Hi there, can anyone tell me if i should buy a ECCOSSE EOSE MK2 main's cable which retail's at around £120 per metre for my PIONEER SC-LX82 receiver my PDP-LX5090 plasma tv and my BDP-LX52 blue ray player rather than the more cheaper CLEARER AUDO power cable at £95 or a RUSS ANDREW'S CLASSIC or REFERENCE main's cable's also at around £120. The reason why i ask the above question is that i can buy the ECCOSSE EOS for half of the rrp price around £65 per metre instead of the usual £120 per metre, so should i go for this cable or any other. I am also aware that it has a 5 star rating from WHF but it also stae's that it need's to be used with expensive equipment other wise you will not hear much improvement or diffirence in a cheap budget system so therefore is my system expensive enough. The other thing that seem's a bit odd is that unlike the CLEARER AUDIO powe cable and the RA REFERENCE cable's which use the clear plastic WATTGATE IEC's which are of very high quality and are highly recommended to be used in decent main's cable but the ECCOSSE does not use the WATTGATE type IEC but instead a cheap all plastic IEC, surely this will degrade the quality of the cable and the resulting mains current flowing through it and thus also the connection. Please can someone give me a some clear advice because i am totally confused. Thank's
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To be honest I wouldn't buy any of them without trying them first. Who knows what difference the wattgate plug makes, maybe it's an important element, maybe it just looks funky. Maybe the different cables have different properties / features that will work for you and you're equipment. So my advice, get some on loan and give them a try. Alternatively spend the money on music / beer / wine / women etc.
Some very expensive mains cables (Black Rhodium for example) dont use wattgates, but are still very good at what they do
Dont waste your money, stick with supplied mains cable that came with the unit.
A mains cable with so called magic audio properties will make absolutley no difference to the sound, how can it.
Provided it is of sufficient thicknes to carry the current then it will do the Job.
dont be fooled by these magic cable suppliers that claim there cables can transform
the sound of your hifi, utter nonsense, a mains cable is will not do this and never will.
Cheers
A mains cable with so called magic audio properties will make absolutley no difference to the sound, how can it.
Provided it is of sufficient thicknes to carry the current then it will do the Job.
dont be fooled by these magic cable suppliers that claim there cables can transform
the sound of your hifi, utter nonsense, a mains cable is will not do this and never will.
Cheers
heathpw:
Dont waste your money, stick with supplied mains cable that came with the unit.
A mains cable with so called magic audio properties will make absolutley no difference to the sound, how can it.
Provided it is of sufficient thicknes to carry the current then it will do the Job.
dont be fooled by these magic cable suppliers that claim there cables can transform
the sound of your hifi, utter nonsense, a mains cable is will not do this and never will.
Cheers
And yet KRELL have even made a mains cable
Dont waste your money, stick with supplied mains cable that came with the unit.
A mains cable with so called magic audio properties will make absolutley no difference to the sound, how can it.
Provided it is of sufficient thicknes to carry the current then it will do the Job.
dont be fooled by these magic cable suppliers that claim there cables can transform
the sound of your hifi, utter nonsense, a mains cable is will not do this and never will.
Cheers
And yet KRELL have even made a mains cable
That says it all then, Krell sell over priced hifi equipment with a very average at best performance and now have moved into
over priced cables too then. If you want a good example of a company that produces hifi products with truly oustanding performance then look at Byrston, their amps out perform anything that krell has in just about every respect.
Cheers
over priced cables too then. If you want a good example of a company that produces hifi products with truly oustanding performance then look at Byrston, their amps out perform anything that krell has in just about every respect.
Cheers
idc
Well-known member
Hifi ** made up four power cables to look the same and sent them out to forum members. None could reliably pick out the audiophile from the kettle cable. Actually two of the cables were the same kettle cable and people reported hearing a difference between them.
What Hifi did a Big Question blind test where forum members thought kit was being changed about. But instead it was the cables and they reported the biggest difference with mains conditioning.
Rather than power cables, I would go with mains conditioning.
