As well as repeating falsehoods about our ratings, SC also neglected the fact that I had stated our opinion - back on page 1 of this thread - re the relative positioning of the two players concerned AND the fact we're planning a Group Test. Sigh....
professorhat:
Hi Jase,
Yup, understand you're asking here for their opinion and no issue with that, my post wasn't really directed at you. It's those who insist that the ratings system must change so they can see exactly which is better than what just from the score awarded. I'm just questioning the motives of this as, surely the only benefit it can bring is someone can say "Well this got 84% and this got 82% so I don't need to audition, I will just buy the 84% model".
Pleased to be proved wrong, but please let me know what other benefit this would bring?
Ye i know Prof, i didnt take it personally i was just making my own further point to what you had said, i just think at the end of the day even though WHSV do recommend fantastic products as lets face it its there job, i still think for those people who your referring to should do there own demos we get it all the time at the shop were people bring in there own blurays & set up the tvs as to were they want em callibrated, weve even had some older customers that even want the sofa moving to a certain position & whilst there taking this action they also request a cup of tea !!
Hi Jase,
Yup, understand you're asking here for their opinion and no issue with that, my post wasn't really directed at you. It's those who insist that the ratings system must change so they can see exactly which is better than what just from the score awarded. I'm just questioning the motives of this as, surely the only benefit it can bring is someone can say "Well this got 84% and this got 82% so I don't need to audition, I will just buy the 84% model".
Pleased to be proved wrong, but please let me know what other benefit this would bring?
Ye i know Prof, i didnt take it personally i was just making my own further point to what you had said, i just think at the end of the day even though WHSV do recommend fantastic products as lets face it its there job, i still think for those people who your referring to should do there own demos we get it all the time at the shop were people bring in there own blurays & set up the tvs as to were they want em callibrated, weve even had some older customers that even want the sofa moving to a certain position & whilst there taking this action they also request a cup of tea !!
professorhat:
Hi Jase,
Yup, understand you're asking here for their opinion and no issue with that, my post wasn't really directed at you. It's those who insist that the ratings system must change so they can see exactly which is better than what just from the score awarded. I'm just questioning the motives of this as, surely the only benefit it can bring is someone can say "Well this got 84% and this got 82% so I don't need to audition, I will just buy the 84% model".
Pleased to be proved wrong, but please let me know what other benefit this would bring?
I used to do most of my buying from my local Audio T and would use What HiFi as a guide as to what was available at what price and best performance (much to the store manager's disgust). Products that they had instore on demo I was able to take home and test side by side before deciding what to buy. Unfortunately for them, along came the internet with most hifi being sold online with huge discounts over what I could buy instore. No longer could they, or didn't want to match these prices and provide the same service, quite understandable as their overheads are higher.
This is where a magazine like What HiFi really comes into it's own, because people will quite often be buying from the interent without testing or seeing the product other than in the magazine. This is why perhaps it would be beneficial to have percentage differences to help the reader differentiate what is best in the most important areas to them.
Surely What HiFi should be pleased that people rely on their expertise to that degree, wanting more detailed comparisons is just a sign of the times that more people are buying online and value the magazine to make an informed choice on what to buy. I've spent thousands over the years (don't let me missus read this), mostly on products recommended by What HifI and for the most part I've have been happy that I've got the best product for me, but I'm inclined to agree that a clearer percentage based system on different areas of performance would be beneficial. Trouble is I guess, it's easy to lose one star off a product when a new and better one becomes available at a similar price, but takes a bit more thought to adjust percentages.
P.S. What HiFi Team - loved the One Make Blu-Ray System test in the March issue (even though there were no percentages).
Hi Jase,
Yup, understand you're asking here for their opinion and no issue with that, my post wasn't really directed at you. It's those who insist that the ratings system must change so they can see exactly which is better than what just from the score awarded. I'm just questioning the motives of this as, surely the only benefit it can bring is someone can say "Well this got 84% and this got 82% so I don't need to audition, I will just buy the 84% model".
Pleased to be proved wrong, but please let me know what other benefit this would bring?
I used to do most of my buying from my local Audio T and would use What HiFi as a guide as to what was available at what price and best performance (much to the store manager's disgust). Products that they had instore on demo I was able to take home and test side by side before deciding what to buy. Unfortunately for them, along came the internet with most hifi being sold online with huge discounts over what I could buy instore. No longer could they, or didn't want to match these prices and provide the same service, quite understandable as their overheads are higher.
