Upgrade speakers and cd player or better amp?

[gasolin]

Marantz PM6005,Rotel rcd-965bx le discrete with Qed performance graphite, boston A25 on isoacoustics 155 stands, supra ply 3.4 speaker cable, supra biline mp-2rca interconnect with a Audioquest dragonfly hooked up to my Asus Z97 i7 pc

What would give me the best sound upgrade?

Marantz cd5005, Wharfedale Diamond 220 and then finde some biwiring speaker cable or later buy more supra ply 3.4 or simple change my amp to something like a marantz pm8005?

 

[cheeseboy]

speakers I would have said. Maybe have a look at the second hand market, get more for your money.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Marantz PM6005,Rotel rcd-965bx le discrete with Qed performance graphite, boston A25 on isoacoustics 155 stands, supra ply 3.4 speaker cable, supra biline mp-2rca interconnect with a Audioquest dragonfly hooked up to my Asus Z97 i7 pc

What would give me the best sound upgrade?

Marantz cd5005, Wharfedale Diamond 220 and then finde some biwiring speaker cable or later buy more supra ply 3.4 or simple change my amp to something like a marantz pm8005?

i would go for the marantz pm8005 as its a lot of better sound wise then the 6005 is and i seen a secondhand one on ebay going for a good price or new one £650 matching sacd player £650 new or there is one one ebay secondhand and if your got the room floorstanders are better for metal and rock music i went for the dalis opticon 6s but they are £1200 new and they have only just come out but they play metal and rock a treat

 

[gasolin]

I can get wharfedale diamond 220 as demos for 20% off

Update i got the speakers and cdplayer

Best sound from cdplayer optical/coaxial out and in my Marantz PM6005 amp or analog out and in my amp

 

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Hay Gasolin,I wouldn't go to crazy about the biwiring thing,it isn't really going to justify the price of the extra wire.I've been there with more expensive kit and then biamped a pair of cm5's,which was a bit better,but not worth the price of the power amp required.....just letting you be aware before spending your hard earned that the differences are negligible at best.

 

[gasolin]

Hay Gasolin,I wouldn't go to crazy about the biwiring thing,it isn't really going to justify the price of the extra wire.I've been there with more expensive kit and then biamped a pair of cm5's,which was a bit better,but not worth the price of the power amp required.....just letting you be aware before spending your hard earned that the differences are negligible at best.

I tried searching for biwiring cable and one of the cheapest i could find was this one if i want something from a known brand(not especially cheap compared to buying more supra ply 3.4) http://www.whathifi.com/audioquest/flx-slip-144/review i wonder if there is any cheap,reasonable priced cable i could buy and then try the difference between biwiring,non biwiring.

I would like 1 set of speaker cable that can be used for biwirng not 2 sets of speaker cable, a cable like QED 42 Strand (if i desided to try 2 set of speaker cable) i think has a okay price but soundwise might not be good enought although í just want to test it.

Mabye theres some cheap interesting cables on ebay,amazon.co.uk or used in my county i could try, theres also black friday

 

[Thompsonuxb]

I'd suggest you upgrade the amp too.

What's your budget?

 

[gasolin]

I'd suggest you upgrade the amp too.

What's your budget?

Thompsonuxb do think theres anything wrong with the way the marantz PM6005 sounds?

My amp is new, i thought i could return it (30 day return policy) and then have bought the marantz PM8005, but i was just 3-4 days to late, as i have mentioned in another thread i get a bit of sparkle,liveliness with bright records at medium levels or louder, but it's pretty good listening to movies late night at low volume,open and clear sound with easy to hear midrange and it likes those records you in a few sec know have a really good sound (pinkfloyd,dire straits,the police)

I feel that many say theres a big difference in sound quality between the PM6005 and PM8005, but it's the PM6005 that i have and it's this amp who gets the best amp of the year award and are great value for money.

I don't want to spend more atm, mabye if i could find a good deal on some speaker cable (speciel biwring or what i already have) or interconnect on black friday (value for money) i'm not shure what will sound best digtital out from the marantz CD5005 or analog out, just know what sounds best i would look for on black friday, since i do want something that has no cons or atleast no noticeable cons (the one i use now might lack a bit of details, that i noticed before i found one review of my qed performance graphite cable i have, bit funny story about the cable, i wanted to upgrade to the qed profile, bought it but got the performance graphite cable, wrote to the store and told them i got the wrong cable, they asked me if i would like to keep it, i would)

 

[DIB]

A nice 6 month old PM8005 going on AV Forums at the moment.

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I feel that many say theres a big difference in sound quality between the PM6005 and PM8005, but it's the PM6005 that i have and it's this amp who gets the best amp of the year award and are great value for money.

