Hi there, can anyone please let me know which company's mains power lead's work best with PIONEER component's e.g. Clearer audio, Russ Andrew's, Ecosse etc. I am thinking of either going for the cheaper Clearer audio copper line alpha range but then again my av system cost's over £7000 so therefore should i be ideally going for more expensive main's lead's like the Russ Andrew's Reference range. Also has anyone tried the Mark Grant's mains leads that are going for around £50 per meter on ebay, the reason why i mention this is that someone told me that they are very, very good quality lead's and give you similar result's as the more expensive Russ Andrews Reference range, is this true or not and lastly i went into AUDIO-T in Reading, Berkshire and one of the guy's said that i will be wasting my money because as far as he is concerned mains leads cheap or expensive will make no audible or visual diffirence to a receiver, blue ray player, plasma etc but they should only be used with high quality hi-fi gear e.g amp, cd player etc. Is this true or not. Sorry about going on and on but i am totally confused and need to be shown the right direction. PS I have a PIONEER SC-LC82 AV Receiver, PIONEER PDP-LX52 BD Player, PIONEER KURO PDP-LX6090 Plasma tv and MONITOR AUDIO BR5 5.1 speaker's.Thank's
Which mains power lead?
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Dave_
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Don't waste your money, if you feel you have a mains problem, then get a Tacima mains block and plug all you gear into that.
Anything else is just a confidence trick to part the gullible from their dosh.
Anything else is just a confidence trick to part the gullible from their dosh.
chudleighpaul:
...get a Tacima mains block and plug all you gear into that...
Again, try it and see... current tacima thread
Did I mention "can of worms"?
...get a Tacima mains block and plug all you gear into that...
Again, try it and see... current tacima thread
Did I mention "can of worms"?
chudleighpaul:
Those who start mains cable threads usually regret doing so!
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Those who start mains cable threads usually regret doing so!
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margetti:chudleighpaul:
Those who start mains cable threads usually regret doing so!
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Those who start mains cable threads usually regret doing so!
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MUSICRAFT
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Hi DR KAY
At the moment i'll suggest for the optimum performance of all your components you should use the standard mains cables supplied.
FWIW, i have here Chord Electronics DSP8000, Pioneer Kuro screen and Yamaha's BD-S1900 all connected using their standard mains cables supplied. These mains cables in turn are all plugged into the same Wilkinsons Stores 4 way extension block.
All the best
Rick @ Musicraft
At the moment i'll suggest for the optimum performance of all your components you should use the standard mains cables supplied.
FWIW, i have here Chord Electronics DSP8000, Pioneer Kuro screen and Yamaha's BD-S1900 all connected using their standard mains cables supplied. These mains cables in turn are all plugged into the same Wilkinsons Stores 4 way extension block.
All the best
Rick @ Musicraft
MUSICRAFT: FWIW, i have here Chord Electronics DSP8000, Pioneer Kuro screen and Yamaha's BD-S1900 all connected using their standard mains cables supplied. These mains cables in turn are all plugged into the same Wilkinsons Stores 4 way extension block.
Be interesting to see and hear what that kit could really do Rick if you had some decent mains cables!
Be interesting to see and hear what that kit could really do Rick if you had some decent mains cables!
MUSICRAFT
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wireman:MUSICRAFT: FWIW, i have here Chord Electronics DSP8000, Pioneer Kuro screen and Yamaha's BD-S1900 all connected using their standard mains cables supplied. These mains cables in turn are all plugged into the same Wilkinsons Stores 4 way extension block.
Be interesting to see and hear what that kit could really do Rick if you had some decent mains cables!
Hi wireman
I am already using decent mains cables!
All the best
Rick @ Musicraft
Be interesting to see and hear what that kit could really do Rick if you had some decent mains cables!
Hi wireman
I am already using decent mains cables!
All the best
Rick @ Musicraft
MUSICRAFT: I am already using decent mains cables!
Wilkinsons will be pleased to learn they're the Specialist Mains Accessory supplier to Derby's leading Specialist Hi-Fi/AV Dealer!
Wilkinsons will be pleased to learn they're the Specialist Mains Accessory supplier to Derby's leading Specialist Hi-Fi/AV Dealer!
MUSICRAFT
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wireman:MUSICRAFT: I am already using decent mains cables!
Wilkinsons will be pleased to learn they're the Specialist Mains Accessory supplier to Derby's leading Specialist Hi-Fi/AV Dealer!
Hi wireman
Wilkinsons Stores mains extension blocks are technically simple and in practice superb. The simpler the better. Credit where its due.
All the best
Rick @ Musicraft
Wilkinsons will be pleased to learn they're the Specialist Mains Accessory supplier to Derby's leading Specialist Hi-Fi/AV Dealer!
Hi wireman
Wilkinsons Stores mains extension blocks are technically simple and in practice superb. The simpler the better. Credit where its due.
All the best
Rick @ Musicraft
MUSICRAFT: Wilkinsons Stores mains extension blocks are technically simple and in practice superb. The simpler the better. Credit where its due.
Okay, ribbing aside: I wouldn't knock your "keep it simple" approach Rick, it's just that those particular extension leads are just a tad too cheesy for my liking - the contacts are soft and given a bit of use, prone to arcing under heavy load. CPC do similar "mass import" ones for about £1.40 for a four-gang, but they also do some pretty respectable ones with better construction and higher contact pressure for just £10 or so. But I guess if it works okay for you... Personally, everything in my hi-fi is welded directly into the mains; it doesn't get any simpler than that!
