termination will have the biggest impact on sound over time so mustn't be underestimated.

Another thing you could try is to reterminate your cable as it may of oxidised since you last inspected it!?

Big boss is correct though the general rule of thumb is to spend no more than 10% overall and thats including the interconnects between various components you have.

To be honest at this price buy a few runs of each budget cable and see what you like. If you hear a difference then great swap to that. But if you don't just sell what you have a on ebay and nothings lost.

As i mentioned the upper midrange,lower trebel is to soft, it's a cable for agressive sound speaker and dosn't match my system

but you described your treble as a bit hard and metallic which sounds pretty aggressive to me and like it could do with some softening.

My personal diagnosis: the problem isn't the speaker cable. Many budget amps and speakers get a bit hard in the treble, especially at higher volume. The lower quality power supply and lower wattage means less bass often. I found the 6005 and 7005 surprisingly lean in some setups. Smaller speakers can also have less bass. Basically without realizing it you are feeling dissatisfied by the limits of a budget system. This is an itch that will lead you to upgrade again soon .

or if you must, get the thickest copper cable you can. No silver. Gold plated plugs.

+1

 

[RobinKidderminster]

Is there as particular cable which is advertised to give the OPs desired characteristics?

 

[NSA_watch_my_toilet]

Is there as particular cable which is advertised to give the OPs desired characteristics?

They are a lot rattlesnake potions wondercable for tender highs and strong bass with subtile mediums.

Other simply buy an ATC speaker.

 

[gasolin]

What ever forum you go to you going to get the same response's. Its a hot topic for some! not really to sure why some get so hot under the collar about it, its your money at the end of the day.

If it where me at this price point i would look no further than QED original or linn k20 and some descent brass termination and heat shrink. The termination will have the biggest impact on sound over time so mustn't be underestimated.

Another thing you could try is to reterminate your cable as it may of oxidised since you last inspected it!?

Big boss is correct though the general rule of thumb is to spend no more than 10% overall and thats including the interconnects between various components you have.

To be honest at this price buy a few runs of each budget cable and see what you like. If you hear a difference then great swap to that. But if you don't just sell what you have a on ebay and nothings lost.

As i mentioned the upper midrange,lower trebel is to soft, it's a cable for agressive sound speaker and dosn't match my system

but you described your treble as a bit hard and metallic which sounds pretty aggressive to me and like it could do with some softening.

My personal diagnosis: the problem isn't the speaker cable. Many budget amps and speakers get a bit hard in the treble, especially at higher volume. The lower quality power supply and lower wattage means less bass often. I found the 6005 and 7005 surprisingly lean in some setups. Smaller speakers can also have less bass. Basically without realizing it you are feeling dissatisfied by the limits of a budget system. This is an itch that will lead you to upgrade again soon .

or if you must, get the thickest copper cable you can. No silver. Gold plated plugs.

Don't know if it's just beacuase the sound is a bit different, the amp hasn't had enough burn in, my cables are standard quality and my amp is more revealing, mabye just my interconnect (it's also new) or just more revealing of music that is not amongst the best recorded (do listen alot to music on youtube) I only noticed the slightly more noticeable top in the first few days i hav only had my amp for 4 days

 

[gasolin]

"As i mentioned the upper midrange,lower trebel is to soft, it's a cable for agressive sound speaker and dosn't match my system"

A little rude but ok. From my whole post and thats all you gather from it. I don't even know which comment your disagreeing too QED or the LINN K20, the cleaning of your current cable. Or was it the termination advice.

so you've tried both cables i've suggested?. If not how do you know?

like i "MENTIONED" above grab 20 notes and buy 1 meter lenghts of you chosen cables to audition and find out for yourself. Sell the rest on ebay.

Qed, don't like the upper midrange,lower treble it's just to laid back,soft

 

[Reijer]

VdH CS122 Hybrid is always my affordable suggestion.

here in holland it is the most worse cable from van den hul. There are dealers who sell van den hul cables but won't this one. Too bad. You will find in holland no one who find it good. And van den hul isn't popular here.

Cables do differ, so you have to test them.

I do not agree with the opinion of Loneranger. In Dordrecht the HiFispecialist has VDHull-cabels in store, and sells them a lot, but I never used them.

After using Sommer Prima cable (2x2,5mm2) I bought Audioquest FLX slip 14/4 which give a more open and neutral sound in my opinion. Still using the Sommer cable as a brigde between the two speakerterminals instead of the simple iron brackets.

So test and choose what is good for your taste/ears.

 

[JamesMellor]

What ever forum you go to you going to get the same response's. Its a hot topic for some! not really to sure why some get so hot under the collar about it, its your money at the end of the day.

If it where me at this price point i would look no further than QED original or linn k20 and some descent brass termination and heat shrink. The termination will have the biggest impact on sound over time so mustn't be underestimated.

Another thing you could try is to reterminate your cable as it may of oxidised since you last inspected it!?

