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I bought the M6-500i first & then took it back after about a week and upgraded to the AMS as it sounded much warmer & silkier.The M6 had a massive powerful sound, but was more clinical. The HT bypass function on the M6 was appealing, but in the end the superior sound of the A class won out.

Pretty sure it draws around 300w so it is a greedy beast. Takes around 1hour to properly warm up, should I say become red hot! Given all the dramas I've had with it I'm not in a position to comment on the electricity bill. Obviously it would depend on your usage, but shouldn't be too hard to work out if you know what your kw/hour cost is.

You do have to remember that it will be offset by the reduction in heating needs during the winter!

As per my previous post, if you want one & can find a dealer with one in stock you should get it now as it doesn't sound like there will be too many around for a while.
 

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Ok thanks.. I'm sure the electric bill wouldn't break the bank and like you say saves on heating ;) I think i will demo or home demo the m6i and see if i like the 'house sound' first as a local dealer stocks them.. I could swap that and technically make money as i got my Cyrus @ trade :grin: Maybe the AMS or another class A should be something to look forward too in years to come (i'm only 27).. Or maybe my mate who has one will let me hear his and i'll be sold and won't want to look back.. Who knows..
 

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Hi Greg,

I just got off the phone to the friendly people at MF, and a have a little more clarity.

The AMS35i is not discontinued as such. They currently have no stock & have to place minimum orders of 50 units before production begins. Given the current economic climate this number represents around 10years of stock & as such they have no immediate plans to proceed.

They have managed to get their hands on one last unit which they will swap for my faulty one. I just have to convince the dealer/distributor over here to wear the shipping/import costs.

But yes, the more I think about it, the more appealing the pre/power deal sounds.

But for all those who already own the 35i it sounds like we might have a collectors item! You would have to wonder if they will ever be produced again?

While I do not doubt the ligitimacy of what you say, I cant help but think that there must be more to it than that. If what you were told is the case, then surely it would be cheaper for them to have the next 50 AMS35i made, than create a whole new amp from the ground up (ie design cost PLUS the build costs). If the reason given is true, then are MF never going to have another high end amp available instead of the AMS range?

Give their previous history of changing models and line ups every five minutes, launching new product lines more often than most manufacturers update exising lines, I am suspicious.

Either way, its not good news tho is it for those of us Cno's (not so) subliminal marketting efforts were finally working on. Im moving soon and was considering demoing the AMS for my stereo system as the room is going to be so much bigger. Bang goes that idea :wall:
 

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Hey Cno,

hope that you are well mate.

Just thought that I would provide you with an update of developments with my problematic AMS.

Apparently the solder in this particular unit had not been applied correctly. Hmmmmmm :?

In some regards this is not entirely a bad thing. Given that failures of this nature are so rare, the second incident had left some question as to whether the cause lay with the rest of my system & not the amp itself. So while I do feel particularly unlucky to have landed a dud unit, at least I now know with certainty where the problem lies.

Once the dealer had confirmed what the problem was he presented me with two options:

1) To wait for repairs & take back the same unit

2) To take his demo unit instead

Three weeks later I still hadn't heard anything so rang today to ask for an update. He now tells me that MF has discontinued the AMS35i & they are unable to source a new one for me!!! Sigh. I pretty much lifted the anger level a couple of notches & indicated that this was far from satisfactory.

About two hours later I get another call saying that the distributor had confirmed that the ASM35i was definitely no longer being made & that they could not source one from overseas. However they were able to come up with a concilliatory offer. For an extra $2400 Australian they would sell me a brand new Primo pre-amp & an AMS35P power amp. Full retail on this package would be $27k which I would get for $11,400, less than half price, not bad.

To be honest even though this is a very tempting I would really just prefer to get a new 35i. All of my funds are being directed towards my new Linn Akkurate DS at the moment. But the offer is certainly worthy of consideration.

. Judging by the MF website the AMS35P has been discontinued, so I think that they are trying to get out of the predicament by giving me existing stock rather than having to purchase new.

What do you think? Have you heard about the 35i being discontinued? I wonder if it is worth finding out if it is going to be replaced & if so how long this will take. Maybe a new replacement will have HT bypass?

The Primo is a pretty sweet piece of kit, maybe it's worth going there just because the offer is so good. It will provide greater flexibility in the future if I wanted to change amps (not that I think I would). Just from a resale point of view it should more than cover itself. Maybe there is a silver lining at the end of this after all.