Okay, ribbing aside: I wouldn't knock your "keep it simple" approach Rick, it's just that those particular extension leads are just a tad too cheesy for my liking - the contacts are soft and given a bit of use, prone to arcing under heavy load. CPC do similar "mass import" ones for about £1.40 for a four-gang, but they also do some pretty respectable ones with better construction and higher contact pressure for just £10 or so. But I guess if it works okay for you... Personally, everything in my hi-fi is welded directly into the mains; it doesn't get any simpler than that!
Welded to the mains? Does that mean when you rewired the room where the hifi is and left enough sticking out of the wall to be soldered directly to the sockets on your equipment or where they in turn are connected to the power supply board? Or do you mean that you cut off the plugs and soldered the wires onto the mains wires using some sort of connection on the wall?
Could you post a picture? It sounds interesting.
Could you post a picture? It sounds interesting.
Frank Harvey
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wireman:Personally, everything in my hi-fi is welded directly into the mains; it doesn't get any simpler than that!
Now you're talking!
Now you're talking!
f1only
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Why not do a try before you buy from a local stockist. Surely if they are a reputable dealer they should let you have a loan of one with a view to purchasing. Then at least that way you can see for youself if it makes a difference, if i does buy one, if not dont purchase one end of story.
Grottyash:
Welded to the mains? Does that mean when you rewired the room where the hifi is and left enough sticking out of the wall to be soldered directly to the sockets on your equipment or where they in turn are connected to the power supply board? Or do you mean that you cut off the plugs and soldered the wires onto the mains wires using some sort of connection on the wall?
Could you post a picture? It sounds interesting.
As an electrician, I ran two separate 70-amp supplies direct from the service head (where the power comes into the building) directly into the living room. One supplies the source components (in one corner of the room), the other the power amplifiers (a different corner of the room).
On the wall in each location, I have a small MK consumer unit (like your main fuse box), and each item of equipment is wired directly into its own circuit breaker (MCB). As an MCB is 'quieter' than a fuse, and operates more quickly than a fuse in the event of any trouble, all the equipment plugs and plug fuses, and even the secondary fuses within the equipment itself are removed.
This school of thought is that fewer electrical connections/contacts and fewer fuses result in a lower noise floor, and what connections there are are solid and reliable, and not dependant on pressure contacts as plugs/sockets/ an extension block would be (which oxidise and present increased impedance over time). Does that make sense?
My AV on the other hand is running off the standard ring-main, and I've modified the PureAV PF30 slightly to provide two high-current sockets for both amp and subwoofer (also removing some of the RF filtering just on those circuits) and added a Quantum QRT module. At this stage in my life, I can't be bothered adding another similar separate supply just for it, and the PF30 works remarkably well IMHO.
Sorry to the OP for hijacking your thread: For what it's worth, I use Russ Andrews Reference mains cables in my AV system from the PF30 to the equipment. The woven construction helps further reduce RF.
Welded to the mains? Does that mean when you rewired the room where the hifi is and left enough sticking out of the wall to be soldered directly to the sockets on your equipment or where they in turn are connected to the power supply board? Or do you mean that you cut off the plugs and soldered the wires onto the mains wires using some sort of connection on the wall?
Could you post a picture? It sounds interesting.
As an electrician, I ran two separate 70-amp supplies direct from the service head (where the power comes into the building) directly into the living room. One supplies the source components (in one corner of the room), the other the power amplifiers (a different corner of the room).
On the wall in each location, I have a small MK consumer unit (like your main fuse box), and each item of equipment is wired directly into its own circuit breaker (MCB). As an MCB is 'quieter' than a fuse, and operates more quickly than a fuse in the event of any trouble, all the equipment plugs and plug fuses, and even the secondary fuses within the equipment itself are removed.
This school of thought is that fewer electrical connections/contacts and fewer fuses result in a lower noise floor, and what connections there are are solid and reliable, and not dependant on pressure contacts as plugs/sockets/ an extension block would be (which oxidise and present increased impedance over time). Does that make sense?
My AV on the other hand is running off the standard ring-main, and I've modified the PureAV PF30 slightly to provide two high-current sockets for both amp and subwoofer (also removing some of the RF filtering just on those circuits) and added a Quantum QRT module. At this stage in my life, I can't be bothered adding another similar separate supply just for it, and the PF30 works remarkably well IMHO.
Sorry to the OP for hijacking your thread: For what it's worth, I use Russ Andrews Reference mains cables in my AV system from the PF30 to the equipment. The woven construction helps further reduce RF.
Hi wireman, thanks for your reply. We don't have ring mains here but run spurs from the consumer units, which is how I've done mine with a spur just for the HiFi. Our plugs are standard European type without fuses and with different metal for the prongs.
Unfortunately I don't think you'd be allowed to wire things in the way you have here.
Unfortunately I don't think you'd be allowed to wire things in the way you have here.
Grottyash - If you follow the 'keeping it simple' approach, having that separate spur/radial circuit (or ring depending upon your own beliefs) is half the battle in terms of lowering noise.
Thanks for the encouraging words! Out of curiosity, what metal so they use for the Schuko plugs as opposed to the ones in the UK? The ones in the UK look like brass, if memory serves, but the ones here look more like some silver or platinum compound. They never seem to discolour either, as opposed to the UK ones.
Plug metals vary, often poor grade, and they're often plated over anyway. Each metal has its own conductivity properties. If you can't (safely) dispense with plugs and sockets altogether, the trick is to keep all metal contacts clean and tight whatever the metal.
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