WHF review , lack of transparency? Aye

[Craig M.]

Can somebody direct me to and show me the specs that show my Cyrus mono's and Spendor A9's are thin and bright?

Why? Are they?

 

[char_lotte]

Look at the specs and tell me....

 

[WinterRacer]

Can somebody direct me to and show me the specs that show my Cyrus mono's and Spendor A9's are thin and bright?

Why? Are they?

Don't bother trying to help, it wasn't a serious question.

 

[Craig M.]

Can somebody direct me to and show me the specs that show my Cyrus mono's and Spendor A9's are thin and bright?

Why? Are they?

Don't bother trying to help, it wasn't a serious question.

Oh, I see. I should've realised.

 

[char_lotte]

It is a serious question. Many people talk about Cyrus being bright and some talk of my dreaded passive speakers distorting. So.....according to the brief look at the Ethan Winer info my lot fits the bill.

But if it doesn't can I be shown why?

 

[WinterRacer]

It is a serious question. Many people talk about Cyrus being bright and some talk of my dreaded passive speakers distorting. So.....according to the brief look at the Ethan Winer info my lot fits the bill.

But if it doesn't can I be shown why?

I don't believe any specs suggest your Cyrus amp should be bright and I don't find Cyrus bright. As for your speakers distorting, well of course they do, but who suggested they were 'thin' apart from you?

 

[shadders]

It is a serious question. Many people talk about Cyrus being bright and some talk of my dreaded passive speakers distorting. So.....according to the brief look at the Ethan Winer info my lot fits the bill.

But if it doesn't can I be shown why?

Hi,

I cannot find the Cyrus Mono specifications for the Damping factor, but the general specifications state that the current capability is high (80A) suggesting low output impedance. The Spendor A9 speakers rise from 7ohms to 15ohms in the 3kHz to 20kHz region, and peak at 11ohms at 2kHz - hence they may sound bright due to this steady rise to 20kHz or the peak at 2kHz.

At 1kHz it is about 7ohms so the increase at 2kHz (11ohms) is significant.

Regards,

Shadders.

 

[char_lotte]

It is a serious question. Many people talk about Cyrus being bright and some talk of my dreaded passive speakers distorting. So.....according to the brief look at the Ethan Winer info my lot fits the bill.

But if it doesn't can I be shown why?

Hi,

I cannot find the Cyrus Mono specifications for the Damping factor, but the general specifications state that the current capability is high (80A) suggesting low output impedance. The Spendor A9 speakers rise from 7ohms to 15ohms in the 3kHz to 20kHz region, and peak at 11ohms at 2kHz - hence they may sound bright due to this steady rise to 20kHz or the peak at 2kHz.

At 1kHz it is about 7ohms so the increase at 2kHz (11ohms) is significant.

Regards,

Shadders.

Thank you Shadders. Against my better judgement I am interested in this.

 

[spiny norman]

All this active-aggressive behaviour is getting very tiresome

 

[the record spot]

All this active-aggressive behaviour is getting very tiresome

Uh-huh...chances of a thread appearing without somebody getting theirs in a bunch of distortion, harmonics, passives, well, it's just like AVI's forum with a red and white banner over it!

 

[spiny norman]

Uh-huh...chances of a thread appearing without somebody getting theirs in a bunch of distortion, harmonics, passives, well, it's just like AVI's forum with a red and white banner over it!

It'd be a bit sad if there wasn't a sense of a muddle-headed villain stroking a white cat (or at least a vintage Rolls-Royce manual) behind it. No actually scrub that, it's still sad that anyone feels the need to constantly attack those they feel threaten them rather than simply extolling the vertues of their own products and leaving it at that.

And as for the drones, don't get me started!

 

[Frank Harvey]

I was going to post up that while everyone has been arguing about a subject that no one will agree about or compromise on (familiar?), I've been watching movies and listening to music. It's much better for your health

But I'm erring toward the previous post

 

[Covenanter]

All this active-aggressive behaviour is getting very tiresome

I agree! Can't we conclude that the use of words like "transparency", "timing", "insight", etc are just meaningless claptrap perpetuated by an industry that is only interested in making money out of us?

Chris

 

[CnoEvil]

All this active-aggressive behaviour is getting very tiresome

I agree! Can't we conclude that the use of words like "transparency", "timing", "insight", etc are just meaningless claptrap perpetuated by an industry that is only interested in making money out of us?

Chris

Let's just do away with the adjectives in reviews altogether, and say "This is a XXXXX and it costs £xxxx; now make up your own mind!" :twisted:

 

[Covenanter]

All this active-aggressive behaviour is getting very tiresome

I agree! Can't we conclude that the use of words like "transparency", "timing", "insight", etc are just meaningless claptrap perpetuated by an industry that is only interested in making money out of us?

Chris

Let's just do away with the adjectives in reviews altogether, and say "This is a XXXXX and it costs £xxxx; now make up your own mind!" :twisted:

My point is that if we don't know what the terms mean and the motives of the reviewers are suspect anyway aren't they really just doing what you suggest anyway?

Chris

 

[Frank Harvey]

I've used the words 'insight' and 'transparent' to describe speakers before, and I'll do it again I tell ya!!

Where it is warranted, of course.

 

[Covenanter]

I've used the words 'insight' and 'transparent' to describe speakers before, and I'll do it again I tell ya!!

Where it is warranted, of course.

And of course you are not trying to sell any kit!

Chris

 

[CnoEvil]

My point is that if we don't know what the terms mean and the motives of the reviewers are suspect anyway aren't they really just doing what you suggest anyway?

Chris

My remark was very light hearted (and facetious), and gently taking the Michael.

If you are confused, you can always come on here..................and that will make you even more confused (but only after the requisite agument)! :shifty:

 

[The_Lhc]

and the motives of the reviewers are suspect anyway

I see this thread isn't getting any more intelligent then...

 

[steve_1979]

Indeed I think the whole "timing" thing is nonsense. Timing of individual instruments on a recording cannot be affected.

An amp that can't properly control the bass driver on a speaker, turns the whole bassline and drums to a sort of muddled mush...thus effecting the timing (IMO).

I think that you're both right.

The word 'timing' is a bit missplaced though (IMO). When taken in a literal sense the actual timing of the music doesn't change. For example the beats in a song don't occur any more or less often on hifi equipment that has bad 'timing'.

However as Cno points out a badly controlled bass driver can overhang which sounds boomy and ill defined. From an subjective point of view when you hear badly controlled boomy bass notes they do seem to sound slower than well controlled bass notes. Even though the badly controlled boomy bass notes don't occur any more or less often, each note does last a bit longer which (I guess) is why they seem to sound slower when we hear them.

I hope that I explained that right in a way that makes sense.

 

[Frank Harvey]

I've used the words 'insight' and 'transparent' to describe speakers before, and I'll do it again I tell ya!!

Where it is warranted, of course.

And of course you are not trying to sell any kit!

Chris

Do you see me forcing anything upon anyone? I merely advise - the rest is up to those who ask the question.