SUGGESTIONS - UPGRADE FROM ATC SCM 11 ?

[Anonymous]

Hello Rick, I know this is quite a jump, would the 40s work with my yammies and room size ? Or as suggested by your self and David the c1 sub/11,s. or 19,s on their own be a better investment ? I know an audtion would be best. Just an after thort how long do the scm 11,s take to burn in ?

regards

 

[Anonymous]

FATS 2828 I have used ATC SCM19's with C1 SUB & it's a great sub fleshes out the bottom end cleanly & it's fast...but if you enjoy most of what the 11's do then the 19's will be a BIG jump up in the audio stakes, the 19's suggested low end response is bellied with in room use & reinforcement. The thing about ATC is that they don't fatten out the mid bass falsely to appear to go lower...but if the disc has appropriate bass recorded then the 19's dynamic range won't hold any back, I found when I had mine that when fully run in that it was only occasionally that I would need the sub. The 11's still fetch good money used & I think you would be quite astounded at the 19's capabilities
Cheers
Benny.

 

[MUSICRAFT]

Hello Rick, I know this is quite a jump, would the 40s work with my yammies and room size ? Or as suggested by your self and David the c1 sub/11,s. or 19,s on their own be a better investment ? I know an audtion would be best. Just an after thort how long do the scm 11,s take to burn in ?

regards

Hi FATS 2828

I've got clients happily using Yamaha's A-S2000/CD-S2000 with SCM40's monitors 🙂 SCM40's are a massive step up from the already superb SCM11's. The main reason for this is down to the superb performance of the studio Soft Dome mid range unit J) If the SCM40's work in your room then i really feel you'll have a very :bigsmile: on your face. Fwiw, i feelSCM40's are probably the finest VFM speakers currently avaialble on the market regardless of price.

SCM19's (incorporating the massive low distortion SLMT mid bass drive unit which itself weighs more then a complete SCM11

) are a big step in performance over the SCM11's. You should have no issues in getting SCM19's to work in your room.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

[Frank Harvey]

...would the 40s work with my yammies and room size ?

I personally find the SCM40's harder to pair with amplification as they seem to be far more picky of the amplification that is needed to bring out their abilities. If you decide to go this route, make sure you audition first.

 

[Anonymous]

Hello David, The smc 19,s are a taller speaker than the 11,s. which speaker stands and what height would you suggest the stands be ? Also how long do the 19,s take to burn in ?

regards

 

[Anonymous]

Hi FATS 2828 I had my scm19's on Partington broadsides standard 600mm maybe slightly more with the spikes & floor protectors or you could use something of similarly heavy solid build from Atacama or the like, as for run in time they sound very good straight from the box...but do go through a change when there is at least a couple of hundred hours on them...they flesh out a good deal, the SL driver is an absolute monster...sorry for cutting in on your question to David but I think he may suggest something along the same lines.

Cheers
Benny.

 

[Frank Harvey]

Sorry, been a little busy recently....

To add to what Benny has said, I think you might be fine with the stands you have. You could use lower stands, but do bear in mind that lower stands are going to bring out the bass of a speaker more, whereas taller stands will keep things tighter and (I feel) a little more neutral.

 

[Anonymous]

:bounce:

4m x 3m room, firing across room.

Budget up too 1500 pounds. Play all kinds of music .

Max distance from rear wall 300 mm

Yamaha as2000 cd and amp

No Boomy bass please

I thank you.

WHAT HI FI SEPT 2011. Sound Advice section. Page 92.

See title FROM atc 11, ADVICE GIVEN. Spend 1690 pounds on accessorys, ?

Your opinion on this advice?

Having already sold my atc11,s. i am in the market for new speakers [ no music for three weeks

]

Have i made a boo boo ?

Going too look at b&w, monitor audio, proac and re-vist atc.

suggestions or opinions . May increace budget too 2000 if seduced .

 

[MUSICRAFT]

:bounce:

4m x 3m room, firing across room.

Budget up too 1500 pounds. Play all kinds of music .

Max distance from rear wall 300 mm

Yamaha as2000 cd and amp

No Boomy bass please

I thank you.

WHAT HI FI SEPT 2011. Sound Advice section. Page 92.

See title FROM atc 11, ADVICE GIVEN. Spend 1690 pounds on accessorys, ?

Your opinion on this advice?

Having already sold my atc11,s. i am in the market for new speakers [ no music for three weeks

]

Have i made a boo boo ?

Going too look at b&w, monitor audio, proac and re-vist atc.

suggestions or opinions . May increace budget too 2000 if seduced .

Hi FATS2828

£1690 on accessories? Your opinion on this advice? - could you clarify this please.

Have i made a boo boo? - fear not might be a case of a boomerang 😉

£2k - SCM40 monitors and if possible have a look at ATC's drive units in the flesh :twisted: as this may help to settle any doubts 😉

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

[Anonymous]

Hello Rick, hope i find you well. Well too my suprise i am in print in the current WHF :read: They suggest Audiophile starbase rack at 1180, a pair of custom designs stands at 190 ,chord chamleon interconnect.125 [Which i just happen to have xlr version. SPOOKY] and some epic speaker cable at

40 pounds a meter, which in my case would be another 400 pounds. Total 1770,

regards

 

[Craig M.]

i haven't seen the mag, but you said you wanted a slightly fuller sound and they recommended you spend nearly 1200 quid on a rack? A RACK? :rofl: that must be some rack. is there any chance your advice was mixed up with someone who had asked the best way of wasting 1200 pound? are you gonna buy one? :rofl: :rofl:

 

[chebby]

... they recommended you spend nearly 1200 quid on a rack? A RACK? :rofl: that must be some rack. is there any chance your advice was mixed up with someone who had asked the best way of wasting 1200 pound? are you gonna buy one? :rofl: :rofl:

This one...

http://www.whathifi.com/review/audiophilebase-starbase-2-b01-platforms

 

[MattSPL]

Having owned ATC's scm19's, and PMC DB1i's before them, i think you will miss the midrange clarity and transparency in the trebble if you moved to PMC.
The scm19's have a far fuller sound than the DB1i, but they are about twice the size.
I can't comment on the TB1i as i haven't heard it.