This is where a magazine like What HiFi really comes into it's own, because people will quite often be buying from the interent without testing or seeing the product other than in the magazine. This is why perhaps it would be beneficial to have percentage differences to help the reader differentiate what is best in the most important areas to them.
Surely What HiFi should be pleased that people rely on their expertise to that degree, wanting more detailed comparisons is just a sign of the times that more people are buying online and value the magazine to make an informed choice on what to buy. I've spent thousands over the years (don't let me missus read this), mostly on products recommended by What HifI and for the most part I've have been happy that I've got the best product for me, but I'm inclined to agree that a clearer percentage based system on different areas of performance would be beneficial. Trouble is I guess, it's easy to lose one star off a product when a new and better one becomes available at a similar price, but takes a bit more thought to adjust percentages.
P.S. What HiFi Team - loved the One Make Blu-Ray System test in the March issue (even though there were no percentages).
RobGardner
Well-known member
I like the simplicity of the 5 star rating system which cuts through the chaff much more quickly than a % system. It also has better marketing opportunites as an endorsement logo with it's strong visual aspect.
The main reason for the response however, is whatever system you use for measuring the relative performance of a device, you can only compare with what is currently available. In 1943 a Spitfire would get 5 stars as a front line fighter aircraft, by 1945 it was probably only 3 stars and by 1950, well who knows!
I have a Panasonic BD30 and a Denon DVD2500 (long story!), sure the Denon has got a better picture and better sound, but do you know what happens when I am watching any half decent movie? I forget which one I am watching!
The main reason for the response however, is whatever system you use for measuring the relative performance of a device, you can only compare with what is currently available. In 1943 a Spitfire would get 5 stars as a front line fighter aircraft, by 1945 it was probably only 3 stars and by 1950, well who knows!
I have a Panasonic BD30 and a Denon DVD2500 (long story!), sure the Denon has got a better picture and better sound, but do you know what happens when I am watching any half decent movie? I forget which one I am watching!
Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards.
Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
pete321:This is where a magazine like What HiFi really comes into it's own, because people will quite often be buying from the interent without testing or seeing the product other than in the magazine. This is why perhaps it would be beneficial to have percentage differences to help the reader differentiate what is best in the most important areas to them.
OK, few points to cover here:
First, no plans at the moment to change the star rating system. It's only shorthand for the rest of the review, which if you read it - as opposed to just glancing at the stars, as it seems some people - will give you a fuller picture of what we feel to be the strengths and weaknesses of the product.
Second, we'd never advise anyone to buy without trying the product for themselves. Any review is only an opinion.
pete321:Surely What HiFi should be pleased that people rely on their
expertise to that degree
It's good that we're so respected, clearly, but again there is no substitute for auditioning the products for yourself.
pete321:it's easy to lose
one star off a product when a new and better one becomes available at a
similar price, but takes a bit more thought to adjust percentages.
Not really - for drop one star read drop 20% - work of a moment.
As I noted in the other endless thread about percentages, I get the feeling most of those percentage figures used in other magazines in all market sectors are pretty arbitrary, and conjured out of thin air.
They just look more scientific, which is a nice illusion if you can carry it off.
OK, few points to cover here:
First, no plans at the moment to change the star rating system. It's only shorthand for the rest of the review, which if you read it - as opposed to just glancing at the stars, as it seems some people - will give you a fuller picture of what we feel to be the strengths and weaknesses of the product.
Second, we'd never advise anyone to buy without trying the product for themselves. Any review is only an opinion.
pete321:Surely What HiFi should be pleased that people rely on their
expertise to that degree
It's good that we're so respected, clearly, but again there is no substitute for auditioning the products for yourself.
pete321:it's easy to lose
one star off a product when a new and better one becomes available at a
similar price, but takes a bit more thought to adjust percentages.
Not really - for drop one star read drop 20% - work of a moment.
As I noted in the other endless thread about percentages, I get the feeling most of those percentage figures used in other magazines in all market sectors are pretty arbitrary, and conjured out of thin air.
They just look more scientific, which is a nice illusion if you can carry it off.
jase fox:Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards.
Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Jase Fox, since you seem to have been using the 2500BT for a while, how do you find the CD playback on this unit (let's say compared to the stand alone CD player you have in your set up). I am very tempted by the 599£ offer for the 2500 that some retailers are doing. I only have enough founds for 1 upgrade at the moment (well, if I had more, i would also get a stand-alone CD player, since I do 50% music/50% video).
I currently have a PS3 (on which I see more and more shortcomings), Yamaha DSP-Z7, Dali Ikon 6 5.1, and Chord Carn. SilverScreen.
Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Jase Fox, since you seem to have been using the 2500BT for a while, how do you find the CD playback on this unit (let's say compared to the stand alone CD player you have in your set up). I am very tempted by the 599£ offer for the 2500 that some retailers are doing. I only have enough founds for 1 upgrade at the moment (well, if I had more, i would also get a stand-alone CD player, since I do 50% music/50% video).
I currently have a PS3 (on which I see more and more shortcomings), Yamaha DSP-Z7, Dali Ikon 6 5.1, and Chord Carn. SilverScreen.
jase fox:Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards. Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Why not get a Pioneer 6090 or Krp - 600A? Panasonic make brilliant huge Tv's
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Why not get a Pioneer 6090 or Krp - 600A? Panasonic make brilliant huge Tv's
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
jase fox:Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards. Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Why not get a Pioneer 6090 or Krp - 600A? Panasonic make brilliant huge Tv's
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Why not get a Pioneer 6090 or Krp - 600A? Panasonic make brilliant huge Tv's
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Rorschach:
jase fox:Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards. Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Why not get a Pioneer 6090 or Krp - 600A? Panasonic make brilliant huge Tv's
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Yep, the pioneer is something to also consider? Anything above 50" will do !
jase fox:Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards. Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Why not get a Pioneer 6090 or Krp - 600A? Panasonic make brilliant huge Tv's
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Yep, the pioneer is something to also consider? Anything above 50" will do !
EMSKY1:
jase fox:Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards.
Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Jase Fox, since you seem to have been using the 2500BT for a while, how do you find the CD playback on this unit (let's say compared to the stand alone CD player you have in your set up). I am very tempted by the 599£ offer for the 2500 that some retailers are doing. I only have enough founds for 1 upgrade at the moment (well, if I had more, i would also get a stand-alone CD player, since I do 50% music/50% video).
I currently have a PS3 (on which I see more and more shortcomings), Yamaha DSP-Z7, Dali Ikon 6 5.1, and Chord Carn. SilverScreen.
I find the cd playback of the Denon is very very good, however doing an a/b comparison between this & my Arcam i still prefer the latter as the sound is more open with abit more bass weight with the Arcam, but if i didnt have a standalone cd player id be happy with the performance of the denon thats for sure, its only when you compare it with a dedicated cd player you notice your little differences.
jase fox:Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards.
Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Jase Fox, since you seem to have been using the 2500BT for a while, how do you find the CD playback on this unit (let's say compared to the stand alone CD player you have in your set up). I am very tempted by the 599£ offer for the 2500 that some retailers are doing. I only have enough founds for 1 upgrade at the moment (well, if I had more, i would also get a stand-alone CD player, since I do 50% music/50% video).
I currently have a PS3 (on which I see more and more shortcomings), Yamaha DSP-Z7, Dali Ikon 6 5.1, and Chord Carn. SilverScreen.
I find the cd playback of the Denon is very very good, however doing an a/b comparison between this & my Arcam i still prefer the latter as the sound is more open with abit more bass weight with the Arcam, but if i didnt have a standalone cd player id be happy with the performance of the denon thats for sure, its only when you compare it with a dedicated cd player you notice your little differences.
Thanks Jase for your feedback. I will go the BLuray player first, and invest in a stand CD player later .
EMSKY1:Thanks Jase for your feedback. I will go the BLuray player first, and invest in a stand CD player later .Your very welcome Emsky, & what your going to do is a good move.
jase fox:Rorschach:
jase fox:Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards. Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Why not get a Pioneer 6090 or Krp - 600A? Panasonic make brilliant huge Tv's
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Yep, the pioneer is something to also consider? Anything above 50" will do !
You have a lot of money. I know i would if i was in your position, why not go the whole hog.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
jase fox:Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards. Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Why not get a Pioneer 6090 or Krp - 600A? Panasonic make brilliant huge Tv's
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Yep, the pioneer is something to also consider? Anything above 50" will do !