I don't want to spend more atm, mabye if i could find a good deal on some speaker cable (speciel biwring or what i already have) or interconnect on black friday (value for money) i'm not shure what will sound best digtital out from the marantz CD5005 or analog out, just know what sounds best i would look for on black friday, since i do want something that has no cons or atleast no noticeable cons (the one i use now might lack a bit of details, that i noticed before i found one review of my qed performance graphite cable i have, bit funny story about the cable, i wanted to upgrade to the qed profile, bought it but got the performance graphite cable, wrote to the store and told them i got the wrong cable, they asked me if i would like to keep it, i would)

If you are happy with the PM6005 then why change it? My succession was from the PM6004 to the Pearl Lite, (both predecessors of the respective amps in question), my sister now has my PM/CD6004 and it still sounds damned good to my ears, and not that different to the Pearl Lite. If I had my choice over again I would probably have kept the PM/CD6004 and saved myself a lot of cash, but upgradeitis is a strange bug that can easily affect and trick all of us with ease *biggrin*.

I tried bi-wiring with both amps and a variety of speakers and I couldn't hear any significant difference, BUT, bi-wiring is a comparatively cheap thing to do so give it a try if you so wish. The most significant change for me has always been speakers: BX2 - BX5 - RX2 - DB1, the DB1's will be my last speaker for the forseable future and the Marantz system will be changed when it finally breaks and not before.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

The pm8005 amp is one hell of a amp and well wouth the money as it started out at £1000 when it first came out . You like the sound of the pm6005 but it's hash at the top end and gets a bit muddled at the top I have one and the matching CD player i have kept mine to use it in my bedroom as a second hi fi . And your right its good value for money but like me your noticed some of it bad points so it's time to upgrade to something better . I am not rich I had to sell some stuff just to get the money together to buy my new setup and boy I am so glad I did . The marantz pm8005 is a different kettle of fish to the 6005 the 8005 is built like a tank , sounds really good you will lose that harshness and it sounded a little bit bright as long as you get some better speakers to go with the pm8005 then your on to a winner . I did my upgrade in stages as I could not just walk into a shop and buy the lot at ones I went amp, speakers , sacd player and just got my sacd player tonight and its heavy for a sacd player a lot heavier then the cd 6005 player is . So if you can afford it you will not go far wrong with the Pm8005 / sacd 8005 player and you do not have to buy sacds discs just use it as a normal CD player . But to get all this to work right you need good speakers . By wiring is not going to improve your sound trust me my speakers will do by wiring but I have not bothered by amping will make a difference but that can be expensive to do .

 

[Covenanter]

IMO the PM8005 is one of the best value amps around right now. You won't go far wrong with it. However, again IMO, people spend far too much on amps are far too little on speakers so I would look to upgrade the speakers.

Chris

 

[matthewpiano]

The CD5005 you have purchased will be a good upgrade over the Rotel. Those old Rotels were superb players in their day, but they are getting tired now and have been surpassed. I've got a '965BX here, and I've enjoyed it over the years, but my Denon DCD720ae is a better player all round.

The only thing I would do differently would be to go for Monitor Audio Bronze 2 speakers, the clean sound of which would work very nicely with the PM6005. However, the Diamond 220s are well regarded and I think the best thing you can do now is enjoy your revised set-up until you feel comfortable about making the next upgrade (if you feel you need to).

 

[Thompsonuxb]

I'd suggest you upgrade the amp too.

What's your budget?

Thompsonuxb do think theres anything wrong with the way the marantz PM6005 sounds?

My amp is new, i thought i could return it (30 day return policy) and then have bought the marantz PM8005, but i was just 3-4 days to late, as i have mentioned in another thread i get a bit of sparkle,liveliness with bright records at medium levels or louder, but it's pretty good listening to movies late night at low volume,open and clear sound with easy to hear midrange and it likes those records you in a few sec know have a really good sound (pinkfloyd,dire straits,the police)?

I feel that many say theres a big difference in sound quality between the PM6005 and PM8005, but it's the PM6005 that i have and it's this amp who gets the best amp of the year award and are great value for money.

I don't want to spend more atm, mabye if i could find a good deal on some speaker cable (speciel biwring or what i already have) or interconnect on black friday (value for money) i'm not shure what will sound best digtital out from the marantz CD5005 or analog out, just know what sounds best i would look for on black friday, since i do want something that has no cons or atleast no noticeable cons (the one i use now might  lack a bit of details, that i noticed before i found one review of my qed performance graphite cable i have, bit funny story about the cable, i wanted to upgrade to the qed profile, bought it but got the performance graphite cable, wrote to the store and told them i got the wrong cable, they asked me if i would like to keep it, i would)

You've only had the amp a month?

Googled your speakers they are not biwireable, if I googled right.

Anyway give the amp a chance to bed in properly. Before chipping and changing. Get use to the sound and enjoy it.

At the very least use it as a point of reference for which direction you want to take 'your sound'

Meanwhile save ......

 

[gasolin]

As i mentioned i was thinking about getting the Marantz PM8005 just couldn't return my PM6006 and pay the difference up to the PM8005.