What Hifi did a Big Question blind test where forum members thought kit was being changed about. But instead it was the cables and they reported the biggest difference with mains conditioning.
Rather than power cables, I would go with mains conditioning.
heathpw:
That says it all then, Krell sell over priced hifi equipment with a very average at best performance and now have moved into
over priced cables too then. If you want a good example of a company that produces hifi products with truly oustanding performance then look at Byrston, their amps out perform anything that krell has in just about every respect.
Cheers
I suppose NAIM are ripping people off too then?
That says it all then, Krell sell over priced hifi equipment with a very average at best performance and now have moved into
over priced cables too then. If you want a good example of a company that produces hifi products with truly oustanding performance then look at Byrston, their amps out perform anything that krell has in just about every respect.
Cheers
I suppose NAIM are ripping people off too then?
I can not download the manual for any of the amplifiers because none of the links on the site work, i did have a look a couple
of CD player spec which are simply lacking in any detail,a distortion value is given of <0.1 10Hz -18kHz at full level which is poor at best, I dont know what SNR performance is because it is not given. The manuals are also lacking the usual detailed specification for any of the products which is a telling sign that they are probably not very good for a such a high end product.
So I would hazard a guess and say that Naim products are designed poorly and as a result perform poorly unless you can prove me
wrong and produced full specifications for one of their power amplifier or Cd players say.
of CD player spec which are simply lacking in any detail,a distortion value is given of <0.1 10Hz -18kHz at full level which is poor at best, I dont know what SNR performance is because it is not given. The manuals are also lacking the usual detailed specification for any of the products which is a telling sign that they are probably not very good for a such a high end product.
So I would hazard a guess and say that Naim products are designed poorly and as a result perform poorly unless you can prove me
wrong and produced full specifications for one of their power amplifier or Cd players say.
heathpw:That says it all then, Krell sell over priced hifi equipment with a very average at best performance and now have moved into
over priced cables too then.
Miles off-topic, heathpw.
over priced cables too then.
Miles off-topic, heathpw.
heathpw:I can not download the manual for any of the amplifiers because none of the links on the site work, i did have a look a couple
of CD player spec which are simply lacking in any detail,a distortion value is given of <0.1 10Hz -18kHz at full level which is poor at best, I dont know what SNR performance is because it is not given. The manuals are also lacking the usual detailed specification for any of the products which is a telling sign that they are probably not very good for a such a high end product.
So I would hazard a guess and say that Naim products are designed poorly and as a result perform poorly unless you can prove me
wrong and produced full specifications for one of their power amplifier or Cd players say.
So based on manuals you can't download you're hazarding a prejudice? And going even further off-topic into the bargain...
of CD player spec which are simply lacking in any detail,a distortion value is given of <0.1 10Hz -18kHz at full level which is poor at best, I dont know what SNR performance is because it is not given. The manuals are also lacking the usual detailed specification for any of the products which is a telling sign that they are probably not very good for a such a high end product.
So I would hazard a guess and say that Naim products are designed poorly and as a result perform poorly unless you can prove me
wrong and produced full specifications for one of their power amplifier or Cd players say.
So based on manuals you can't download you're hazarding a prejudice? And going even further off-topic into the bargain...
heathpw:
I can not download the manual for any of the amplifiers because none of the links on the site work, i did have a look a couple
of CD player spec which are simply lacking in any detail,a distortion value is given of <0.1 10Hz -18kHz at full level which is poor at best, I dont know what SNR performance is because it is not given. The manuals are also lacking the usual detailed specification for any of the products which is a telling sign that they are probably not very good for a such a high end product.
So I would hazard a guess and say that Naim products are designed poorly and as a result perform poorly unless you can prove me
wrong and produced full specifications for one of their power amplifier or Cd players say.
haha
Your quality pal
I can not download the manual for any of the amplifiers because none of the links on the site work, i did have a look a couple
of CD player spec which are simply lacking in any detail,a distortion value is given of <0.1 10Hz -18kHz at full level which is poor at best, I dont know what SNR performance is because it is not given. The manuals are also lacking the usual detailed specification for any of the products which is a telling sign that they are probably not very good for a such a high end product.