Big boss is correct though the general rule of thumb is to spend no more than 10% overall and thats including the interconnects between various components you have.

To be honest at this price buy a few runs of each budget cable and see what you like. If you hear a difference then great swap to that. But if you don't just sell what you have a on ebay and nothings lost.

As i mentioned the upper midrange,lower trebel is to soft, it's a cable for agressive sound speaker and dosn't match my system

but you described your treble as a bit hard and metallic which sounds pretty aggressive to me and like it could do with some softening.

My personal diagnosis: the problem isn't the speaker cable. Many budget amps and speakers get a bit hard in the treble, especially at higher volume. The lower quality power supply and lower wattage means less bass often. I found the 6005 and 7005 surprisingly lean in some setups. Smaller speakers can also have less bass. Basically without realizing it you are feeling dissatisfied by the limits of a budget system. This is an itch that will lead you to upgrade again soon .

or if you must, get the thickest copper cable you can. No silver. Gold plated plugs.

Don't know if it's just beacuase the sound is a bit different, the amp hasn't had enough burn in, my cables are standard quality and my amp is more revealing, mabye just my interconnect (it's also new) or just more revealing of music that is not amongst the best recorded (do listen alot to music on youtube) I only noticed the slightly more noticeable top in the first few days i hav only had my amp for 4 days

Hi Gasolin ,

If you've only had the amp for 4 days I wonder if what sounded more "revealing" at the demo is starting to sound hard and metalic the more you live with it , I'd try tweaking your speaker postioning or even ( heaven forbid ) the tone controls before spending 50-70 euro on cables.

But after 4 or 5 days if you're just not getting along with it are you not still inside the returns period, Maybe add those 70 euros to the amp budget and see what else you can hear?

Best of Luck

James

 

[gasolin]

I like the general sound of my system open clear sound, a bit to the brighter side (not much) and for my taste room,speaker lots of power, i wouldn't return it to get a more power full amp.

The Marantz PM6005 doesn't have a very deep and tight bass like a BIG amp or a soft top like a tube amp (but still sound great)

I now know how my system sounds with the marantz amp and supra interconnect (both bought at the same time so i don't have any sound experince with one of then with my old setup)

The only thing that is not beyond standard or avarage quality (sound) is my speaker cable

That's why i want to change it. Then i would know that no matter what i change,upgrade in the future (do to new much better products or having the money for something completly different,better) i wouldn't have no weak link

If people upgrade there speaker cable they more or less all want better high,mids and lows, if i have to describe a sound i would like from my final tweak,purchase is more emphasis on the bass and a slighty softer top or a bit more discret

I know that speaker cable can change sound, i used about 10 years ago big floorstand speakers with 2x8" woofers (each speaker) and used cheap audioquest f-14 for the midrange and top, for the bass i used a much better cable, Audioquest midnight , usning the midnight for the highs and mids instead of the f-14, the sound goot much better, more high performance.

I would like to know what to go for when upgrading my speaker cable for my final tweak,purchase, istead of just buying supra rondo or ply which because it's a better more expensive cable from the same brand i use now (but is the rondo,ply good enough with my system, compared to the standard supra classic 2.5 speaker i use atm?)

 

[RobinKidderminster]

Trying to use cable as a tone control? Wow!

 

[Vladimir]

Trying to use cable as a tone control? Wow!

Think of it like fine tuning a violin by choosing different lacquers. There are simple resins from forest bugs in India and Thailand, but people with refined tastes shall not conform to such mediocrity. Only the best and rarest species from forests in Madagascar harnessed during early spring will do justice to such cultured tastes and precise yet soulful instruments.

Of course if you are a mere brutish peasant none of this matters. You might as well replace a Stradivari with a Yamaha and still have a jolly good time.

 

[CnoEvil]

You could try something from Atlas, TQ Blue or Linn K20.

 

[gasolin]

Might try this cable (dansih review)

https://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?act=url&depth=1&hl=da&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&rurl=translate.google.dk&sl=da&tl=en&u=http://www.hifi4all.dk/content/templates/anmeldelser.asp%3Farticleid%3D3038%26zoneid%3D3&usg=ALkJrhhEaKd5wGU_qcIUUW_0SfRtKbkseQ

Love this Conclusion (might be the right cable for me): If you have a set of speakers that can tolerate an extra shot in the bass, and maybe a bit tough at the top, then talk 3 is a great choice if you also want to keep all facets of the music.

I can get it for 3.6£, in denmark it costs about 5.9£

 

[gasolin]

read som comments and reviews of supra ply 3.4 (not s just the cheapest ply 3.4) bought 2x4 meter and to my surprise it has a more full bodied,varm sound and the top is very soft, not at all as bright as the supra classic 2.5

Now i don't feel like turning the treble a bit down and the bass a bit up (one of the enhancment like better more neutral top would help achieve a more neutral or warm sound, the better bass also helps to get a more warm neutral sound, now i can turn the wolume up with out noticing a bright thin sound)