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I covered the bathroom in sand trying to get it out on my first try, then I put the other stand in the bath, and didn't get any more on the floor.
All i got was a very strange comment from the GF asking me if I was a freak and did I know that if I marked the bath with the spikes etc, I was buying a new bath. Turned round, smiled and said yes dear. She walked off muttering then phoned her mate who also though I was a strange lad.
Keeps me and us all happy, so I am going to carry on haha....
All i got was a very strange comment from the GF asking me if I was a freak and did I know that if I marked the bath with the spikes etc, I was buying a new bath. Turned round, smiled and said yes dear. She walked off muttering then phoned her mate who also though I was a strange lad.
Keeps me and us all happy, so I am going to carry on haha....
haha my stands were in the bedroom, and as she was cooking and didn't want to disturb her, took them into the bathroom. She was right then, I am a freak!
potboyslim:
I covered the bathroom in sand trying to get it out on my first try, then I put the other stand in the bath, and didn't get any more on the floor.
All i got was a very strange comment from the GF asking me if I was a freak and did I know that if I marked the bath with the spikes etc, I was buying a new bath. Turned round, smiled and said yes dear. She walked off muttering then phoned her mate who also though I was a strange lad.
Keeps me and us all happy, so I am going to carry on haha....
hahaha! lol
I covered the bathroom in sand trying to get it out on my first try, then I put the other stand in the bath, and didn't get any more on the floor.
All i got was a very strange comment from the GF asking me if I was a freak and did I know that if I marked the bath with the spikes etc, I was buying a new bath. Turned round, smiled and said yes dear. She walked off muttering then phoned her mate who also though I was a strange lad.
Keeps me and us all happy, so I am going to carry on haha....
hahaha! lol
potboyslim:
haha good luck sneaking them into the house, they are damn heavy!
everyone says they are ugly, but I asked the GF which she liked best, the partington or the atacama aurora, and as I have 2 pairs in my sig, she went for the dreads. She said they look better, I was gobsmacked. Think she is a keeper
Getting them in is not the problem, it's 2 weeks later when I'm thinking I've got away with it when suddenly I get 'Hang on, where the f**k did they come from!!!!!
haha good luck sneaking them into the house, they are damn heavy!
everyone says they are ugly, but I asked the GF which she liked best, the partington or the atacama aurora, and as I have 2 pairs in my sig, she went for the dreads. She said they look better, I was gobsmacked. Think she is a keeper
Getting them in is not the problem, it's 2 weeks later when I'm thinking I've got away with it when suddenly I get 'Hang on, where the f**k did they come from!!!!!
I must say that after something like 14yrs, maybe I ought to take a look at the Atacama SE24s and the bags of sand within. It was certainly recommended that they be filled for the use of my Mission 760i speakers, if I recall correctly. Then again, it may be that I couldn't be bothered to experiment at the time.
So, I may just await the impending absence of my beloved to see whether filled, unfilled or partially filled works. I seem to remember that inserting polythene bags and filling those with sand was a good idea. I reckon putting some nice plastic sheeting down in the centre of the living room beats risking damage of the bath (never mind my back whilst getting them upstairs) or awaiting decent weather to perform outside.
There is still also Plan B: test drive Best Buy's services. Maybe something more stylish than the current stands looms on the horizon.
So, I may just await the impending absence of my beloved to see whether filled, unfilled or partially filled works. I seem to remember that inserting polythene bags and filling those with sand was a good idea. I reckon putting some nice plastic sheeting down in the centre of the living room beats risking damage of the bath (never mind my back whilst getting them upstairs) or awaiting decent weather to perform outside.
There is still also Plan B: test drive Best Buy's services. Maybe something more stylish than the current stands looms on the horizon.
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potboyslim:Hi all, I currently have my speakers on sand filled partingtons, but have read somewhere that they may like stands that are not filled.
What does everyone think, filled 3/4, or not filled? As going to pour it out is a pain and then filling them again afterwards is too.
Measure up the bottom of your speakers and see if the dimensions of these 'Something Solid XF' stands are correct....
http://www.signals.uk.com/deals.htm (scroll to the bottom of that page. They are £99)
No faffing with sand, and better looking than Partingtons. (Even my Trophy's are uggerly.)