So I would hazard a guess and say that Naim products are designed poorly and as a result perform poorly unless you can prove me
wrong and produced full specifications for one of their power amplifier or Cd players say.
haha
Your quality pal
I use something called technical specifications which is based on scientific and engineering testing of the product to come to hazard my guess about there products, you may have heard of it.
For the majority of Naims products the lack of detailed specifications.
But you are right it is off topic so I will leave it there.
For the majority of Naims products the lack of detailed specifications.
But you are right it is off topic so I will leave it there.
heathpw:I use something called technical specifications which is based on scientific and engineering testing of the product to come to hazard my guess about there products, you may have heard of it.
For the majority of Naims products the lack of detailed specifications.
But you are right it is off topic so I will leave it there.
I don't think I even understand that post.
For the majority of Naims products the lack of detailed specifications.
But you are right it is off topic so I will leave it there.
I don't think I even understand that post.
heathpw:
I use something called technical specifications which is based on scientific and engineering testing of the product to come to hazard my guess about there products,
Ahhh
Well for your information, Ben Duncan made a very good scientific test of Russ Andrews mains cables which not only 'measureably' proved they reduced RFI from the mains supply, but they also 'measureably' affect amplifiers at the output end as the noise floor is lowered by reducing the RFI that enters the amplifier
I use something called technical specifications which is based on scientific and engineering testing of the product to come to hazard my guess about there products,
Ahhh
Well for your information, Ben Duncan made a very good scientific test of Russ Andrews mains cables which not only 'measureably' proved they reduced RFI from the mains supply, but they also 'measureably' affect amplifiers at the output end as the noise floor is lowered by reducing the RFI that enters the amplifier
Ok try this then, Naim do not publish detailed technical specifications about there products.
And what little they do publish inidcates that there products perform poorly.
And what little they do publish inidcates that there products perform poorly.
Listening, however, 'inidcates' otherwise - at least to many ears.
And why would any manufacturer publish specifications it thought showed its products in a bad light?
And why would any manufacturer publish specifications it thought showed its products in a bad light?
Please excuse the phsycology preamble here (I do answer the OP later), but I've finally bitten and have signed up specifically to respond to this thread .
I have to say it's amazing how, as humans, we have the capacity to form opinions on matters we have no direct experience with. I'm as guilty as the next person when it comes to this and often laugh at myself when I catch myself doing it. Many of us go through our entire lives defending our position on things and lack flexibity to adopt new ways of thinking (we hate being wrong) and expend inordinate amounts of energy doing it (as I am now). When asking for advice on this type of thing (subjective experience), I only give credibility to anyone who has had first hand experience with something, othewise it merely an opinion based on information passed on from others. Despite our entire existence being completely personalised and subjective, if we want to try to be truely objective surely the fist step should be to experience something for oneself.
I don't think collectively that we've moved on very much form the start of the century where we considered that there wasn't much more to discover; we believe that science today has all the answers.
Anyway, back to the original question. I would highly recommend Missing Link mains cables (any chance of getting these reviewed?) which can be supplied on a home trial basis.
I have to say it's amazing how, as humans, we have the capacity to form opinions on matters we have no direct experience with. I'm as guilty as the next person when it comes to this and often laugh at myself when I catch myself doing it. Many of us go through our entire lives defending our position on things and lack flexibity to adopt new ways of thinking (we hate being wrong) and expend inordinate amounts of energy doing it (as I am now). When asking for advice on this type of thing (subjective experience), I only give credibility to anyone who has had first hand experience with something, othewise it merely an opinion based on information passed on from others. Despite our entire existence being completely personalised and subjective, if we want to try to be truely objective surely the fist step should be to experience something for oneself.
I don't think collectively that we've moved on very much form the start of the century where we considered that there wasn't much more to discover; we believe that science today has all the answers.