You have a lot of money. I know i would if i was in your position, why not go the whole hog.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Rorschach:jase fox:Rorschach:
jase fox:Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards. Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Why not get a Pioneer 6090 or Krp - 600A? Panasonic make brilliant huge Tv's
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Yep, the pioneer is something to also consider? Anything above 50" will do !
You have a lot of money. I know i would if i was in your position, why not go the whole hog.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
I wish !! Unfortunately i dont have a lot of money, this is purely just wishful thinking on my part.
jase fox:Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards. Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Why not get a Pioneer 6090 or Krp - 600A? Panasonic make brilliant huge Tv's
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Yep, the pioneer is something to also consider? Anything above 50" will do !
You have a lot of money. I know i would if i was in your position, why not go the whole hog.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
I wish !! Unfortunately i dont have a lot of money, this is purely just wishful thinking on my part.
jase fox:Rorschach:jase fox:Rorschach:
jase fox:Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards. Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Why not get a Pioneer 6090 or Krp - 600A? Panasonic make brilliant huge Tv's
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Yep, the pioneer is something to also consider? Anything above 50" will do !
You have a lot of money. I know i would if i was in your position, why not go the whole hog.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
I wish !! Unfortunately i dont have a lot of money, this is purely just wishful thinking on my part.
Ahh well, happy AV/HiFi dreams .
Vi Ver Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach
jase fox:Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards. Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Why not get a Pioneer 6090 or Krp - 600A? Panasonic make brilliant huge Tv's
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Yep, the pioneer is something to also consider? Anything above 50" will do !
You have a lot of money. I know i would if i was in your position, why not go the whole hog.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
I wish !! Unfortunately i dont have a lot of money, this is purely just wishful thinking on my part.
Ahh well, happy AV/HiFi dreams .
Vi Ver Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach
Rorschach:jase fox:Rorschach:jase fox:Rorschach:
jase fox:Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards. Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Why not get a Pioneer 6090 or Krp - 600A? Panasonic make brilliant huge Tv's
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Yep, the pioneer is something to also consider? Anything above 50" will do !
You have a lot of money. I know i would if i was in your position, why not go the whole hog.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
I wish !! Unfortunately i dont have a lot of money, this is purely just wishful thinking on my part.
Ahh well, happy AV/HiFi dreams .
Vi Ver Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach
Exactly Rorschach !
jase fox:Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards. Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Why not get a Pioneer 6090 or Krp - 600A? Panasonic make brilliant huge Tv's
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Yep, the pioneer is something to also consider? Anything above 50" will do !
You have a lot of money. I know i would if i was in your position, why not go the whole hog.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
I wish !! Unfortunately i dont have a lot of money, this is purely just wishful thinking on my part.
Ahh well, happy AV/HiFi dreams .
Vi Ver Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach
Exactly Rorschach !
jase fox:Rorschach:jase fox:Rorschach:jase fox:Rorschach:
jase fox:Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards. Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Why not get a Pioneer 6090 or Krp - 600A? Panasonic make brilliant huge Tv's
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Yep, the pioneer is something to also consider? Anything above 50" will do !
You have a lot of money. I know i would if i was in your position, why not go the whole hog.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
I wish !! Unfortunately i dont have a lot of money, this is purely just wishful thinking on my part.
Ahh well, happy AV/HiFi dreams .
Vi Ver Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach
Exactly Rorschach !
How far till Blu - Ray players will start to look unnatural do you think? I don't know if any will let this happen though, it'll be pretty hard to beat the sony, they are the pioneers of Blu - Ray after all. I suppose we'll wait and see.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
jase fox:Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards. Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Why not get a Pioneer 6090 or Krp - 600A? Panasonic make brilliant huge Tv's
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Yep, the pioneer is something to also consider? Anything above 50" will do !
You have a lot of money. I know i would if i was in your position, why not go the whole hog.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
I wish !! Unfortunately i dont have a lot of money, this is purely just wishful thinking on my part.
Ahh well, happy AV/HiFi dreams .
Vi Ver Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach
Exactly Rorschach !