What does everyone think, filled 3/4, or not filled? As going to pour it out is a pain and then filling them again afterwards is too.
Measure up the bottom of your speakers and see if the dimensions of these 'Something Solid XF' stands are correct....
http://www.signals.uk.com/deals.htm (scroll to the bottom of that page. They are £99)
No faffing with sand, and better looking than Partingtons. (Even my Trophy's are uggerly.)
Wow! That's some listening room - I can barely see the left-hand speaker! Nice solid three-column stands, though. Does the flame effect tend to scorch the ceiling, or is it one of those fan-driven illuminated cloth jobbies?
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If those 'Something Solid XF' stands had been the right dimensions for my speakers I would have snapped them up.
They almost look like line drawings - being made of thin section solid steel - rather than the usual fat tubes with large 'plates' on the floor.
They almost look like line drawings - being made of thin section solid steel - rather than the usual fat tubes with large 'plates' on the floor.
ESP2009:Wow! That's some listening room - I can barely see the left-hand speaker! Nice solid three-column stands, though. Does the flame effect tend to scorch the ceiling, or is it one of those fan-driven illuminated cloth jobbies?
There seems to be some spewing liquid from the right hand channel!
There seems to be some spewing liquid from the right hand channel!
Who will take the plunge and purchase the 'Something Solid XF' stands so the comparison err i mean the mexican stand off can begin.
Off to work now............
Off to work now............
While it won't help you in the comparison stakes, I have a made to measure pair under my Harbeth P3ESRs and couldn't be happier with them. The Harbeth cabinets are also a traditional thin-walled construction and the internet chatter about stands for this brand more often than not comes back to open frame low mass designs as the preferred choice.
Right then, the jury is still out on this matter. I got home this afternoon and thought I would make a start. So, I spread a ground sheet on the living room carpet and placed a decent-size washing-up bowl on it. And began to empty two Atacama stands of their sand.
Putting the sand in bags must have seemed an excellent idea all those years ago. However, a word of advice: don't! It took ages to empty out the sand through the constricted gaps! Not only that, but I had forgotten two other things: how dusty the darned stuff is (good job the OH was out) and how much sand two Atacama SE24s can hold!
Anyway, after 20 mins or so of effort I had two empty stands and a brimful bowl (plus a sandy, er, dust sheet - good job I did that!) and so repositioned the Spendors. Having previously warmed the hi-fi up, I slipped Melody Gardot's 'Who Will Comfort Me' into the tray and set her a-singing.
Now, at this point I am not completely convinced, but maybe, just maybe, that double bass is sounding that bit more natural. It was at this point that I wondered what it would sound like if I set the speakers directly on the stands, so I removed the halved squash balls and re-ran the track. As soon as the bass-line kicked in I knew the squash balls were going back in - the sound lost focus and the double bass became a more generic bass-line and slightly woolly round the edges.
I am listening to the album as I type and on empty stands it has snap, it has sparkle and life. It has the same lushness and cosy sultriness. It has everything it should (I think) have on my system.
Of course, I now have to start pouring the Atacama desert back in...you know...just to check...
Putting the sand in bags must have seemed an excellent idea all those years ago. However, a word of advice: don't! It took ages to empty out the sand through the constricted gaps! Not only that, but I had forgotten two other things: how dusty the darned stuff is (good job the OH was out) and how much sand two Atacama SE24s can hold!
Anyway, after 20 mins or so of effort I had two empty stands and a brimful bowl (plus a sandy, er, dust sheet - good job I did that!) and so repositioned the Spendors. Having previously warmed the hi-fi up, I slipped Melody Gardot's 'Who Will Comfort Me' into the tray and set her a-singing.
Now, at this point I am not completely convinced, but maybe, just maybe, that double bass is sounding that bit more natural. It was at this point that I wondered what it would sound like if I set the speakers directly on the stands, so I removed the halved squash balls and re-ran the track. As soon as the bass-line kicked in I knew the squash balls were going back in - the sound lost focus and the double bass became a more generic bass-line and slightly woolly round the edges.
I am listening to the album as I type and on empty stands it has snap, it has sparkle and life. It has the same lushness and cosy sultriness. It has everything it should (I think) have on my system.
Of course, I now have to start pouring the Atacama desert back in...you know...just to check...
