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I watched it tonight, so whenever you're ready Richard.
Just thought I'd mention that I watched Submarine while I was away, and both my wife and I really enjoyed it.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1440292/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Anyway, back to the discussion........
Just thought I'd mention that I watched Submarine while I was away, and both my wife and I really enjoyed it.
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1440292/?ref_=nv_sr_1
Anyway, back to the discussion........
expat_mike
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I think we should just get on with the discussion, if someone hasn't watched it by now, they really should have.
It's over to you Richard.
It's over to you Richard.
BenLaw
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This is a bit last minute but in 5mins (10.30) there is a quality animated film on BBC4, Chico and Rita.
strapped for cash said:
You're welcome back anytime Strapped, a vacancy still exist, and I can think of no-one better to fill it.
BenLaw
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strapped for cash said:
Sorry strapped, I completely missed this post, despite replying directly after it!
Film club could definitely use another member as with only 5 plus a number of us being less active since the forum changes the thread sometimes lacks momentum. I have a feeling it won't be you but if you were to take up BBB's offer then great.
I've almost always been disappointed by films with a subject matter like Requiem, despite being interested in that subject matter. I'm guessing it may not be the film club film to have had the most academic interest but it will be well worth watching *if* it pulls off the subject matter well.
I've watching a lot of children's films lately! I genuinely think Lion King may be one of the greatest films of all time.
Have you watched anything interesting lately?
BenLaw said:
In terms of new films, or even films I haven't seen before, not so much, though I watched The Guest last night, which was fun.
I've been working through a few Truffaut films on Blu-ray; and I'm excited about The Cabinet of Dr. Caligari's upcoming BD release. Eyes Without a Face is released the week earlier, too. Good stuff!
Still no sign of Richard, and Strapped has completely ignored the invitation.
Who wants to start the discussion off?
Who wants to start the discussion off?
BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW said:
Sorry BBB. I wasn't being dismissive!
Being ignored is dispiriting, which was the case with my posts, certainly for many months before I cut back forum contributions. (I'm not saying people should respond. That's up to them. But you question why you're bothering when noboby replies.)
I may return to film club some time soon. In the meantime, I'm happy to contribute unoffically when possible, assuming nobody objects and this doesn't breach FC rules.
I meant to post earlier to advise that 4HD was screening No tonight. I got sidetracked and didn't get the chance.
Hopefully a few members watched it anyway. If not, I'm sure Film 4 will show it again soon.
Sorry for not posting sooner, as Ben said I think the new forum encourages people to post less 
its been a fortnight since I watched it but I'll do my best..
the film obviously had a glance towards films like Pinnochio, with homeless (lost children) being rounded up and the lonely scientist (Gipeto ?) creating a family.
I think what a lot of these French films have in common is an almost dream quality to them. When we dream even the most ridiculous scenarios seem perfectly fine, these films don't portray the strange events as being out of the ordinary.
I don't get why Ron Perlman was in it, certainly a financial decision.
I thought it was good, but preferred Delicatessen. I would have written more, but after every sentenc
I thought
its been a fortnight since I watched it but I'll do my best..
the film obviously had a glance towards films like Pinnochio, with homeless (lost children) being rounded up and the lonely scientist (Gipeto ?) creating a family.
I think what a lot of these French films have in common is an almost dream quality to them. When we dream even the most ridiculous scenarios seem perfectly fine, these films don't portray the strange events as being out of the ordinary.
I don't get why Ron Perlman was in it, certainly a financial decision.
I thought it was good, but preferred Delicatessen. I would have written more, but after every sentenc
I thought
Well, I had seen the fil before, and I must admit to not really caring for it the first time I watched it, but I enjoyed it more this time. I also much prefer Delicatessen.
As to what the film is about, I haven't a clue.
As to what the film is about, I haven't a clue.
Frank Harvey
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Many parts had quite a Terry Gilliam feel and look to them, and you can certainly tell it is by the same team responsible for Delicatessen. I'd love to see what this film look like in HD. I'd write more, but is forum is doing my bloody head in with its various issues.
sorry, I'll try again Last nights garbled half post. Got pretty frustrated trying to post. So now doing it on the mac.
As I said, the one film that came to mind was Pinnochio. There was reminders of Philip Pullmans book Northern Lights, but as they both came out in 1995 thats just coincidence. The whole Matrix Dream - Reality - Dream thing too.
I've seen a review that touches on the sexuality of the young girl, but personally I think it was refreshing and went back to a more innocent time.