My cd player has a loose button,one missinig,i can hear the cd spin (when theres no music) an a weak high pitched sound, alot of music on tidal hifi that i use alot is remastered and not always with a good sound (recorded loud and therfore have distortion), have alot of cd's even cd's that is 20 years that still holds up to the newest relases or even there remastered version,but i don't think i have any remasterede cd,atleast not one i can think of.(mostly gretest hist david bowie,sting/the police,toto,metallica the black album/one,depechemode,pet shop boys, a special edition of brothers in arms with dire straits taht has bouns tracks (forgot i had such a cd when i started to listen to cd's again) got it for just a buck under 150£ which is a good deal

Have sometime ago looked for a turntable, since i now have a decent amp i could collect the lp's from my favorite danish band just to have them, have some old record's my grandfather ones gave me that could be fun to listen to, although they are deffinitly not music with the betales,bb king,led zeppelin,ccr, 8what my dad sister and rother listen when they where young) think i am a cd/streaming guy, like music just to play in the background without having to turn the lp after 20 min or so. There is still music only available on cd/lp you just can't find on tidal hifi,spotify (thats why i think cd/lp's will still be here in 10 and 20 years and therefor it's nice also to be able to play that kind of music not available for streaming on tidal hifi,spotify).

Speakers where demos so 20% off, they are the new budget speakers and you can't go wrong with wharefdale,q acoustics even thoose bostons i have, just hope they are better then what i have now (we all want what we can't have, perfect sound, so we have to finde something that is perfect for our taste wether is perfect or not,it's what you want) , the sparkle with the marantz amp/bostons i sometimes have i only notice on mediocore, bright recorded songs at medium high levels or louder.

 

[gasolin]

I'd suggest you upgrade the amp too.

What's your budget?

Thompsonuxb do think theres anything wrong with the way the marantz PM6005 sounds?

My amp is new, i thought i could return it (30 day return policy) and then have bought the marantz PM8005, but i was just 3-4 days to late, as i have mentioned in another thread i get a bit of sparkle,liveliness with bright records at medium levels or louder, but it's pretty good listening to movies late night at low volume,open and clear sound with easy to hear midrange and it likes those records you in a few sec know have a really good sound (pinkfloyd,dire straits,the police)

I feel that many say theres a big difference in sound quality between the PM6005 and PM8005, but it's the PM6005 that i have and it's this amp who gets the best amp of the year award and are great value for money.

I don't want to spend more atm, mabye if i could find a good deal on some speaker cable (speciel biwring or what i already have) or interconnect on black friday (value for money) i'm not shure what will sound best digtital out from the marantz CD5005 or analog out, just know what sounds best i would look for on black friday, since i do want something that has no cons or atleast no noticeable cons (the one i use now might lack a bit of details, that i noticed before i found one review of my qed performance graphite cable i have, bit funny story about the cable, i wanted to upgrade to the qed profile, bought it but got the performance graphite cable, wrote to the store and told them i got the wrong cable, they asked me if i would like to keep it, i would)

You've only had the amp a month?

Googled your speakers they are not biwireable, if I googled right.

Anyway give the amp a chance to bed in properly. Before chipping and changing. Get use to the sound and enjoy it.

At the very least use it as a point of reference for which direction you want to take 'your sound'

Meanwhile save ......

There is 30 day return policy and belive me i have burned in my amp (loove music), got this (quoting my self again) sparkle to the top at medium levels with mediocore bright recording i wasn't used to,mabye i just have to use my speakers non angled,the PM8005 was tempting to get, but have for a long time wanting to try the wharfedale diamond 220 and that option was a bit cheaper

Have heard so much good about the PM8005 so i wondered if i should get it, but i wanted a cd player and you can't always get what you want (both) so i (as well as many people do) have to choose what to get within my budget

Boston a25 are not biwireable, but the wharfedale diamond 220 i bought are.

 

[manicm]

I would look at changing the speakers. Have a look at B&W 685/686. Your A25s may be smoothing things a bit too much.

 

[gasolin]

I would look at changing the speakers. Have a look at B&W 685/686. Your A25s may be smoothing things a bit too much.

Bit on the expensive side, my a25's isn't smoothing things out (imho)

 

[gasolin]

Got the cdplayer and speakers today (have to make jumper cable instead of the metal brackets that should make a big difference). Surprised even when i bought the standard non high end CD5005 that it is much lighter then my rotel cd player

First of all they are not bassy speakers, did knew that (bostons a bit more,i am only listening to them with som light music not bassy edm), listening to dires staits money for nothing cd including Telegraph Road and Portobello Bell live version, on some song not alot of bass and a open clear bright sound (wheres the bass it's all about the bass lol)

The all time classic hotel california from the hell freezes over sounds as it should with the amount of bass you would expect, nice and clean, just get the volume up to 12'o clock, no distortion,not even from the bass

The most famous male singer in denmark (like paul mcartney or elton john in england) his old american records he made when he lived in usa for a few years,even more bass,generally the top is very good considering i use the metal brackets and as many say speaker cable does make a difference between the therminals

Great foot tapping effect, musical speakers,gonna try optical out,make those jumpers,look for slightly better interconnects (if i am not going digital).

Noticed slightly lower sensitivity (not a problem) old speaker where i bought them say 87db, bostons website say 89db, wharfedales are 86 db speakers and that's still fine with 45 watt rms in 8 ohm in a medium sized room

Would jumpers from let's say audioquest make the same diffrence as biwiring with audioquest speaker cable for the top?

Any cheap jumpers you would recommend me? As fare as i remember audioquest does make som jumpers for the therminals