Stereo Integrated Amplifier

[Igor Rossi]

Hello,

I can find very few reviews of Yamaha AS2100,

has someone tried it? How does it performed against Award winners at that price point?

Thanks,
regards

Igor

 

[TrevC]

Just buy it, you can't go wrong. Subjective reviews are usually fanciful mind fluff.

 

[SteveR750]

Yeah, just buy it. How it sounds is unimportant.

Just buy it, you can't go wrong. Subjective reviews are usually fanciful mind fluff.

You don't half write some crap at times.

 

[Frank Harvey]

Igor - what speakers are you using?

How the amplifier sounds and performs is very important, particularly the pairing with the speakers.

 

[Romulus]

Igor, This amplifier looks very appealing in an old fashion way, lets hope the sound quality matches it's good looks. Out of curiosity why are you interested in this particular amplifier as oppose to other amplifiers in the same price range?

 

[Romulus]

Igor, This amplifier looks very appealing in an old fashion way, lets hope the sound quality matches it's good looks. Out of curiosity why are you interested in this particular amplifier as oppose to other amplifiers in the same price range?

 

[TrevC]

Yeah, just buy it. How it sounds is unimportant.

Just buy it, you can't go wrong. Subjective reviews are usually fanciful mind fluff.

You don't half write some crap at times.

Pot and kettle.

One person says a given amplifier sounds muffled and closed in, another says it's bright sounding so shouldn't be partnered with bright speakers, yet another goes on about synergy, whatever that is. Mind fluff. It will sound almost identical to any other modern well designed amplifier, and comments like those impart no information at all.

 

[TrevC]

Igor - what speakers are you using?

How the amplifier sounds and performs is very important, particularly the pairing with the speakers.

The speakers are important because they all sound very different. Amplifiers, not so much, unless you go with weedy valve amplifiers.

 

[rainsoothe]

1. WHF, screw your spam filter. Seriously. How hard can THAT be to fix?

2. Trev C - how about "Don't listen to reviews, listen to the amp and buy it if you like it, don't if you don't."? Just telling him to buy it 'cause YOU say it's ok is... ironic to say the least.

 

[matt49]

Just buy it, you can't go wrong. Subjective reviews are usually fanciful mind fluff.

It costs £1700! Surely you can suggest something cheaper that would do the job just as well.

 

[chebby]

It looks great in a 1970s retro fashion, it has meters (how can they be resisted?) It's probably built like a cross between a Swiss watch and a tank. Hi-fi News & Record Review rated it very highly in their review of it. It also has those trademark gloss lacquered wooden ends (another nice 1970s Yamaha flourish).

The specs would suggest it has enough power for any non-destructive, domestic volume levels (between 105 Watts @ 8 Ohms and 220 Watts @ 2 Ohms).

If I had your budget, and if I liked separates, I would certainly have it on my shortlist.

 

[drummerman]

Igor - what speakers are you using?

How the amplifier sounds and performs is very important, particularly the pairing with the speakers.

The speakers are important because they all sound very different. Amplifiers, not so much, unless you go with weedy valve amplifiers.

I was just about to disagree with you when I saw the 'not so much'.

True, differences with amplifiers are (usually) not as pronounced as with different speakers but imho they still vary widely.

Now I know the old 'if all else is equal, level matched' etc but real world music listening isn't like that and the amplifier-speaker interface is arguably the most difficult on the get right (after the speaker-room one probably).

Speaker loads, amplifier output impendance, electrical damping, distortion, input sensitivity (hello Vladimir) etc etc all will make a difference and they can be plain audible.

I would say you could just go active and be done with it but that is no more true than all amplifiers sound the same.

Happy weekend everyone x

 

[FennerMachine]

Very nice looking amp with good specs. Demo one to be sure you like it.

I might demo one myself next week. Maybe a better idea than a valve amp at similar cost?

As has been said, what amplifier would those who say all amps sound the same when level matched and operating within limits recommend?

 

[radiorog]

@trev c , Completely untrue. My old rega brio r, and my now roksan k2bt.....sound COMPLETELY different when it comes to living with one. Sure, the midrange presentation is similar, but the bass presentation couldn't be much more different....completely different sound....fact.