Krank had a less sinister Dorian Gray thing going too
As I said, the one film that came to mind was Pinnochio. There was reminders of Philip Pullmans book Northern Lights, but as they both came out in 1995 thats just coincidence. The whole Matrix Dream - Reality - Dream thing too.
I've seen a review that touches on the sexuality of the young girl, but personally I think it was refreshing and went back to a more innocent time.
Krank had a less sinister Dorian Gray thing going too
strapped for cash said:
Sorry Strapped, I wasn't ignoring you either, I just missed your post.
If you do wish to return to the Film Club in the near future, I, and I'm sure all the other members would welcome your return.
It does seem to be limping along a bit, some of which is down to the new site, but your return would give us all a bit of a boost I'm sure.
expat_mike
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richardw42 said:
I haven't seen any reviews, but I did think that she put in a strong performance - and I was undecided as to whether she or the One was meant to be the lead character.
I must be contrarian, because I preferred this film to Delicatessen.
BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW said:
Things are tricky at the moment, in terms of time and other resources, though I promise I'll climb back on board soon.
In my view, people need to offer more thorough commentary. Individual members could pick an aspect of a nominated film that grabs them, and open this topic up for discussion. It makes sense, in my experience, to zero in on a point of discussion, whilst seeking to move past simple observations on whether one film may be "better" or "worse" than another. Such value judgements can only take conversation so far.
Just as importantly, commentary on the film club thread sometimes feels reserved. Members need to express their opinions, without worrying what others might think. Unfettered opinion (within reason) would make for livlier (and more engaging) debate. In other words, get stuck in! What's the worst that can happen?
Just a few thoughts (that hopefully don't offend film club members, as this certainly isn't my objective).
BenLaw
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strapped for cash said:
The Guest sounds good. There's been quite a few things out recently that I'd like to have seen but that would involve being able to get out and go to the cinema. I finally saw 12 Years A Slave recently, can you remind me what you were saying about its depiction of women?
A have a number of Truffaut films on my Lovefilm list but haven't watched any older European cinema for a little while. Let me know how Caligari looks / what the release is like. I eventually gave in and bought the Nosferatu blu but I have a DVD set with Der Golem also so I'd be doubling up a bit getting Caligari at the moment. I'm waiting to rent Eyes Without a Face before deciding it it's something I need to get.
I also finally watched The Pervert's Guide to Ideology the other day. Interest stuff but I think you need to be a bit more knowledgeable than I am about some of his academic arguments to be clear whether his arguments had much depth. The fillms he used to illustrate points were interesting but it wasn't really a film-based thesis so did end up feeling a little contrived.
BenLaw
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Sorry for taking a while, but I have some thoughts on the film. It's now at least two weeks since I watched it so I'm rather relying on some iphone notes I made whilst watching, some of which mean more to me than others!
Like others, I found the look of the film interesting. Having seen Delicatessen and Mic Macs it's clear the filmmakers have a consistent colour pallet (lots of browns and greys), some consistent stylisation (like the buildings, one of which seemed identical to the Delicatessen apartment block), an enormous eye for detail (like a great painting) and some consistent method of zooms and pans.
Compared to Delicatessen, I thought this film really moved on in how its style mirrored its subject matter. With the children central to the film, there were several aspects I thought were evocative of a number of children's films and books: the rat catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, the cityscape was like the end rooftops in Mary Poppins, there's quite a lot of Oliver Twist in there, Crumb walking with the string is straight out of a fairytale and the brain even made his history into a fairytale when he told made the bald, evil guy cry. None of this detracted from the originality. Indeed, their style is so unique it's difficult for it ever to feel unoriginal. I thought the flea poison / music box control thing was bizarre but very original and funny.
I'm not sure quite what the significance but I've made a note that there seemed to be repeated portrayals of distress caused by physical experience, in shortness, in baldness, through the loss of an eye and (maybe stretching it a little), the twins.
I thought the filmmakers really succeeded with characterisation with Crumb. I felt a genuine connection there as a viewer. Whilst Perlman's character was weaker, the connection to Crumb was such that I found the scene of hugging and where he was her 'radiator' when sleeping on the dockside genuinely touching, and equally the violence he was made to use against her genuinely upsetting.
I was especially impressed by the 'butterfly effect' scene that ended in the prevention of Crumb's murder and the collapse of the dockside. I can't remember all the details now, but I've written down how a single teardrop affected a bird, which affected a dog, then a man, then a pigeon, causing a car to hit the fire hydrant and so on. Out of small things come big things? The chain of life is impossible to fathom? Out of sadness comes a positive?