How far till Blu - Ray players will start to look unnatural do you think? I don't know if any will let this happen though, it'll be pretty hard to beat the sony, they are the pioneers of Blu - Ray after all. I suppose we'll wait and see.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Rorschach:jase fox:Rorschach:jase fox:Rorschach:jase fox:Rorschach:
jase fox:Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards. Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Why not get a Pioneer 6090 or Krp - 600A? Panasonic make brilliant huge Tv's
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Yep, the pioneer is something to also consider? Anything above 50" will do !
You have a lot of money. I know i would if i was in your position, why not go the whole hog.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
I wish !! Unfortunately i dont have a lot of money, this is purely just wishful thinking on my part.
Ahh well, happy AV/HiFi dreams .
Vi Ver Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach
Exactly Rorschach !
How far till Blu - Ray players will start to look unnatural do you think? I don't know if any will let this happen though, it'll be pretty hard to beat the sony, they are the pioneers of Blu - Ray after all. I suppose we'll wait and see.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
To be honest Rorschach, i want to see a player come out thats totally reliable as opposed to great pic quality, alot of em have freezing issues, wont play certain discs etc, a player can produce the prettiest picture it likes but thats all to waste if it wont play the discs , even if i could afford the new sony right now i wouldnt buy it until it gets a "clean" bill of health.
When the Pioneer LX70 first came out it was rated the best for pic & audio quality & yes i agree it was, but i had loads of issues with freezing on that , sometimes it wouldnt even eject the discs, & even now with my denon that took over from the pioneer has had some freezing issues (that have been successfully sorted) but issues all the same , im going to leave it for at least another year before i even "think" about upgrading, hopefully then freezing will be a thing of the past !!!
jase fox:Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards. Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Why not get a Pioneer 6090 or Krp - 600A? Panasonic make brilliant huge Tv's
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Yep, the pioneer is something to also consider? Anything above 50" will do !
You have a lot of money. I know i would if i was in your position, why not go the whole hog.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
I wish !! Unfortunately i dont have a lot of money, this is purely just wishful thinking on my part.
Ahh well, happy AV/HiFi dreams .
Vi Ver Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach
Exactly Rorschach !
How far till Blu - Ray players will start to look unnatural do you think? I don't know if any will let this happen though, it'll be pretty hard to beat the sony, they are the pioneers of Blu - Ray after all. I suppose we'll wait and see.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
To be honest Rorschach, i want to see a player come out thats totally reliable as opposed to great pic quality, alot of em have freezing issues, wont play certain discs etc, a player can produce the prettiest picture it likes but thats all to waste if it wont play the discs , even if i could afford the new sony right now i wouldnt buy it until it gets a "clean" bill of health.
When the Pioneer LX70 first came out it was rated the best for pic & audio quality & yes i agree it was, but i had loads of issues with freezing on that , sometimes it wouldnt even eject the discs, & even now with my denon that took over from the pioneer has had some freezing issues (that have been successfully sorted) but issues all the same , im going to leave it for at least another year before i even "think" about upgrading, hopefully then freezing will be a thing of the past !!!
jase fox:Rorschach:jase fox:Rorschach:jase fox:Rorschach:jase fox:Rorschach:
jase fox:Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards. Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Why not get a Pioneer 6090 or Krp - 600A? Panasonic make brilliant huge Tv's
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Yep, the pioneer is something to also consider? Anything above 50" will do !
You have a lot of money. I know i would if i was in your position, why not go the whole hog.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
I wish !! Unfortunately i dont have a lot of money, this is purely just wishful thinking on my part.
Ahh well, happy AV/HiFi dreams .
Vi Ver Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach
Exactly Rorschach !
How far till Blu - Ray players will start to look unnatural do you think? I don't know if any will let this happen though, it'll be pretty hard to beat the sony, they are the pioneers of Blu - Ray after all. I suppose we'll wait and see.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
To be honest Rorschach, i want to see a player come out thats totally reliable as opposed to great pic quality, alot of em have freezing issues, wont play certain discs etc, a player can produce the prettiest picture it likes but thats all to waste if it wont play the discs , even if i could afford the new sony right now i wouldnt buy it until it gets a "clean" bill of health. When the Pioneer LX70 first came out it was rated the best for pic & audio quality & yes i agree it was, but i had loads of issues with freezing on that , sometimes it wouldnt even eject the discs, & even now with my denon that took over from the pioneer has had some freezing issues (that have been successfully sorted) but issues all the same , im going to leave it for at least another year before i even "think" about upgrading, hopefully then freezing will be a thing of the past !!!