Hi there, it's good to hear back from you.

I rang my dealer today and checked some stuff out, so in case it helps here is what I found out along with my thoughts:

As you have rightly gathered, the 35i has not been discontinued, though I wouldn't be surprised if the 35P was, as I don't think they sold very many.

There is a very good case that can be made for taking them up on their offer of Primo + 35P.

1. Due to the extra gain on the pre-amp, and the 35p having 3 times the current delivery of the 35i, the system should be around twice as powerful.

2. The Diablos are a very demanding load (even more so than the Floorstanders), so the 35P's extra current would drive them even better/safer.

3. The Primo is a stunning Pre, so along with the 35P, there should be a good step up in sound quality (maybe even twice as good!) ie. in control, dynamics and detail.

4. You wouldn't need an HT bypass, as you could connect direct into power amp.

5. I would rather have a Majik DS on the end of the Primo/35P than an Akurate on the end of a 35i.

6. You might be less paranoid if you moved away from the 35i, though you should be OK this time.

So to sum up, if it was me, I know if I turned down that deal, it would eat away at me....so that, combined with the fact that the Diablos would lap up the extra current on offer, I would go for it.

Before committing, can you do a home demo to make sure the gains that I say are there, actually are!

The only down side is you are buying a power amp that might be hard to shift on at a later date, without taking a big hit.

Keep us abreast of how this all plays out

Cno
 

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BigColz said:
I don't own this amp but after reading roby's thread and also el hefe saying it's perfect for rock music I want to audition the m6i and AMS.. I was thinking of gettin the m6 pre to try with my current set up also...

As i'm sure a lot of potetial future owners would like to know, what kind of power consumtion are we talking here? How much does it add to your monthly electric bill? and the main one i want to know, how long does it take to warm up fully?

Cheers mate.

If you demo the 35i, I would be very surprised if you would be happy with any of the M series.

Where power consumption is concerned, I worked out that it would cost £140, if the amp was on 6 hrs per day for 365 days.

The amp sounds good from cold and takes around 45 mins to warm up, but you can get other owners to confirm.
 

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Either way, its not good news tho is it for those of us Cno's (not so) subliminal marketting efforts were finally working on. Im moving soon and was considering demoing the AMS for my stereo system as the room is going to be so much bigger. Bang goes that idea :wall:
Don't be so defeatist...there are probably still a few kicking about in this country. There really is little better under £10k, especially with Majik DS and Kef Refs (not so subtle subliminal marketing!) :shifty: .......GO LOOK! >)
 

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Don't worry, if you have any trouble finding an AMS, there's always Sugden Masterclass... not too shabby a substitute as I think Cno would concur

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Don't worry, if you have any trouble finding an AMS, there's always Sugden Masterclass... not too shabby a substitute as I think Cno would concur

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I concur.....though not ideal for driving Diablos.
 

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Neuphonix said:
Hey Cno,

hope that you are well mate.

Just thought that I would provide you with an update of developments with my problematic AMS.

Apparently the solder in this particular unit had not been applied correctly. Hmmmmmm :?

In some regards this is not entirely a bad thing. Given that failures of this nature are so rare, the second incident had left some question as to whether the cause lay with the rest of my system & not the amp itself. So while I do feel particularly unlucky to have landed a dud unit, at least I now know with certainty where the problem lies.

Once the dealer had confirmed what the problem was he presented me with two options:

1) To wait for repairs & take back the same unit

2) To take his demo unit instead

Three weeks later I still hadn't heard anything so rang today to ask for an update. He now tells me that MF has discontinued the AMS35i & they are unable to source a new one for me!!! Sigh. I pretty much lifted the anger level a couple of notches & indicated that this was far from satisfactory.

About two hours later I get another call saying that the distributor had confirmed that the ASM35i was definitely no longer being made & that they could not source one from overseas. However they were able to come up with a concilliatory offer. For an extra $2400 Australian they would sell me a brand new Primo pre-amp & an AMS35P power amp. Full retail on this package would be $27k which I would get for $11,400, less than half price, not bad.

To be honest even though this is a very tempting I would really just prefer to get a new 35i. All of my funds are being directed towards my new Linn Akkurate DS at the moment. But the offer is certainly worthy of consideration.

