Weird that so many audiophile threads are argumentative

[Friesiansam]

I haven't actually looked at this trs person. Yes Jason is entitled to his opinion, however we are entitled to question his opinion if it seems not to match up with the way we see things.

Questioning an opinion is fine, personal attacks are not.

 

[Revolutions]

Like I said before, there’s no arguing on hifi forums.

 

[ToppingSMSL]

Like I said before, there’s no arguing on hifi forums.

I'm going to have to disagree with you there.

 

[GSV Ethics Gradient]

I think this thread has become its own self-fulfilling prophecy!

A reminder to all about the forum rules on civility. Commenting negatively on other users will not be allowed - you can disagree without getting personal.

Could I ask that if people choose to quote something containing personal abuse that they do not repeat the abuse itself? Makes the mods' job harder as we need to edit these replies as well as the offending item.

And please use the report function rather than replying to abuse if possible.

Thanks, one and all.

 

[Jasonovich]

I haven't actually looked at this trs person. Yes Jason is entitled to his opinion, however we are entitled to question his opinion if it seems not to match up with the way we see things.

Yep every right to question my opinions but it should be done with humility and fairness.

 

[Al ears]

Some people never learn....

 

[Al ears]

I think this thread has become its own self-fulfilling prophecy!

A reminder to all about the forum rules on civility. Commenting negatively on other users will not be allowed - you can disagree without getting personal.

Could I ask that if people choose to quote something containing personal abuse that they do not repeat the abuse itself? Makes the mods' job harder as we need to edit these replies as well as the offending item.

And please use the report function rather than replying to abuse if possible.

Thanks, one and all.

It would appear some people have deaf ears...... See recently reported.

 

[Jasonovich]

Ive still got some popcorn if anyone wants some ;-)

Thanks I might join you. Mustard on your hotdog? 🙂

 

[Al ears]

Thanks I might join you. Mustard on your hotdog? 🙂

Can I get onions as well?

 

[manicm]

I do see debate in other hobbyist forums and just like HiFi money influences peoples equipment selection and yet in my experience they are much more likely to have a supportive and healthy debate.

I wonder if its because there is significant skill on the part of the participant in taking part and honing skills in these groups, especially for musicians, and model engineers and that it is not all about the gear, just partly!

Probably the most amazing example I came across was a chap responding to my beginners question on 'how do i do this?', he grabbed an offcut of metal from his stock, set it up in his machines, performed the various machining steps he was proposing, photographed each step and documented each stage, all done that afternoon and posted on the forum, amazing commitment. Not a condescending word uttered about my lack of experience/knowledge.

That debate is usually very polite and non-critical. E.g. when the official Linn Forum was still around, it was very sycophantic. One valid criticism and you would be frowned upon. This I actually found less so on the official Cyrus forum.

And I wouldn't use the term 'argumentative' - I'd change your title to 'challenging'. Cos in some forums some don't want to be challenged, or the brand they use to be challenged.

However I have encountered some argumentative individuals - who thought they knew better then what my ears heard over time on my own equipment.

 

[ianrjones]

If everyone agreed with each other, We would not read it. We would sit and listen to our Amstrads, and watch the TV at the same time.

 

[Entrigo]

If everyone agreed with each other, We would not read it. We would sit and listen to our Amstrads, and watch the TV at the same time.

Absolutely. The exchanging of different opinions is the lifeblood of all fora (or forums, to be less poncy), social media and, I dare say, pretty much all human interactions.

Sadly there's a very many people who don't seem to understand the not-very-fine difference between disagreeing with someone's opinion and making a personal attack. I spend quite a lot to time on forums, from music to photography, food to football and not last politics; I'd say that for every three decent and sensible people - who know how to disagree without descending into attacks ad hominem - there's a keyboard warrior who seems to get their kicks just from provoking, attacking or insulting others. And not counting trolls...

That said, this is probably one of the tamest forums I visit, but nonetheless not completely devoid of keyboard warriors (or enablers - people who maybe don't go for personal attacks themselves but "cheer on" those who do - and who in my book are just as bad).

 

[Jasonovich]

Absolutely. The exchanging of different opinions is the lifeblood of all fora (or forums, to be less poncy), social media and, I dare say, pretty much all human interactions.

Sadly there's a very many people who don't seem to understand the not-very-fine difference between disagreeing with someone's opinion and making a personal attack. I spend quite a lot to time on forums, from music to photography, food to football and not last politics; I'd say that for every three decent and sensible people - who know how to disagree without descending into attacks ad hominem - there's a keyboard warrior who seems to get their kicks just from provoking, attacking or insulting others. And not counting trolls...

That said, this is probably one of the tamest forums I visit, but nonetheless not completely devoid of keyboard warriors (or enablers - people who maybe don't go for personal attacks themselves but "cheer on" those who do - and who in my book are just as bad).

Very true.
I think I have been partaking, for a couple years now.
The people who were mildly protagonistic (is that a real word, protagonist not, ah it will do!) in the beginning have become more receptive over a course of time.
I suppose familiarity has a certain quality.
People should be honest but fair.
I use to get poison emails from a certain individual which were then subsequently deleted!
You have to laugh!

I do try to diffuse when it gets a little vindaloo 😊.
I appreciate some people are passionate about certain things and can be entrenched in their opinions as I can at times.
Still.
It's great we can all come together and have a discussion 😉👍

 

[daytona600]

 

[Entrigo]

Very true.
I think I have been partaking, for a couple years now.
The people who were mildly protagonistic (is that a real word, protagonist not, ah it will do!) in the beginning have become more receptive over a course of time.
I suppose familiarity has a certain quality.
People should be honest but fair.
I use to get poison emails from a certain individual which were then subsequently deleted!
You have to laugh!

I do try to diffuse when it gets a little vindaloo 😊.
I appreciate some people are passionate about certain things and can be entrenched in their opinions as I can at times.
Still.
It's great we can all come together and have a discussion 😉👍

Wow Hi-Fi hate mail! 🤣 you certainly have to laugh...

But at the same time I really but really can't stand people who offend or attack personally. It's a massive pet peeve of mine (which make me turn vindaloo 😂)..

I guess I should accept that most people won't change no matter what and just ignore them instead of engaging in pointless arguments over it

 

[Gray]

...I really but really can't stand people who offend or attack personally.

Neither can I (and yet I started the Brexit thread on this forum in 2016 🙄).

The point is that people have strong opinions on divisive subjects.
And not everybody is tactful or diplomatic when putting their opinions.

So those considering certain snake oil type products (for example) should expect to have a very robust debate, to the point of having their sanity questioned - without taking it too personally.

 

[RJW232]

I think the reason is very simple: deep in their heart audiophiles know they're a bit silly and there's no need to spend so much money on stuff. So you go in the defensive mode to justify the hideous amounts of money spend on things that maybe aren't worth it.

 

[Entrigo]

Neither can I (and yet I started the Brexit thread on this forum in 2016 🙄).

The point is that people have strong opinions on divisive subjects.
And not everybody is tactful or diplomatic when putting their opinions.

So those considering certain snake oil type products (for example) should expect to have a very robust debate, to the point of having their sanity questioned - without taking it too personally.

Haha well I guess Brexit affected sales?

Robust debate is good, defending or pushing an idea as strongly as you like is all good. Bashing one's arguments, finding holes in someone's logic, super good. Personal attacks are however never OK in my book.

Bash the argument not the person. We are adults.

And if you just want to pick a fight, go somewhere else...