Vladimir said:Naim UniQute 2 = 30W = £1,150 = 38.3 £/W
Anthem Integrated 225 = 225W = £970 = 4.3 £/W
A difference of x9 higher price per W for the Naim.
Vladimir said:Naim UniQute 2 = 30W = £1,150 = 38.3 £/W
Anthem Integrated 225 = 225W = £970 = 4.3 £/W
A difference of x9 higher price per W for the Naim.
Paulq said:matt49 said:You've got it completely the wrong way round. What this thread has established -- and we have the evidence from the horse's mouth -- is that speaker manufacturers routinely understate the amount of power needed to drive their speakers without clipping. The "25W is good enough" line is marketing spiel.
I'm not sure I have Matt. The one thing that people on here (and other forums) tend to agree on is 'let your ears make decisions'.
In the last week I have demo'd 3 amps varying in output from 30 - 100 wpc with my very own system with my very own music. At the levels I listen to there was absolutely no discernible difference in their capability to reproduce the sound that I hear. Sure there was some difference in coloration that differentiate different amps' sound signature but that's it. The 30w amp did as good a job as the 100 wpc amp 'for me'.
So I'm afraid I still have the same view. Extra watts do not mean 'better' for most people. It just sells amps and makes dealers richer.
drummerman said:I have a feeling Collin's/iQ's upcoming Hypex power amplifier will top that watt per £ list soon.
Vladimir said:drummerman said:I have a feeling Collin's/iQ's upcoming Hypex power amplifier will top that watt per £ list soon.
Devialet Expert Le 400 = 400W = £9,980 = 24.95 £/W
Dual mono 400W Devialet is 1.5 times cheaper than 30W Naim UniQute 2.
This is still apples to apples comparison since Naim is SS, not valve. Old tech comes at understandable premiums due to exclusivity. Naim is as mass goods as a Yamaha.
matt49 said:[Fair enough -- for you. On the other hand, if you really believe that our ears should make our decisions, then you'll have to admit that for some people extra watts do mean better and that extra watts don't just sell amps and make dealers richer.
BTW did you read the thread on the Harbeth User Group forum?
DocG said:Devialet Watts are 'special Watts': Le 400 gives you 400W into 6 Ohm, so probably 300 W @ 8 Ohm. Still cheaper watts than Naim's. Just.
DocG said:Vladimir said:drummerman said:I have a feeling Collin's/iQ's upcoming Hypex power amplifier will top that watt per £ list soon.
Devialet Expert Le 400 = 400W = £9,980 = 24.95 £/W
Dual mono 400W Devialet is 1.5 times cheaper than 30W Naim UniQute 2.
This is still apples to apples comparison since Naim is SS, not valve. Old tech comes at understandable premiums due to exclusivity. Naim is as mass goods as a Yamaha.
Devialet Watts are 'special Watts': Le 400 gives you 400W into 6 Ohm, so probably 300 W @ 8 Ohm. Still cheaper watts than Naim's. Just.
There are great amps around that price point from Creek, Rega, Arcam, Electrocompaniet, Hegel...and keep an eye out for Bel Canto C5i (ex-dem).Animesh Ghose said:Errrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!
so what (watt) amp should i buy next??
Budget: £1500.00 (ex dem)
CnoEvil said:There are great amps around that price point from Creek, Rega, Arcam, Electrocompaniet, Hegel...and keep an eye out for Bel Canto C5i (ex-dem).Animesh Ghose said:Errrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!
so what (watt) amp should i buy next?
Budget: £1500.00 (ex dem)
Why not?....add it to the list (I haven't heard one).Animesh Ghose said:CnoEvil said:There are great amps around that price point from Creek, Rega, Arcam, Electrocompaniet, Hegel...and keep an eye out for Bel Canto C5i (ex-dem).Animesh Ghose said:Errrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!
so what (watt) amp should i buy next??
Budget: £1500.00 (ex dem)
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How about yamaha a s2100? Looks good both from outside and inside.
Oie said:What about Abrahamsen? Are they powerful enough?
FennerMachine said:Oie said:What about Abrahamsen? Are they powerful enough?
I've not had to turn mine past 50 out of 60. Still controls the speakers. Louder without harshness as I turn it up until it becomes uncomfortably loud. Doubles power from 8 to 4 ohms. They should be powerful enough for most at a relatively modest cost. Some speakers at disco levels might require silly amounts of power though.
Animesh Ghose said:Errrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!
so what (watt) amp should i buy next?
Budget: £1500.00 (ex dem)
paulkebab said:the Vincent SV237 £1750 new, maybe you could stretch it.
Animesh Ghose said:paulkebab said:the Vincent SV237 £1750 new, maybe you could stretch it.
yes it looks geart.
Whats in the middle, is it a some kind of indicator?
is it a british made?
matt49 said:Animesh Ghose said:paulkebab said:the Vincent SV237 £1750 new, maybe you could stretch it.
yes it looks geart.
Whats in the middle, is it a some kind of indicator?
is it a british made?
The window in the middle looks in on a valve. No level indicator or anything useful.
The brand is German, I believe.