Aaaaaarrrrghhhhhh, hope my BD - 55 doesn't freeze. Once i finally get my tv and Blu - Ray player fitted i'm not even upgrading till i hear an absolutely massive difference, there's just no point in upgrading to hear a few differences, might as well save up for a holiday or something. This freezing problem i am worrying about more and more every second is like image retention on Plasmas, it'll be gone, but not for a while.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
jase fox:Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards. Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Why not get a Pioneer 6090 or Krp - 600A? Panasonic make brilliant huge Tv's
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Yep, the pioneer is something to also consider? Anything above 50" will do !
You have a lot of money. I know i would if i was in your position, why not go the whole hog.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
I wish !! Unfortunately i dont have a lot of money, this is purely just wishful thinking on my part.
Ahh well, happy AV/HiFi dreams .
Vi Ver Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach
Exactly Rorschach !
How far till Blu - Ray players will start to look unnatural do you think? I don't know if any will let this happen though, it'll be pretty hard to beat the sony, they are the pioneers of Blu - Ray after all. I suppose we'll wait and see.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
To be honest Rorschach, i want to see a player come out thats totally reliable as opposed to great pic quality, alot of em have freezing issues, wont play certain discs etc, a player can produce the prettiest picture it likes but thats all to waste if it wont play the discs , even if i could afford the new sony right now i wouldnt buy it until it gets a "clean" bill of health. When the Pioneer LX70 first came out it was rated the best for pic & audio quality & yes i agree it was, but i had loads of issues with freezing on that , sometimes it wouldnt even eject the discs, & even now with my denon that took over from the pioneer has had some freezing issues (that have been successfully sorted) but issues all the same , im going to leave it for at least another year before i even "think" about upgrading, hopefully then freezing will be a thing of the past !!!
Aaaaaarrrrghhhhhh, hope my BD - 55 doesn't freeze. Once i finally get my tv and Blu - Ray player fitted i'm not even upgrading till i hear an absolutely massive difference, there's just no point in upgrading to hear a few differences, might as well save up for a holiday or something. This freezing problem i am worrying about more and more every second is like image retention on Plasmas, it'll be gone, but not for a while.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Rorschach:jase fox:Rorschach:jase fox:Rorschach:jase fox:Rorschach:jase fox:Rorschach:
jase fox:Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards. Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Why not get a Pioneer 6090 or Krp - 600A? Panasonic make brilliant huge Tv's
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Yep, the pioneer is something to also consider? Anything above 50" will do !
You have a lot of money. I know i would if i was in your position, why not go the whole hog.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
I wish !! Unfortunately i dont have a lot of money, this is purely just wishful thinking on my part.
Ahh well, happy AV/HiFi dreams .
Vi Ver Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach
Exactly Rorschach !
How far till Blu - Ray players will start to look unnatural do you think? I don't know if any will let this happen though, it'll be pretty hard to beat the sony, they are the pioneers of Blu - Ray after all. I suppose we'll wait and see.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
To be honest Rorschach, i want to see a player come out thats totally reliable as opposed to great pic quality, alot of em have freezing issues, wont play certain discs etc, a player can produce the prettiest picture it likes but thats all to waste if it wont play the discs , even if i could afford the new sony right now i wouldnt buy it until it gets a "clean" bill of health. When the Pioneer LX70 first came out it was rated the best for pic & audio quality & yes i agree it was, but i had loads of issues with freezing on that , sometimes it wouldnt even eject the discs, & even now with my denon that took over from the pioneer has had some freezing issues (that have been successfully sorted) but issues all the same , im going to leave it for at least another year before i even "think" about upgrading, hopefully then freezing will be a thing of the past !!!