In relation to the evil, bald guy I've written that his only happy dream is youth but even that dream brings fear and isolation. But only towards the end through weakness does he have any empathy.
Can't remember the context now, but I liked a quote, 'nothingness equals the infinite'.
And I laughed out loud when they were trying to row away from the rig at the end but had left the boat tied to it, and one of them shouted out: 'it's following us!'
Good film choice, I too would like this on blu.
Like others, I found the look of the film interesting. Having seen Delicatessen and Mic Macs it's clear the filmmakers have a consistent colour pallet (lots of browns and greys), some consistent stylisation (like the buildings, one of which seemed identical to the Delicatessen apartment block), an enormous eye for detail (like a great painting) and some consistent method of zooms and pans.
Compared to Delicatessen, I thought this film really moved on in how its style mirrored its subject matter. With the children central to the film, there were several aspects I thought were evocative of a number of children's films and books: the rat catcher from Chitty Chitty Bang Bang, the cityscape was like the end rooftops in Mary Poppins, there's quite a lot of Oliver Twist in there, Crumb walking with the string is straight out of a fairytale and the brain even made his history into a fairytale when he told made the bald, evil guy cry. None of this detracted from the originality. Indeed, their style is so unique it's difficult for it ever to feel unoriginal. I thought the flea poison / music box control thing was bizarre but very original and funny.
I'm not sure quite what the significance but I've made a note that there seemed to be repeated portrayals of distress caused by physical experience, in shortness, in baldness, through the loss of an eye and (maybe stretching it a little), the twins.
I thought the filmmakers really succeeded with characterisation with Crumb. I felt a genuine connection there as a viewer. Whilst Perlman's character was weaker, the connection to Crumb was such that I found the scene of hugging and where he was her 'radiator' when sleeping on the dockside genuinely touching, and equally the violence he was made to use against her genuinely upsetting.
I was especially impressed by the 'butterfly effect' scene that ended in the prevention of Crumb's murder and the collapse of the dockside. I can't remember all the details now, but I've written down how a single teardrop affected a bird, which affected a dog, then a man, then a pigeon, causing a car to hit the fire hydrant and so on. Out of small things come big things? The chain of life is impossible to fathom? Out of sadness comes a positive?
In relation to the evil, bald guy I've written that his only happy dream is youth but even that dream brings fear and isolation. But only towards the end through weakness does he have any empathy.
Can't remember the context now, but I liked a quote, 'nothingness equals the infinite'.
And I laughed out loud when they were trying to row away from the rig at the end but had left the boat tied to it, and one of them shouted out: 'it's following us!'
Good film choice, I too would like this on blu.
I was especially impressed by the 'butterfly effect' scene that ended in the prevention of Crumb's murder and the collapse of the dockside. I can't remember all the details now, but I've written down how a single teardrop affected a bird, which affected a dog, then a man, then a pigeon, causing a car to hit the fire hydrant and so on. Out of small things come big things? The chain of life is impossible to fathom? Out of sadness comes a positive?
Ben, an, I forgot about this. I agree it was very clever. I'm going to watch it again tomorrow. I either missed or forgot a lot of it.
Ben, an, I forgot about this. I agree it was very clever. I'm going to watch it again tomorrow. I either missed or forgot a lot of it.
Thanks Ben. Some of the details you have mentioned I just can not remember seeing, some of this is down to drifting off a couple of times whilst watching the film, but a lot of it is down to my inabilty to absorb details, and recall them at a later date. It really frustrates me.
Anyway, I think I will have to watch the film again at some point.
Anyway, I think I will have to watch the film again at some point.
Frank Harvey
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BenLaw said:
To be honest, I'm struggling to recall what I said about 12 Years a Slave. I can't remember discussing the film in the context of gender, though I may have made such observations.
BenLaw said:
I agree.
Zizek doesn't always offer the most structured arguments, and he darts somewhat among subjects, which can be distracting.
If there's an overarching thesis on offer, Zizek might also make this more explicit; but he's far smarter than I am, so who I am to issue critique. He's also pretty enthusiastic/excitable (pick your adjective). In one sense this is invigorating, though keeping pace can be fatiguing.
I think Zizek's arguing that, although we're destined to fail, we must always strive to decode (and thereby stand outside of) any ideological construction. Our inevitable failure makes our efforts no less imperative. Seems reasonable to me.
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