Anyway, back to the original question. I would highly recommend Missing Link mains cables (any chance of getting these reviewed?) which can be supplied on a home trial basis.
heathpw:
Ok try this then, Naim do not publish detailed technical specifications about there products.
And what little they do publish inidcates that there products perform poorly.
You must think im bothered somehow
haha
Wake up pal. I couldnt care less. I dont even have any Naim equipment for starters
You on the other hand have told me everything I need to know about you in a few short posts.
WELL DONE sir
Ok try this then, Naim do not publish detailed technical specifications about there products.
And what little they do publish inidcates that there products perform poorly.
You must think im bothered somehow
haha
Wake up pal. I couldnt care less. I dont even have any Naim equipment for starters
You on the other hand have told me everything I need to know about you in a few short posts.
WELL DONE sir
ericleroi:
Anyway, back to the original question. I would highly recommend Missing Link mains cables (any chance of getting these reviewed?) which can be supplied on a home trial basis.
Cant say as ive tried them, but im not impressed that they use ferrites
Ive tried braided cables on high power amps (500 watts per channel) and found them to be the best to use with no discernable negative effects. In fact they work very well allowing the amp to work better with gains in detail as well as high and low frequencies. Not so when testing mains cables with ferrites attached (That said, as I havnt tested one of the missing link ones, I wouldnt say for certain)
Anyway, back to the original question. I would highly recommend Missing Link mains cables (any chance of getting these reviewed?) which can be supplied on a home trial basis.
Cant say as ive tried them, but im not impressed that they use ferrites
Ive tried braided cables on high power amps (500 watts per channel) and found them to be the best to use with no discernable negative effects. In fact they work very well allowing the amp to work better with gains in detail as well as high and low frequencies. Not so when testing mains cables with ferrites attached (That said, as I havnt tested one of the missing link ones, I wouldnt say for certain)
I have definitely got your number too. I am wide awake and not scientifically clueless unlike some.
heathpw:I have definitely got your number too. I am wide awake and not scientifically clueless unlike some.
Gosh
Id best..................watch my back then
Gosh
Id best..................watch my back then
chebby
Well-known member
heathpw:I can not download the manual for any of the amplifiers because none of the links on the site work...
They do. I just checked and successfully downloaded it...
Naim Amplifier Manual. English
heathpw:The manuals are also lacking the usual detailed specification for any of the products
How can you tell what the manuals are lacking if... "none of the links on the site work" ?
heathpw:...which is a telling sign that they are probably not very good for a such a high end product.
A lack of evidence is not evidence of something lacking.
heathpw:So I would hazard a guess and say that Naim products are designed poorly and as a result perform poorly unless you can prove me wrong
(a) No. You accuse someone or something of doing something wrong, then it is your responsibility to prove it.
(b) No. Too busy enjoying it to try and poke around for 'problems' that aren't actually there.
(c) Scientists don't 'hazard a guess' and then leave it to someone else to do the work! They construct a hypothesis to explain an observable phenomena then devise experiments that will provide evidence - to support (or disprove) their theory - that can be replicated by others to get the same results.
They do. I just checked and successfully downloaded it...
Naim Amplifier Manual. English
heathpw:The manuals are also lacking the usual detailed specification for any of the products
How can you tell what the manuals are lacking if... "none of the links on the site work" ?
heathpw:...which is a telling sign that they are probably not very good for a such a high end product.
A lack of evidence is not evidence of something lacking.
heathpw:So I would hazard a guess and say that Naim products are designed poorly and as a result perform poorly unless you can prove me wrong
(a) No. You accuse someone or something of doing something wrong, then it is your responsibility to prove it.
(b) No. Too busy enjoying it to try and poke around for 'problems' that aren't actually there.
(c) Scientists don't 'hazard a guess' and then leave it to someone else to do the work! They construct a hypothesis to explain an observable phenomena then devise experiments that will provide evidence - to support (or disprove) their theory - that can be replicated by others to get the same results.
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