. Judging by the MF website the AMS35P has been discontinued, so I think that they are trying to get out of the predicament by giving me existing stock rather than having to purchase new.

What do you think? Have you heard about the 35i being discontinued? I wonder if it is worth finding out if it is going to be replaced & if so how long this will take. Maybe a new replacement will have HT bypass?

The Primo is a pretty sweet piece of kit, maybe it's worth going there just because the offer is so good. It will provide greater flexibility in the future if I wanted to change amps (not that I think I would). Just from a resale point of view it should more than cover itself. Maybe there is a silver lining at the end of this after all.

Hi there, it's good to hear back from you.

I rang my dealer today and checked some stuff out, so in case it helps here is what I found out along with my thoughts:

As you have rightly gathered, the 35i has not been discontinued, though I wouldn't be surprised if the 35P was, as I don't think they sold very many.

There is a very good case that can be made for taking them up on their offer of Primo + 35P.

1. Due to the extra gain on the pre-amp, and the 35p having 3 times the current delivery of the 35i, the system should be around twice as powerful.

2. The Diablos are a very demanding load (even more so than the Floorstanders), so the 35P's extra current would drive them even better/safer.

3. The Primo is a stunning Pre, so along with the 35P, there should be a good step up in sound quality (maybe even twice as good!) ie. in control, dynamics and detail.

4. You wouldn't need an HT bypass, as you could connect direct into power amp.

5. I would rather have a Majik DS on the end of the Primo/35P than an Akurate on the end of a 35i.

6. You might be less paranoid if you moved away from the 35i, though you should be OK this time.

So to sum up, if it was me, I know if I turned down that deal, it would eat away at me....so that, combined with the fact that the Diablos would lap up the extra current on offer, I would go for it.

Before committing, can you do a home demo to make sure the gains that I say are there, actually are!

The only down side is you are buying a power amp that might be hard to shift on at a later date, without taking a big hit.

Keep us abreast of how this all plays out

Cno

HI Cno,

thanks for checking that out & getting back to me so quickly.

Having slept on it overnight, I've woken up feeling pretty certain that I will be taking them up on their offer. Your thoughts have certainly helped to clarify & confirm some of my reasoning.

I hadn't even thought of a direct connection to the 35p for HT bypass, bonus. Although long consideration will be given to keeping the two systems totally separate, it's good to know that at least the option is there.

The extra SQ is the primary motivation & for this sort of money it seems too good to turn down. Even my wife who hasn't been all that happy about my constant budgetary re-evaluations (cough, cough) can see the sense. As for taking a hit on the 35p if I ever wanted to re-sell it (probably wont) I would say the difference would be off-set by the extra re-sale value in the Primo.

The short term impact might just be that the Akkurate takes an extra month or so to be added to the system. Not quite counting my chickens yet, but once again a real confirmation about the value of buying through a reputable dealer. Even though at times I have wanted a greater sense of urgency, in the end after much patience it seems as though the final outcome will be much better than I could have hoped for.

I trust that you won't be revoking my membership in your exclusive church? Surely my baptism of fire has granted me some sort of special dispensation?! ;) ;)
 

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£140 a month or in total? If the latter £12 PCM isn't even a factor.. Well for me anyway.. Thanks for the info pal

£144 per year which I worked out as follows:

1000W = 1 Unit @ 20p/hr

330W (35i) = 6.6p/hr

1Hr of use every day for a year = £24

6Hrs/Day for a year = £144
 

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Don't be so defeatist...there are probably still a few kicking about in this country. There really is little better under £10k, especially with Majik DS and Kef Refs (not so subtle subliminal marketing!) :shifty: .......GO LOOK! >)

As I said Im moving shortly Cno. If I spend all the money on an amp I will end up being the little old lady who lived in a speaker. At least the AMS could keep me warm tho lol
 
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CnoEvil said:
Don't be so defeatist...there are probably still a few kicking about in this country. There really is little better under £10k, especially with Majik DS and Kef Refs (not so subtle subliminal marketing!) :shifty: .......GO LOOK! >)

As I said Im moving shortly Cno. If I spend all the money on an amp I will end up being the little old lady who lived in a speaker. At least the AMS could keep me warm tho lol

Don't mention the 'W' word. :dance: It doesn't so I've been told.
 