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Very nice looking amp with good specs. Demo one to be sure you like it.

I might demo one myself next week. Maybe a better idea than a valve amp at similar cost?

As has been said, what amplifier would those who say all amps sound the same when level matched and operating within limits recommend?

The Marantz pm6005.... He could get 9 for that price....

 

[TrevC]

What is bass presentation?

 

[radiorog]

Its my term for the way bass is presented in the overall sound of something. In the brio r there was some bass, but it wasn't strong enough to sound natural...ie: the way the music was intended to be heard/the way the music sounded when recorded. With the roksan, it sounds more natural, and the bass is present, like it is when you are listening to a band live. It is not just a bit stronger,the bass, but vastly stronger, and therefore these amps can be described as sounding completely different in presentation. To my ears anyway.

 

[chebby]

Its my term for the way bass is presented in the overall sound of something. In the brio r there was some bass, but it wasn't strong enough to sound natural...ie: the way the music was intended to be heard/the way the music sounded when recorded. With the roksan, it sounds more natural, and the bass is present, like it is when you are listening to a band live. It is not just a bit stronger,the bass, but vastly stronger, and therefore these amps can be described as sounding completely different in presentation. To my ears anyway.

Hardly suprising given that the K2 BT can chuck 250 Watts per channel into your 4 Ohm Dynaudios and the Rega can only manage 73 Watts.

(And the fact that the K2 BT was twice the price of the little Brio R.)

Not really a very 'level playing field'.

 

[FennerMachine]

But chebby, surely if both amps are level matched and run at a level where neither is clipping then that makes a level playing field? (Just to clarify, that was sarcasm, I agree with you).

 

[TrevC]

The Brio was probably being pushed too hard. According to Stereophile it was only adequate.

 

[Thompsonuxb]

 Its my term for the way bass is presented in the overall sound of something. In the brio r there was some bass, but it wasn't strong enough to sound natural...ie: the way the music was intended to be heard/the way the music sounded when recorded. With the roksan, it sounds more natural, and the bass is present, like it is when you are listening to a band live. It is not just a bit stronger,the bass, but vastly stronger, and therefore these amps can be described as sounding completely different in presentation. To my ears anyway.?

Hardly suprising given that the K2 BT can chuck 250 Watts per channel into your  4 Ohm Dynaudios and the Rega can only manage 73 Watts.

(And the fact that the K2 BT was twice the price of the little Brio R.)

Not really a very 'level playing field'.

But it affirms what he says - they do not sound the same.

According to some there should be no difference.

 

[FennerMachine]

The Brio was probably being pushed too hard. According to Stereophile it was only adequate.

Interesting read. On page two it explained that some things are not measurable and could account for perceived differences between amplifiers. (Paraphrasing)

 

[lindsayt]

The speakers are important because they all sound very different. Amplifiers, not so much, unless you go with weedy valve amplifiers.

...which sound more realistic if you don't need lots of power or high damping factor.

 

[TrevC]

Its my term for the way bass is presented in the overall sound of something. In the brio r there was some bass, but it wasn't strong enough to sound natural...ie: the way the music was intended to be heard/the way the music sounded when recorded. With the roksan, it sounds more natural, and the bass is present, like it is when you are listening to a band live. It is not just a bit stronger,the bass, but vastly stronger, and therefore these amps can be described as sounding completely different in presentation. To my ears anyway.

Hardly suprising given that the K2 BT can chuck 250 Watts per channel into your 4 Ohm Dynaudios and the Rega can only manage 73 Watts.

(And the fact that the K2 BT was twice the price of the little Brio R.)

Not really a very 'level playing field'.

But it affirms what he says - they do not sound the same.

According to some there should be no difference.

Not me, I insist on similar output power ratings. If I didn't the likes of you would say that I say a Roberts radio sounds like a Bryston.

 

[TrevC]

The speakers are important because they all sound very different. Amplifiers, not so much, unless you go with weedy valve amplifiers.

...which sound more realistic if you don't need lots of power or high damping factor.

Some do say that, yes. But then they spoil their argument by using a rubbishy distortion riddled SET amplifier.