SUGGESTIONS - UPGRADE FROM ATC SCM 11 ?

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4m x 3m room, firing across room.

Budget up too 1500 pounds. Play all kinds of music .

Max distance from rear wall 300 mm

Yamaha as2000 cd and amp

No Boomy bass please

I thank you.

 

[Frank Harvey]

As you're used to the ATC sound, have you thought about the SCM19's? Is there anything you don't like about your current SCM11's?

 

[Anonymous]

Love the detail, just somtimes they are a bit too lean in sound and bass.

Maybe something slightly warmer [not too much]

Wanted to stay around the same size, thougt the 19,s would be to much for the room.

Was lookig at proac d1 , not many reveiws about .

 

[BenLaw]

Agree entirely with David! If you're talking about an 'upgrade' and you like the non-'boomy bass' of the 11s the logical progression is the 19s. The mid-bass driver is a significant step up but retains all the sonic characteristics you hopefully enjoy at the moment.

 

[BenLaw]

Oops, our replies crossed. I'd still consider an audition of the 19s, they go a fair bit lower than the 11s. Or you could consider adding a sub if you feel you're lacking bass (personally I'd say you're just hearing what's on the record and not getting a bass boost). I'm aware of people successfully using an ATC C1 sub with 11s, well within budget.

 

[CnoEvil]

Love the detail, just somtimes they are a bit too lean in sound and bass.

Maybe something slightly warmer [not too much]

Wanted to stay around the same size, thougt the 19,s would be to much for the room.

Was lookig at proac d1 , not many reveiws about .

Good choice, and if you find it a touch too warm or dark, try PMC TB2i.

Cno

 

[Frank Harvey]

The ProAc D2 might be worth a try, but I think a lot of speakers just aren't going to give you the same neutral, detailed sound as the ATC's, with the same ease of placement. If you can accomodate SCM19's, I think they'd more than solve your lean bass issue - there are limitations to the SCM11's bass response, or indeed any speaker of that size.

 

[Anonymous]

Hello David , d2,s just out of my range. Just looking for a slightly fuller [ warmer ?] sound . Do the 19,s have this ? Or is it just the same atc sound all the way through the range ? Your take on the procac d1,s would be helpfull , or any other suggetions. Cheers

 

[jaxwired]

Have to disagree with the SCM 19 advice. I've owned both the 11s and the 19s. If you want an upgrade from the scm 11s, don't buy the 19s, it's pretty much more of the same. They scm11s are so good that the 19s don't justify the price IMO. Also, I don't think you would add the warmth you want with the 19s.

I think the PMC TB2i would be the way to go. Good size for your room. Only slightly larger than your scm 11s and they have substantially more warmth to the sound while still providing bags of detail.

You might also consider the new monitor audio GX line.

 

[Frank Harvey]

The 7's, 11's, and 19's all have a similar sound, but do get a little fuller as the cabinet and driver sizes increase. The bass and midrange of the SCM series is quite different to other speakers as most other speakers use a reflex port. Used well, a port does have it's benefits, but a sealed cabinet does sound quite different, which is why I think you might find it hard to switch to another speaker within your budget.

The D1's would be worth a try, and may well be exactly what you're after - only you can decide that. They will definitely have a warmer sound than the SCM11's, but I think you might lose a little power and punch as the D1 uses a smaller bass driver.

 

[MUSICRAFT]

4m x 3m room, firing across room.

Budget up too 1500 pounds. Play all kinds of music .

Max distance from rear wall 300 mm

Yamaha as2000 cd and amp

No Boomy bass please

I thank you.

Hi FATS 2828

Is the room lightly or heavily furnished?

Your general listening level?

Are your SCM11 monitors stand, shelf or wall mounted?

Do you use the tone controls on the A-S200 amplifier?

Would you also consider a change of amp, cd player, both or (as Ben has also mentioned) adding a sub?

The interconnect and speaker cables you are using?

Will you be auditioning before making a change?

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

[Anonymous]

Cheers Jaxwired, Have you heard the gx models ?

 

[plastic penguin]

If you like ATC I would stay clear of PMCs. Nothing wrong them at all but compared to ATC they can be slightly recessed in the midrange, otherwise they'd be a perfect alternative.

 

[Anonymous]

Hello Rick, lightly furnished, between 9 and 10 on the dial, on stands, [was considering using atacama hsm2 stands to help bass.] Yes to tone controls, chord chameleon xlr balanced phono. Amp and cd maybe [ but i do like the retro look]. Audition yes.

Sub maybe. The 11s are not far off the sound i want , as stated before just require a slightly fuller sound . Cheers

 

[jaxwired]

Cheers Jaxwired, Have you heard the gx models ?

Hi FATS 2828, no I have not yet had the opportunity. I'm looking forward to it though. They look a million bucks.

I have heard the platinum line which I enjoyed. I'm a fan of MA. They make gorgeous speakers that have a high fun factor IMO.

The PMCs I recommended I have heard and I owned the DB1i's for awhile. I found them to be spectacular.

 

[MUSICRAFT]

Hello Rick, lightly furnished, between 9 and 10 on the dial, on stands, [was considering using atacama hsm2 stands to help bass.] Yes to tone controls, chord chameleon xlr balanced phono. Amp and cd maybe [ but i do like the retro look]. Audition yes.

Sub maybe. The 11s are not far off the sound i want , as stated before just require a slightly fuller sound . Cheers

Hi FATS 2828

Thanks for your reply.

As the SCM11 monitors are effectively reproducing the type of presentation you are after then i feel in the first instance you really should try ATC's C1 subwoofer. As with ATC's main monitors the C1's clean presentation will help it to gel seamlessly with your SCM11's whilst at the same time nicely filling out the missing range. As a result you'll have greater depth, dynamics and a sense of space to sound :bigsmile: Another benefit of using the C1 sub might be a reduction of your average playback levels.

The C1 also works a treat with SCM19 and SCM40 monitors so it really is a no brainer with SCM11 monitors 🙂

Btw, stand mount your speakers is a good idea. Soundstyle XS122's are also worth a look.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

[Anonymous]

Hello Rick , speakers already on stands. The hsm2 would be a upgrade ? On subwoofer connections and placement, to my system, how would that work ? cheers

 

[AL13N]

Seeing as you're using the Yamaha CD-S2000 and A-S2000 combo, have you considered the Yamaha Soavo-2 speakers with their matching SPS-900 stands?

Both speakers and stands should come within your budget of 1500 pounds.

Good Luck

 

[the record spot]

Good call - the Yammies were very well rated in both their standmount and floorstanding Soavo brothers. Great speakers by all accounts.

 

[plastic penguin]

Whatever the short-list (and given the ATC's quality) an audition is paramount.

 

[MUSICRAFT]

Hello Rick , speakers already on stands. The hsm2 would be a upgrade ? On subwoofer connections and placement, to my system, how would that work ? cheers

Hi FATS 2828

I got you mixed up with someone else regarding speaker stands. Sorry 🙁 What stands are already using?

You can use the pre out sockets (RCA - RCA cable) or the speaker terminals (speaker cables) to connect the A-S2000 to a C1 sub. Try both methods to see which one you prefer.

Room placement is something you'll have to experiment with although try and place the sub in bewtween your SCM11 monitors or to the outside of a monitor.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

[Anonymous]

Hello rick, I think they are the atacama se24,s. With the sub would that give me the scale and not the boom i,m looking for ?

Many thanks for your help. regards

 

[Joe10155]

I've recently been using my B&W ASW610 sub with my ATC 11's. For me it has helped to bring out some of the missing low notes, such as for double bass & organ music; but it has been hard to set up to get it to seamlessly integrate with the speakers; especially as I have to change it back for home theatre use when I want to watch a film.

I have thought about getting another sub but as yet am undecided as to whether I would get further improvement from a matching ATC C1 sub; assuming I could find the space (my room is 4x4m plus a bay window and is overfull with furniture already!).

 

[MUSICRAFT]

Hello rick, I think they are the atacama se24,s. With the sub would that give me the scale and not the boom i,m looking for ?

Many thanks for your help. regards

Hi FATS 2828

Your welcome.

Yes, a C1 sub will give your system added scale and provided you've set the sub up effectively then it should gel seamlessly with your SCM11's and avoid overlapping/boom. The best thing to do is to try one out in your room. Fwiw i've yet to hear a ATC sub (C1, C2, C4, C6, SCM0.1-15) 'boom' 🙂

Btw, i'll recommend that you carry on using your SE24's.

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft

 

[MUSICRAFT]

I've recently been using my B&W ASW610 sub with my ATC 11's. For me it has helped to bring out some of the missing low notes, such as for double bass & organ music; but it has been hard to set up to get it to seamlessly integrate with the speakers; especially as I have to change it back for home theatre use when I want to watch a film.

I have thought about getting another sub but as yet am undecided as to whether I would get further improvement from a matching ATC C1 sub; assuming I could find the space (my room is 4x4m plus a bay window and is overfull with furniture already!).

Hi Joe10155

I've generally found B&W subs to have a meaty/weighty presentation so it doesn't surprise me that you've found it difficult to integrate your sub seamlessly with your SCM11 monitors (which effectively have a flat and honest presentation).

I feel ATC's C1 sub will offer you an overall improvement and it will also compliment the qualities of your SCM11's nicely 🙂

All the best

Rick @ Musicraft