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I trust that you won't be revoking my membership in your exclusive church? Surely my baptism of fire has granted me some sort of special dispensation?! ;) ;)

Of course you are still a member of the 35 Club....its just you'll have gone for a P (instead of an i )!

It's a touch ironic that Class A has led to a baptism of fire.....you deserve a little luck.
 

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As I said Im moving shortly Cno. If I spend all the money on an amp I will end up being the little old lady who lived in a speaker. At least the AMS could keep me warm tho lol

....and I know just the speaker! :grin:
 

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Also remember that if you turn your air-con on less there be an reduction on your bill. Probably not the most green friendly offset available but worth bearing in mind.

If you wanted to push it even further you could possibly look at using it as an electric cooktop as well :)
 

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Neuphonix said:
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Neuphonix said:
Hey Cno,

hope that you are well mate.

Just thought that I would provide you with an update of developments with my problematic AMS.

Apparently the solder in this particular unit had not been applied correctly. Hmmmmmm :?

In some regards this is not entirely a bad thing. Given that failures of this nature are so rare, the second incident had left some question as to whether the cause lay with the rest of my system & not the amp itself. So while I do feel particularly unlucky to have landed a dud unit, at least I now know with certainty where the problem lies.

Once the dealer had confirmed what the problem was he presented me with two options:

1) To wait for repairs & take back the same unit

2) To take his demo unit instead

Three weeks later I still hadn't heard anything so rang today to ask for an update. He now tells me that MF has discontinued the AMS35i & they are unable to source a new one for me!!! Sigh. I pretty much lifted the anger level a couple of notches & indicated that this was far from satisfactory.

About two hours later I get another call saying that the distributor had confirmed that the ASM35i was definitely no longer being made & that they could not source one from overseas. However they were able to come up with a concilliatory offer. For an extra $2400 Australian they would sell me a brand new Primo pre-amp & an AMS35P power amp. Full retail on this package would be $27k which I would get for $11,400, less than half price, not bad.

To be honest even though this is a very tempting I would really just prefer to get a new 35i. All of my funds are being directed towards my new Linn Akkurate DS at the moment. But the offer is certainly worthy of consideration.

. Judging by the MF website the AMS35P has been discontinued, so I think that they are trying to get out of the predicament by giving me existing stock rather than having to purchase new.

What do you think? Have you heard about the 35i being discontinued? I wonder if it is worth finding out if it is going to be replaced & if so how long this will take. Maybe a new replacement will have HT bypass?

The Primo is a pretty sweet piece of kit, maybe it's worth going there just because the offer is so good. It will provide greater flexibility in the future if I wanted to change amps (not that I think I would). Just from a resale point of view it should more than cover itself. Maybe there is a silver lining at the end of this after all.

Hi there, it's good to hear back from you.

I rang my dealer today and checked some stuff out, so in case it helps here is what I found out along with my thoughts:

As you have rightly gathered, the 35i has not been discontinued, though I wouldn't be surprised if the 35P was, as I don't think they sold very many.

There is a very good case that can be made for taking them up on their offer of Primo + 35P.

1. Due to the extra gain on the pre-amp, and the 35p having 3 times the current delivery of the 35i, the system should be around twice as powerful.

2. The Diablos are a very demanding load (even more so than the Floorstanders), so the 35P's extra current would drive them even better/safer.

3. The Primo is a stunning Pre, so along with the 35P, there should be a good step up in sound quality (maybe even twice as good!) ie. in control, dynamics and detail.

4. You wouldn't need an HT bypass, as you could connect direct into power amp.

5. I would rather have a Majik DS on the end of the Primo/35P than an Akurate on the end of a 35i.

6. You might be less paranoid if you moved away from the 35i, though you should be OK this time.

So to sum up, if it was me, I know if I turned down that deal, it would eat away at me....so that, combined with the fact that the Diablos would lap up the extra current on offer, I would go for it.

Before committing, can you do a home demo to make sure the gains that I say are there, actually are!

The only down side is you are buying a power amp that might be hard to shift on at a later date, without taking a big hit.

Keep us abreast of how this all plays out

Cno

HI Cno,

thanks for checking that out & getting back to me so quickly.

Having slept on it overnight, I've woken up feeling pretty certain that I will be taking them up on their offer. Your thoughts have certainly helped to clarify & confirm some of my reasoning.

I hadn't even thought of a direct connection to the 35p for HT bypass, bonus. Although long consideration will be given to keeping the two systems totally separate, it's good to know that at least the option is there.

The extra SQ is the primary motivation & for this sort of money it seems too good to turn down. Even my wife who hasn't been all that happy about my constant budgetary re-evaluations (cough, cough) can see the sense. As for taking a hit on the 35p if I ever wanted to re-sell it (probably wont) I would say the difference would be off-set by the extra re-sale value in the Primo.

The short term impact might just be that the Akkurate takes an extra month or so to be added to the system. Not quite counting my chickens yet, but once again a real confirmation about the value of buying through a reputable dealer. Even though at times I have wanted a greater sense of urgency, in the end after much patience it seems as though the final outcome will be much better than I could have hoped for.

I trust that you won't be revoking my membership in your exclusive church? Surely my baptism of fire has granted me some sort of special dispensation?! ;) ;)

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Neuphonix said:
Hey Cno,

hope that you are well mate.

Just thought that I would provide you with an update of developments with my problematic AMS.

Apparently the solder in this particular unit had not been applied correctly. Hmmmmmm :?

In some regards this is not entirely a bad thing. Given that failures of this nature are so rare, the second incident had left some question as to whether the cause lay with the rest of my system & not the amp itself. So while I do feel particularly unlucky to have landed a dud unit, at least I now know with certainty where the problem lies.

Once the dealer had confirmed what the problem was he presented me with two options:

1) To wait for repairs & take back the same unit

2) To take his demo unit instead

Three weeks later I still hadn't heard anything so rang today to ask for an update. He now tells me that MF has discontinued the AMS35i & they are unable to source a new one for me!!! Sigh. I pretty much lifted the anger level a couple of notches & indicated that this was far from satisfactory.

About two hours later I get another call saying that the distributor had confirmed that the ASM35i was definitely no longer being made & that they could not source one from overseas. However they were able to come up with a concilliatory offer. For an extra $2400 Australian they would sell me a brand new Primo pre-amp & an AMS35P power amp. Full retail on this package would be $27k which I would get for $11,400, less than half price, not bad.

To be honest even though this is a very tempting I would really just prefer to get a new 35i. All of my funds are being directed towards my new Linn Akkurate DS at the moment. But the offer is certainly worthy of consideration.

. Judging by the MF website the AMS35P has been discontinued, so I think that they are trying to get out of the predicament by giving me existing stock rather than having to purchase new.

What do you think? Have you heard about the 35i being discontinued? I wonder if it is worth finding out if it is going to be replaced & if so how long this will take. Maybe a new replacement will have HT bypass?

The Primo is a pretty sweet piece of kit, maybe it's worth going there just because the offer is so good. It will provide greater flexibility in the future if I wanted to change amps (not that I think I would). Just from a resale point of view it should more than cover itself. Maybe there is a silver lining at the end of this after all.

Hi there, it's good to hear back from you.

I rang my dealer today and checked some stuff out, so in case it helps here is what I found out along with my thoughts:

As you have rightly gathered, the 35i has not been discontinued, though I wouldn't be surprised if the 35P was, as I don't think they sold very many.

There is a very good case that can be made for taking them up on their offer of Primo + 35P.

1. Due to the extra gain on the pre-amp, and the 35p having 3 times the current delivery of the 35i, the system should be around twice as powerful.

2. The Diablos are a very demanding load (even more so than the Floorstanders), so the 35P's extra current would drive them even better/safer.

3. The Primo is a stunning Pre, so along with the 35P, there should be a good step up in sound quality (maybe even twice as good!) ie. in control, dynamics and detail.

4. You wouldn't need an HT bypass, as you could connect direct into power amp.

5. I would rather have a Majik DS on the end of the Primo/35P than an Akurate on the end of a 35i.

6. You might be less paranoid if you moved away from the 35i, though you should be OK this time.

So to sum up, if it was me, I know if I turned down that deal, it would eat away at me....so that, combined with the fact that the Diablos would lap up the extra current on offer, I would go for it.

Before committing, can you do a home demo to make sure the gains that I say are there, actually are!

The only down side is you are buying a power amp that might be hard to shift on at a later date, without taking a big hit.

Keep us abreast of how this all plays out

Cno

hey have been away for a while an reading this I'm almost a shame to say I'm enjoying mine every momment more an more...

