Question Suggestions for foundational parts of a longer term vinyl setup

[nopiano]

Presumably no better than at home, but being in a more appropriate room better enabled them to sound like they should.

It really was an ear-opening experience. Everything at home sounds fine but I know it sounds better in a difference space, so it's food for thought. It also made me realise that my room would be an absolute hellhole for any kit with bright characteristics.

My room is well carpeted and curtained, and the KEFs worked a treat. Good decision of yours I think, as you’d otherwise be swapping for fairly similar speakers at a big outlay.

 

[The_Lecht_Rocks]

Indeed, rooms have probably THE most impact.
I’ve at last found a brilliant dealer that has no qualms at all about farming out equipment regardless of cost to allow customers time to experiment at home.
Funnily enough, my home office was always the last in the chain and got the system hand me downs.
As time has moved on, certain bits and bibs have been switched about and due to the nature of the room (3.2 x 3.3m) and its square layout, the feng shui for hifi in there is perfect.
It’s become probably my favourite listening space due to the acoustics and the equipment performance.
In saying that, the big room sounds like a concert hall in comparison. 2 rather differing HiFi experiences!

 

[Amormusic]

I've just read the whole thread from start to finish. That's some rapid upgrade path. Congrats on building yourself a lovely little system.

PS: Your stepdads Technics SL1200 MK2 turntable has some worth. Likely around £500-550 if in decent condition, possibly more - look at eBay completed sale prices which vary from around five hundred quid average upwards. These are well regarded decks.

 

[Rui]

I am not looking for one...... 🙂

sorry my bad, i thought i had erased it but both coments appear, maybe i didn´t do it right

 

[Rui]

View attachment 9052straight swap possibility RTH at Peter Tyson from the Nait50 for the I9 XR. The i9XR will grip those LS50's like you can't imagine, especially if the LS50 is an ideal fit in your room !!!
might however be a bit too resolving!
but one helluva discount !

this is great, no doubt in that

 

[Rui]

Is that a Nakamichi Dragon? 🙂

didn´t understand ,the comment but, i think it´s an expression , if it was the deck didn´t make no sense, never understood why people like so much this deck or what they pay for such a problematic deck not even when new was a good deck or better say that at the end of a short period of time , it started to give problems and even less time if in the summer as high temperature was the end of it , there are far superior quality Nakamichi decks or better say , any

 

[Rui]

I think it's a false economy to judge something based on the price and the specs sheet. That little amp needs to be heard before you start touting "better" alternatives.

by looking to it´s specifications reveals how bad it is and noticed some bad options on it´s building, outputs/inputs and functions, i would never buy this or electronics don´t matter anymore to a electronic device

 

[Al ears]

by looking to it´s specifications reveals how bad it is and noticed some bad options on it´s building, outputs/inputs and functions, i would never buy this or electronics don´t matter anymore to a electronic device

It was an attempted joke on my part, nothing more

 

[RTHerringbone]

by looking to it´s specifications reveals how bad it is and noticed some bad options on it´s building, outputs/inputs and functions, i would never buy this or electronics don´t matter anymore to a electronic device

I think your view is a bit simplistic, but translation is probably a problem too.

In my case, I don't need more connectivity. I don't need the amp to have a DAC as my streamer has one. It has a great phono stage which is good for me, as my turntable doesn't have a built in one.

The only other specification not related to connectivity you'll have seen is probably the power output, and don't be deceived by that. You have to judge with your ears, not your eyes.

 

[Rui]

I think your view is a bit simplistic, but translation is probably a problem too.

In my case, I don't need more connectivity. I don't need the amp to have a DAC as my streamer has one. It has a great phono stage which is good for me, as my turntable doesn't have a built in one.

The only other specification not related to connectivity you'll have seen is probably the power output, and don't be deceived by that. You have to judge with your ears, not your eyes.

well i have already some experience with audio devices , that´s why i said it wasn´t for my taste but before i would ask to put to work anything i was going to buy but those stores are rare today

 

[Rui]

I think your view is a bit simplistic, but translation is probably a problem too.

In my case, I don't need more connectivity. I don't need the amp to have a DAC as my streamer has one. It has a great phono stage which is good for me, as my turntable doesn't have a built in one.

The only other specification not related to connectivity you'll have seen is probably the power output, and don't be deceived by that. You have to judge with your ears, not your eyes.

well the main problem is what they ask for such a device if it was cheaper would be a good amplifier as one pays what one gets, i´m waiting to test one myself as it was ordered to a store of a long time friend of mine, where for decades we test all that is in his store, speakers we put them conected to the ordered amplifiers for the buyer to see how it sounds, normally are in the store to be listened and later sold cheaper , this left there by the brand or suplier.

I just edited this comment as i judge not with my eyes but with it´s quality and price asked, specifications either than the poor options on it make it very low quality and the price asked is too high for what is ofered, i would just refer to it´s din type in/output that in today´s hi-fi world don´t make any sense, if it had a friendly price would be aceptable.