Aaaaaarrrrghhhhhh, hope my BD - 55 doesn't freeze. Once i finally get my tv and Blu - Ray player fitted i'm not even upgrading till i hear an absolutely massive difference, there's just no point in upgrading to hear a few differences, might as well save up for a holiday or something. This freezing problem i am worrying about more and more every second is like image retention on Plasmas, it'll be gone, but not for a while.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Well i hate to be the bearer of bad news mate, but the panny 55 was doing really well as ive a friend whos got 1 but he recently got some freezing issues with these new universal BD LIVE titles, but?? it can be fixed through firmware ! Firmware is great as long as it corrects the problems, when i had the pioneer lx70a i did around 6 updates that still didnt sort the issues, load of junk !! But my denon is cured (up to now) until some other kind of disc encoding will make it freeze again no doubt? As for image retention on plasmas? i must say ive been lucky with this on my current set, when i had the panasonic 42 px600 it was a nightmare with this, but i can honestly say that this problem as been solved pretty well really, its no were near as bad as it was.
jase fox:Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards. Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Why not get a Pioneer 6090 or Krp - 600A? Panasonic make brilliant huge Tv's
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Yep, the pioneer is something to also consider? Anything above 50" will do !
You have a lot of money. I know i would if i was in your position, why not go the whole hog.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
I wish !! Unfortunately i dont have a lot of money, this is purely just wishful thinking on my part.
Ahh well, happy AV/HiFi dreams .
Vi Ver Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach
Exactly Rorschach !
How far till Blu - Ray players will start to look unnatural do you think? I don't know if any will let this happen though, it'll be pretty hard to beat the sony, they are the pioneers of Blu - Ray after all. I suppose we'll wait and see.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
To be honest Rorschach, i want to see a player come out thats totally reliable as opposed to great pic quality, alot of em have freezing issues, wont play certain discs etc, a player can produce the prettiest picture it likes but thats all to waste if it wont play the discs , even if i could afford the new sony right now i wouldnt buy it until it gets a "clean" bill of health. When the Pioneer LX70 first came out it was rated the best for pic & audio quality & yes i agree it was, but i had loads of issues with freezing on that , sometimes it wouldnt even eject the discs, & even now with my denon that took over from the pioneer has had some freezing issues (that have been successfully sorted) but issues all the same , im going to leave it for at least another year before i even "think" about upgrading, hopefully then freezing will be a thing of the past !!!
Aaaaaarrrrghhhhhh, hope my BD - 55 doesn't freeze. Once i finally get my tv and Blu - Ray player fitted i'm not even upgrading till i hear an absolutely massive difference, there's just no point in upgrading to hear a few differences, might as well save up for a holiday or something. This freezing problem i am worrying about more and more every second is like image retention on Plasmas, it'll be gone, but not for a while.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Well i hate to be the bearer of bad news mate, but the panny 55 was doing really well as ive a friend whos got 1 but he recently got some freezing issues with these new universal BD LIVE titles, but?? it can be fixed through firmware ! Firmware is great as long as it corrects the problems, when i had the pioneer lx70a i did around 6 updates that still didnt sort the issues, load of junk !! But my denon is cured (up to now) until some other kind of disc encoding will make it freeze again no doubt? As for image retention on plasmas? i must say ive been lucky with this on my current set, when i had the panasonic 42 px600 it was a nightmare with this, but i can honestly say that this problem as been solved pretty well really, its no were near as bad as it was.
jase fox:Rorschach:jase fox:Rorschach:jase fox:Rorschach:jase fox:Rorschach:jase fox:Rorschach:
jase fox:Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards. Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Why not get a Pioneer 6090 or Krp - 600A? Panasonic make brilliant huge Tv's
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Yep, the pioneer is something to also consider? Anything above 50" will do !
You have a lot of money. I know i would if i was in your position, why not go the whole hog.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
I wish !! Unfortunately i dont have a lot of money, this is purely just wishful thinking on my part.
Ahh well, happy AV/HiFi dreams .
Vi Ver Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach
Exactly Rorschach !
How far till Blu - Ray players will start to look unnatural do you think? I don't know if any will let this happen though, it'll be pretty hard to beat the sony, they are the pioneers of Blu - Ray after all. I suppose we'll wait and see.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
To be honest Rorschach, i want to see a player come out thats totally reliable as opposed to great pic quality, alot of em have freezing issues, wont play certain discs etc, a player can produce the prettiest picture it likes but thats all to waste if it wont play the discs , even if i could afford the new sony right now i wouldnt buy it until it gets a "clean" bill of health. When the Pioneer LX70 first came out it was rated the best for pic & audio quality & yes i agree it was, but i had loads of issues with freezing on that , sometimes it wouldnt even eject the discs, & even now with my denon that took over from the pioneer has had some freezing issues (that have been successfully sorted) but issues all the same , im going to leave it for at least another year before i even "think" about upgrading, hopefully then freezing will be a thing of the past !!!
Aaaaaarrrrghhhhhh, hope my BD - 55 doesn't freeze. Once i finally get my tv and Blu - Ray player fitted i'm not even upgrading till i hear an absolutely massive difference, there's just no point in upgrading to hear a few differences, might as well save up for a holiday or something. This freezing problem i am worrying about more and more every second is like image retention on Plasmas, it'll be gone, but not for a while.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Well i hate to be the bearer of bad news mate, but the panny 55 was doing really well as ive a friend whos got 1 but he recently got some freezing issues with these new universal BD LIVE titles, but?? it can be fixed through firmware ! Firmware is great as long as it corrects the problems, when i had the pioneer lx70a i did around 6 updates that still didnt sort the issues, load of junk !! But my denon is cured (up to now) until some other kind of disc encoding will make it freeze again no doubt? As for image retention on plasmas? i must say ive been lucky with this on my current set, when i had the panasonic 42 px600 it was a nightmare with this, but i can honestly say that this problem as been solved pretty well really, its no were near as bad as it was.
Which are the BD live titles? I'm going to have to watch out for updates, is the notification on the Panasonic website? Do i register my tv and player this way? We'll see if i get image retention or burn on mine, hope not. What are your favourite films, Blu - Rays etc?
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
jase fox:Rorschach:Thanks for not replying jase fox, now worries fella.Sorry Rorschach, my apologies, yes it is a factor that ive thought of, that anything 50" & under probably wouldnt really benefit, i think its when you go to a 65" & up that its going to reap rewards. Maybe that should be my next upgrade, a bigger tv !!
Why not get a Pioneer 6090 or Krp - 600A? Panasonic make brilliant huge Tv's
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Yep, the pioneer is something to also consider? Anything above 50" will do !
You have a lot of money. I know i would if i was in your position, why not go the whole hog.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
I wish !! Unfortunately i dont have a lot of money, this is purely just wishful thinking on my part.
Ahh well, happy AV/HiFi dreams .
Vi Ver Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach
Exactly Rorschach !
How far till Blu - Ray players will start to look unnatural do you think? I don't know if any will let this happen though, it'll be pretty hard to beat the sony, they are the pioneers of Blu - Ray after all. I suppose we'll wait and see.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
To be honest Rorschach, i want to see a player come out thats totally reliable as opposed to great pic quality, alot of em have freezing issues, wont play certain discs etc, a player can produce the prettiest picture it likes but thats all to waste if it wont play the discs , even if i could afford the new sony right now i wouldnt buy it until it gets a "clean" bill of health. When the Pioneer LX70 first came out it was rated the best for pic & audio quality & yes i agree it was, but i had loads of issues with freezing on that , sometimes it wouldnt even eject the discs, & even now with my denon that took over from the pioneer has had some freezing issues (that have been successfully sorted) but issues all the same , im going to leave it for at least another year before i even "think" about upgrading, hopefully then freezing will be a thing of the past !!!
Aaaaaarrrrghhhhhh, hope my BD - 55 doesn't freeze. Once i finally get my tv and Blu - Ray player fitted i'm not even upgrading till i hear an absolutely massive difference, there's just no point in upgrading to hear a few differences, might as well save up for a holiday or something. This freezing problem i am worrying about more and more every second is like image retention on Plasmas, it'll be gone, but not for a while.
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
Well i hate to be the bearer of bad news mate, but the panny 55 was doing really well as ive a friend whos got 1 but he recently got some freezing issues with these new universal BD LIVE titles, but?? it can be fixed through firmware ! Firmware is great as long as it corrects the problems, when i had the pioneer lx70a i did around 6 updates that still didnt sort the issues, load of junk !! But my denon is cured (up to now) until some other kind of disc encoding will make it freeze again no doubt? As for image retention on plasmas? i must say ive been lucky with this on my current set, when i had the panasonic 42 px600 it was a nightmare with this, but i can honestly say that this problem as been solved pretty well really, its no were near as bad as it was.
Which are the BD live titles? I'm going to have to watch out for updates, is the notification on the Panasonic website? Do i register my tv and player this way? We'll see if i get image retention or burn on mine, hope not. What are your favourite films, Blu - Rays etc?
Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici. Thanks, Rorschach.
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