Having moved up to the scm50asl, i can confirm that all ATC's have the same sonic signature of neutrality. You just get more clarity and fullness to the sound as you move up the range.

I would suggest keeping the scm11's and buying a sub.

Ive used a sub of one sort or another since getting into hifi at the age of 12. The right sub properly set up can work wonders with speakers large and small.
If you like the sound you have but just want a fuller sound, a sub is the cheapest and easiest way to get that, and will help from low level listening where you will still get full deep bass, right upto concert levels where it will generate the ambiance of the venue and force to the sound.

Cheers
Matt

 

[Frank Harvey]

I still say the SCM19's will be the best place to start. You could also try the new B&W PM1's, which you may find to your liking, and they're about the same size as the 11's, although a little deeper.

 

[Anonymous]

:? it must be, but........I could spend more :exmark: It is the cheaper version :doh:

 

[Anonymous]

Coming your way on saturday David , spoke to Kevin today. BY the way do you stock the magic rack ?

 

[BenLaw]

Hello Rick, hope i find you well. Well too my suprise i am in print in the current WHF :read: They suggest Audiophile starbase rack at 1180, a pair of custom designs stands at 190 ,chord chamleon interconnect.125 [Which i just happen to have xlr version. SPOOKY] and some epic speaker cable at

40 pounds a meter, which in my case would be another 400 pounds. Total 1770,

regards

I noticed this Q and A in the mag, but had forgotten you'd started this thread. Like Craig, it seemed like madness to me! There's simply no way a new stand can have anything like the impact that a change in speakers can. I think they were taking into account your components also tho.

I too would advise you consder the 19s and 40s.

 

[Frank Harvey]

Coming your way on saturday David , spoke to Kevin today. BY the way do you stock the magic rack ?

Look forward to meeting you 🙂

We don't keep the rack, but I have had experience of the shelf, which used to be (and I assume still is) available as an equipment platform. It seemed like a really good idea - the only other platform at the time was the Mission Isoplat, which was £30. The Base platform was about £45, if I recall correctly. I see they've more than doubled now, so not sure of their value for money.

I found the Isoplat made a difference 'sometimes', whereas the Base made a difference more of the time. Also, it seemed to improve Naim components too, something which the Isoplat didn't. Naim recommended no isolation platforms at the time, claiming the feet of their equipment was sufficient.

 

[MUSICRAFT]

Hello Rick, hope i find you well. Well too my suprise i am in print in the current WHF :read: They suggest Audiophile starbase rack at 1180, a pair of custom designs stands at 190 ,chord chamleon interconnect.125 [Which i just happen to have xlr version. SPOOKY] and some epic speaker cable at

40 pounds a meter, which in my case would be another 400 pounds. Total 1770,

regards

Hi FATS 2828

I am fine thanks. And yourself?

Btw, thanks for your reply.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

[Anonymous]

i haven't seen the mag, but you said you wanted a slightly fuller sound and they recommended you spend nearly 1200 quid on a rack? A RACK? :rofl: that must be some rack. is there any chance your advice was mixed up with someone who had asked the best way of wasting 1200 pound? are you gonna buy one? :rofl: :rofl:

I could,nt bring myself to spend so much on whf,s recommendations, so its 95 % looks like b&w,s pm1,s. Once i,ve saved a few more shekel,s and groats. Life without my music is rather dull . 🙁

 

[plastic penguin]

i haven't seen the mag, but you said you wanted a slightly fuller sound and they recommended you spend nearly 1200 quid on a rack? A RACK? :rofl: that must be some rack. is there any chance your advice was mixed up with someone who had asked the best way of wasting 1200 pound? are you gonna buy one? :rofl: :rofl:

I could,nt bring myself to spend so much on whf,s recommendations, so its 95 % looks like b&w,s pm1,s. Once i,ve saved a few more shekel,s and groats. Life without my music is rather dull . 🙁

Heard the PM1s briefly a couple of weeks ago and they are good.

 

[MUSICRAFT]

I could,nt bring myself to spend so much on whf,s recommendations, so its 95 % looks like b&w,s pm1,s. Once i,ve saved a few more shekel,s and groats. Life without my music is rather dull . 🙁

Hi FATS2828

Have you also auditioned SCM19 monitors?

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

[Anonymous]

Hello rick, they are my remaining 5% along with the 40,s on the next audition. As your previous recommen dation,s . I have read elsewhere that the 19,s are a more rounded sound compaired to the other entry level atc,s. Would you go along with that observation. ? A demo as you say is all important. The pm1,s do sound very good tho.

 

[MUSICRAFT]

Hi FATS2828

SCM19's offer far better resolution than the already impressive SCM7 and SCM11 monitors and fully justify their premium. However the star of Entry Series is the SCM40 monitors. SCM40 monitors are just excellent VFM.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft