What is the best speakers my needs, dali,kef,rega,or wharfedale

[RTHerringbone]

I'd just demo every Dali within budget. The Menuet SE seems a good fit in terms of budget and dimensions and is well reviewed. They're €1,500 here but presumably cheaper in Denmark.

Support the local economy, get a discount compared to other countries, get a highly regarded speaker and increase your chance of demoing them. There's nothing to lose.

 

[gasolin]

I wrote menuet not menuet se

Just a little under 1100 euros (not at alla as cheap as i uk but still okay)

se is around 1750 euros

Im not shure se is worth the higher price

 

[nopiano]

Doubt WiiM amp has much current out does it? Any figures available?

Yes, here…https://www.hifinews.com/content/wiim-amp-lab-report

10 amps, which is plenty for most use cases. (The ultra version is essentially the same with a feedback circuit to manage damping at HF.)

 

[gasolin]

Wiim amp half price (and size, no actually less) of big receivers with room correction, only cons not enough inputs

Im also do to size,price interested in Dynaudio evoke 10 and Energy acoustic 300 mk2. Mabye MA bronze 50 g7 is not in the same league as dynaudio and Energy Acoustic i think those speakers are in the same league and is where it sonically starts to get fun

MA silver 50 G7 is actually just about as expensive as the Energy Acoustics 300mk 2

 

[gasolin]

Dynaudio evoke 10, Acoustic Energy 300 mk2, Monitor audio bronze 7g or silver 50 7g i am interested in atm

 

[matthewpianist]

The other speakers I have, which are a very valid alternative to the Dynaudios, are the PSB Imagine B50. I've got them playing right now as I eat my lunch, and they're extremely cohesive. The bass is warmer than on the Dynaudios, and the treble a little brighter (though not excessively so), but it's in the midrange where they weave their special magic. Worth a listen if you can.

 

[gasolin]

PSB Imagine B50 is not possible to listen to

Happen to stumble upon this a with this recommendations (same as MA for the ae 300 mk2) https://speakerdecision.com/compare/Dynaudio-Evoke-10-vs-Monitor-Audio-Silver-50-7G

Any comments to the near-field ?

 

[matthewpianist]

I think you are on the path to eternal dissatisfaction here. There are so many variables beyond room size, and you're potentially going to end up on the endless speaker-swapping roundabout. I've been there, and it's fun... for a while, until it's not... until it breaks you.

 

[gasolin]

Have a conversation with one of the 2 stores where i was trying to get a good price on a pair of evoke 10, he told me my amp isn't up to the task for a pair of evoke 10 and nearfield as they are gonna be used is not optimal for evoke 10

Than i remembered some saying many years ago (could have been here, i remember i was saying i once had a marantz pm8005 + budget mission lx 2's ) that a very good amp + budget speakers (but still good, diamond 12's, dali oberons,dali kupid, ma bronze, dynaudio emit, speakers like that) + a high tier amp (cambridge audio cxa 81, rega elex, rotel ra 1572 and other similar amps) would sound better than higher tier speakers like dynaudio evoke 10 and kef r3meta with a good but modest priced amp like my wiim amp pro and wondered if i should get an better amp with room correction (no the lyngdorf TDAI 1120 is to expensive they are 2000 euros)

Because something always being the weak link in any system

Better speakers the amp would be the weakest link by a bigger margin than if i change my amp

Scaling (my system) i think is better with a higher tier amp than higher tier speakers

Bigger sound, improvements in the bass (60/120 watt is fine)

 

[RTHerringbone]

You should just be able to use the WiiM as a streaming transport for any other amp and still apply the Room Correction EQ changes to whatever amp the WiiM is attached to.

 

[gasolin]

not my wiim amp pro

 

[RTHerringbone]

What? You can't use it as a transport or you can't use it to room correct another amp? Because it can do both.

 

[Fandango Andy]

Have a conversation with one of the 2 stores where i was trying to get a good price on a pair of evoke 10, he told me my amp isn't up to the task for a pair of evoke 10 and nearfield as they are gonna be used is not optimal for evoke 10

Than i remembered some saying many years ago (could have been here, i remember i was saying i once had a marantz pm8005 + budget mission lx 2's ) that a very good amp + budget speakers (but still good, diamond 12's, dali oberons,dali kupid, ma bronze, dynaudio emit, speakers like that) + a high tier amp (cambridge audio cxa 81, rega elex, rotel ra 1572 and other similar amps) would sound better than higher tier speakers like dynaudio evoke 10 and kef r3meta with a good but modest priced amp like my wiim amp pro and wondered if i should get an better amp with room correction (no the lyngdorf TDAI 1120 is to expensive they are 2000 euros)

Because something always being the weak link in any system

Better speakers the amp would be the weakest link by a bigger margin than if i change my amp

Scaling (my system) i think is better with a higher tier amp than higher tier speakers

Bigger sound, improvements in the bass (60/120 watt is fine)

I wouldn't read too much into your Marantz/Mission experience, Mission speakers often punch well above their price bracket. 700, 701, 702, and 703 from the 90's/2000's will still compete with modern speakers at a much higher price.

However, you are correct, you do need to find a balance between components. I know from past comments you are very protective of your amp, and it is a great amp, but that doesn't make it something its not! Going back to a previous comment on a different thread where I suggested the Marantz PM6007 is the best budget amp at the moment. One of the reasons you suggested the WiiM was better was its features such ase streaming and room correction. At £500 it costs about the same as a Bluesound Node with Dirac and like the WiiM is Roon Ready. So in effect, your are getting a streamer, a DAC, and room correction with an amp thrown in for free. The Marantz was also that price at launch, but is now cheaper as its getting long in the tooth and is probably going to be phased out. The WiiM is not an amp, its a one box hifi solution.

As long as you keep swapping and changing components in a similar price bracket you are likely to continually find limitations in one element or another. Unless I have missed it, I haven't seen an explanation of what you wish to get from new speaker that you aren't getting from your current ones? If I were in your position I would look at finding speakers that fit your taste and your room, an amp that suits the speakers then stick with them. You can then swap and change DAC's, streamers and other sources as technology advances, and it will advance, its only a decade ago the cheapest amp with Dirac was over £2,000.

 

[gasolin]

Today a PM6007 cost over 500 euros it did cost around 350 euros and i had one

Dirac live (amp) im not gonna buy at all, never

Here are the prices for a nad c700 v2 (i of course want full bandwith)



I have sold my sub (not a huge deal breaker)

I prefere bass from my main speaker but the sub has a little lower extention and more power

Better bass + a little better highs, more airy,details

Generally better bass and a little bit of everything else (i think i mentioned it but without roomfit bass is lacking alot form my signature 5's, so noo amp without quality room correction)

Based of the comments form the store about amp/speakers, i wouldn't change max budget, price to something lower, if im going for an amp

room correction for all source i think is not possible but i so a demo version of an arcam a15 for around 803 euros, which i think is a good price (not shure about the difference in sound between the a and a+ models)

 

[RJW232]

can only listen to max 2 at the same place and max is 3 speakers total

What you can do in that case is to choose music you really know very well, and check if you hear something that you haven't heard with your current speakers. And make notes of what you hear. You can use that to try other speakers at an other location. Not ideal but probably the best option available.

And if you don't hear anything you haven't heard with your current speakers there;s no need to buy something else.

 

[RTHerringbone]

Are you now starting again? I don't see why you'd get rid of the WiiM Amp Pro that you were raving about just a day ago if you can still use it as a streamer and utilise the room correction if offers.

It doesn't make sense to me to spend a good part of your budget on another room correction package which won't necessarily give you more / better EQ than the WiiM version. Frankly I'd spend whatever budget you have 50:50 on amp and speakers or towards 30:70, something like that. WiiM connected to the amp through optical out and you're done.

 

[gasolin]

What optical out ?

It's use my current amp and only that or not. There isn't any way i can use my amp for room fit, room correction together with a better amp



If i change my amp it's one amp with all the bells and whistle or an amp + a streamer with room correction

wiim amp ultra and everolo play is not an option at all, they are not a better enough option

 

[The_Lecht_Rocks]

Haven't arrived yet; should be here by Thursday.
EDIT: Just checked and the order is still "Awaiting fulfilment" - Doug Brady didn't have them in stock and have to get them shipped direct from Neat.

Nightmare. Have you relocated your system now from original position ( was it close to rear wall and furniture)?

 

[RTHerringbone]

What optical out ?

Underneath the red RCA. Connect that to another amp and then you can still use the WiiM functionality including the Room Correction.

But if you're insistent on a one box solution then you'll have to find something else, but that will add up and will limit your spend on speakers. Somewhere you need to compromise.

 

[RTHerringbone]

Nightmare. Have you relocated your system now from original position ( was it close to rear wall and furniture)?

They arrive tomorrow which is in line with the original delivery estimate; it's all good.

System still in the same location but there's more than enough clearance from the rear wall according to reviews I've seen which suggest 30cms is plenty.

 

[The_Lecht_Rocks]

They arrive tomorrow which is in line with the original delivery estimate; it's all good.

System still in the same location but there's more than enough clearance from the rear wall according to reviews I've seen which suggest 30cms is plenty.

Good luck ! Enjoy ! They take some running in apparently so ought not be judged on first listen……

 

[RTHerringbone]

Good luck ! Enjoy ! They take some running in apparently so ought not be judged on first listen……

30 hours or so seems to be the consensus. It's a hard job but someone has got to do it.

 

[gasolin]

Underneath the red RCA. Connect that to another amp and then you can still use the WiiM functionality including the Room Correction.

That is optical IN

It also say IN

 

[RTHerringbone]

So use the USB. You have options!

 

[gasolin]

requires i have an amp with usb in and i have to connect all my sources to the wiim amp pro even if the other amp has more inputs ?