Only negative point for me is that there are some cd's I really liked in the past that I don't listen to anymore cause the recording is bad :)

Anyway I have to say I agree with Ceno If you can afford it do it? It will provably give you peace of mind. Biside if you ever wan't tu upgrade (powerwise ) it give you slightly more options. An don't forget the primo is an Hibride so you will get best of bothe worlds.

If I would ever upgrade on the amp side this would be my choice, but this will provably not happen in the next 10 or 20 years.

Or I win on the lotery of course.

The only point that would make me doubt is that bothe of my dealers told me I might lose a bit of magic the AMS 35I can deliver.

Any all this to tell you I'm almost jalous ;-)

An of course wish you good luck

I hope you keep us posted
 

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Hey Cno I don't doubt your calculations

But wasn't the AMS tested i an Austrailian mgazine pulling of more than 400w of the wall?

They even said it where the only numbers MF where a bit shy about :rofl:
 

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CnoEvil said:
BigColz said:
I don't own this amp but after reading roby's thread and also el hefe saying it's perfect for rock music I want to audition the m6i and AMS.. I was thinking of gettin the m6 pre to try with my current set up also...

As i'm sure a lot of potetial future owners would like to know, what kind of power consumtion are we talking here? How much does it add to your monthly electric bill? and the main one i want to know, how long does it take to warm up fully?

Cheers mate.

If you demo the 35i, I would be very surprised if you would be happy with any of the M series.

Where power consumption is concerned, I worked out that it would cost £140, if the amp was on 6 hrs per day for 365 days.

The amp sounds good from cold and takes around 45 mins to warm up, but you can get other owners to confirm.

haha you will be trapped :twisted: an I know what I'm talking about :rofl:

But I promisse you all the doubt's you can have (budget wise maybe or others ) Wil will go away as snow in the sun when it's properly set up an setled in you livingroom ;-)

I'm listening right now an can't even tall you how happy I'm with my dicision....an I didn't even upgrade the rest yet
 

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As I said Im moving shortly Cno. If I spend all the money on an amp I will end up being the little old lady who lived in a speaker. At least the AMS could keep me warm tho lol

....and I know just the speaker! :grin:

MMM :? I'm courious to know witch one that would be.... :poke:

BTW I came in to a oportunity of bying some Avalon Acendent ex demo for half the price....

I porvably go for a demo afther next week as I'm away next week.

If I like it I will prvably strech the money an worst case senario If I ever want to get rit of it I doubt I lose to much money....

Only thing is they are rated 89db at 4ohm not sure this will fully please me. But I wan't to hear it because my very first expiriece with the ams was conected to the Avalon Idea an I loved it....(just tought then it was out of my leak but things change :))
 

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CnoEvil said:
BigColz said:
I don't own this amp but after reading roby's thread and also el hefe saying it's perfect for rock music I want to audition the m6i and AMS.. I was thinking of gettin the m6 pre to try with my current set up also...

As i'm sure a lot of potetial future owners would like to know, what kind of power consumtion are we talking here? How much does it add to your monthly electric bill? and the main one i want to know, how long does it take to warm up fully?

Cheers mate.

If you demo the 35i, I would be very surprised if you would be happy with any of the M series.

Where power consumption is concerned, I worked out that it would cost £140, if the amp was on 6 hrs per day for 365 days.

The amp sounds good from cold and takes around 45 mins to warm up, but you can get other owners to confirm.

haha you will be trapped :twisted: an I know what I'm talking about :rofl:

But I promisse you all the doubt's you can have (budget wise maybe or others ) Wil will go away as snow in the sun when it's properly set up an setled in you livingroom ;-)

I'm listening right now an can't even tall you how happy I'm with my dicision....an I didn't even upgrade the rest yet

I know ;) but once I have that amp (if I got it) I'd no I wouldn't want/need to upgrade it for the foreseeable future.. As the ASM power amp or a bigger upgrade in general would be silly money.. Instead of always thinkin what can I change etc.. Prob dangerous but if its as good as you say I WANT IT!!! ;) ill get an M3 next year.. Or maybe some speakers :rofl:
 

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Roby said:
Only negative point for me is that there are some cd's I really liked in the past that I don't listen to anymore cause the recording is bad :)

That is the fault of the CDP and speakers rather than than the amp, which is reasonably forgiving. The problem should mostly disappear with a decent source and the right speakers.
 

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