Seen a lot of components with very low quality being sold by a lot of money, can also give an example, i think pro-ject is a stealing brand, a person who for a lot of years didn´t had record player at home, bought for a very high price a pro-ject turntable looking like some better signature turntables,

but made with bit´s of plastic(MDF), also a phono tube pre-amplifier for it, a amplifier and speakers made of kevlar, the woofers, all from pro-ject , only the turntable excluding the cartridge was priced 1.000€ around 5 years ago, i bought all 3 years ago this summer, for 150€

just to play with it or i would never have anything from this horrible brand, more or less in 2020 a friend who as all good turntables known to men he told me that he was going to buy a pro-ject turntable, to what i replyed that it wouldn´t be possible,

but he did it for my surprise only the turntable was their most expensive model and the cartridge cost more than the turntable, in total he spent 14.000€ ,well i would never buy it any 70´s technics is better, for no reason most of them still work without any restoring done,

this pro-ject will never work for 40 to 50 years, it´s an example of what is being done today in the hi-fi world, some talk about evolution but evolution was only reduce the production cost and sell it excessivelly expensive,

that´s what i see in devices like this," built in DAC..." does it need one, a amplifier, or is it the streamer so good that explains it´s cost. Also couldn´t find any for the reduced price refered here.

 

[Rui]

Welcome to the dark side 😈 I’m 43, been collecting vinyl since my teenage years. I still love listening to it.

There’s a slight problem with your plan: a turntable with built in phono stage still needs an amplifier. You could run a turntable like that into your Sonos as it’s a powered speaker, but you’ll be missing out on the real joy of listening in stereo.

Two options:
1. buy a turntable & an amp. Something like the Marantz PM6007 is an excellent starting point & has a good phono stage. At around £500 you can easily afford the Rega P1 plus cables etc & connect your monitor audio speakers.
2. Keep it super simple & look at this all-in-one package, which I think costs about £999 https://www.rega.co.uk/products/Rega-System-One

i totally agree, but even better a technics refurbished and looking new from any 70´s year a second hand amplifier also restored from the 70´s preference, due to excelent quality sound and good phono stages and speakers ,some recent model in second hand ,

if the amplifier is from the 70´s , the SB-F3 from technics sound really good i test them with several 70´s receivers or amplifiers and all sounded really good,

but newer not expensive good speakers will sing also, about a cartridge ,2mred is out of the question as it sounds really bad with any turntable,

the grado prestige II gold are being sold cheaper and sound amazing good in comparison only a preamplifier is needed,
if finding a 207C , 70´s cartridges, suplied with a lot of technics turntables , great sound and no need for pre-amplifier most of the older cartridges have loud sound enough to not use a pre-amplifier,

substitution needles EPS-270ED but cheap ones are badly built , i´ve bought already two new substitution needles for prices around 90 to 110€ with a well built tip,

watched it with a binocular lenses , the devices in use to see rocks comming from Mars,

the first sugestion with new material is good ,only i would never buy a rega P1 ,with the same money i would buy a better turntable on ebay, technics is always a good option as they are more common but other brands have very good turntables,

if wanting to buy new the first sugestion is good (allthough the P1,hum!!!), there is the gold note pianosa that surprised me, maybe a litle more expensive than the P1, also the suplied gold note cartridge is fine,

only i saw some thorens new turntables and if low budget i would buy the TD202 or 402, at least is not a Rega or Pro-Ject and used to be the best, the thorens turntables in any decade

 

[Rui]

I've just read the whole thread from start to finish. That's some rapid upgrade path. Congrats on building yourself a lovely little system.

PS: Your stepdads Technics SL1200 MK2 turntable has some worth. Likely around £500-550 if in decent condition, possibly more - look at eBay completed sale prices which vary from around five hundred quid average upwards. These are well regarded decks.

just want to add that i tried almost all SL-1200after the mk II that i had two, all are worth as they become more modern the better built is without a doubt the MK II (also the first with this known configuration), threw one of mine from my balcony(2nd floor equivalent) to a street paved with stone ,next day at 15.00h with a terrible hangover i didn´t even remenber throwing it away at that time, but went to get it, thinking it would be destroyd ,well the cover that was in the turntable broke ,nothing else, not saying to do the same but for sure the most recent model would be reduced to bit´s, i sold them for that value but after 2010 they increased a lot.
If having a SL-1200 mk II all bellow 4.000€ or a bit less are not half of it, so enjoy those old technics built like a tank and no issues with them, about the cartridge, it used to be easy, if not sounding several times better than the cd player isn´t good

 

[RTHerringbone]

Replying to a post that's over four months old on a thread where the opening poster has been buying and selling like an idiot is a bit late to the party.

 

[Rui]

Replying to a post that's over four months old on a thread where the opening poster has been buying and selling like an idiot is a bit late to the party.

i got confused ,only noticed it after writting it, but it´s a bit confusing

 

[RTHerringbone]

And I bought one of those dreadful modern Rega turntables! 😲

 

[Al ears]

And I bought one of those dreadful modern Rega turntables! 😲

Good. Just don't try lobbing it out of a second floor window.... 😎