ESP2009:
Right then, the jury is still out on this matter. I got home this afternoon and thought I would make a start. So, I spread a ground sheet on the living room carpet and placed a decent-size washing-up bowl on it. And began to empty two Atacama stands of their sand.
Putting the sand in bags must have seemed an excellent idea all those years ago. However, a word of advice: don't! It took ages to empty out the sand through the constricted gaps! Not only that, but I had forgotten two other things: how dusty the darned stuff is (good job the OH was out) and how much sand two Atacama SE20s can hold!
Anyway, after 20 mins or so of effort I had two empty stands and a brimful bowl (plus a sandy, er, dust sheet - good job I did that!) and so repositioned the Spendors. Having previously warmed the hi-fi up, I slipped Melody Gardot's 'Who Will Comfort Me' into the tray and set her a-singing.
Now, at this point I am not completely convinced, but maybe, just maybe, that double bass is sounding that bit more natural. It was at this point that I wondered what it would sound like if I set the speakers directly on the stands, so I removed the halved squash balls and re-ran the track. As soon as the bass-line kicked in I knew the squash balls were going back in - the sound lost focus and the double bass became a more generic bass-line and slightly woolly round the edges.
I am listening to the album as I type and on empty stands it has snap, it has sparkle and life. It has the same lushness and cosy sultriness. It has everything it should (I think) have on my system.
Of course, I now have to start pouring the Atacama desert back in...you know...just to check...
Trying to remember the reason for the bags.....nope!. Did I read you right that you use halved squash balls under your spendors? must admit I still use blu-tac
Right then, the jury is still out on this matter. I got home this afternoon and thought I would make a start. So, I spread a ground sheet on the living room carpet and placed a decent-size washing-up bowl on it. And began to empty two Atacama stands of their sand.
Putting the sand in bags must have seemed an excellent idea all those years ago. However, a word of advice: don't! It took ages to empty out the sand through the constricted gaps! Not only that, but I had forgotten two other things: how dusty the darned stuff is (good job the OH was out) and how much sand two Atacama SE20s can hold!
Anyway, after 20 mins or so of effort I had two empty stands and a brimful bowl (plus a sandy, er, dust sheet - good job I did that!) and so repositioned the Spendors. Having previously warmed the hi-fi up, I slipped Melody Gardot's 'Who Will Comfort Me' into the tray and set her a-singing.
Now, at this point I am not completely convinced, but maybe, just maybe, that double bass is sounding that bit more natural. It was at this point that I wondered what it would sound like if I set the speakers directly on the stands, so I removed the halved squash balls and re-ran the track. As soon as the bass-line kicked in I knew the squash balls were going back in - the sound lost focus and the double bass became a more generic bass-line and slightly woolly round the edges.
I am listening to the album as I type and on empty stands it has snap, it has sparkle and life. It has the same lushness and cosy sultriness. It has everything it should (I think) have on my system.
Of course, I now have to start pouring the Atacama desert back in...you know...just to check...
Trying to remember the reason for the bags.....nope!. Did I read you right that you use halved squash balls under your spendors? must admit I still use blu-tac
mitch65:Trying to remember the reason for the bags.....nope!.
The bag are a precautionary measure, if the sand is slightly damp it won't rust the inside of the stands. I had SE24's some years ago and never used the bags and the paint bubble at the bass.
Eagerly awaiting ESP's outcome........
The bag are a precautionary measure, if the sand is slightly damp it won't rust the inside of the stands. I had SE24's some years ago and never used the bags and the paint bubble at the bass.
Eagerly awaiting ESP's outcome........
shooter69:mitch65:Trying to remember the reason for the bags.....nope!.
The bag are a precautionary measure, if the sand is slightly damp it won't rust the inside of the stands. I had SE24's some years ago and never used the bags and the paint bubble at the bass.
Eagerly awaiting ESP's outcome........
Makes sense.
The bag are a precautionary measure, if the sand is slightly damp it won't rust the inside of the stands. I had SE24's some years ago and never used the bags and the paint bubble at the bass.
Eagerly awaiting ESP's outcome........
Makes sense.
mitch65:
shooter69:mitch65:Trying to remember the reason for the bags.....nope!. The bag are a precautionary measure, if the sand is slightly damp it won't rust the inside of the stands. I had SE24's some years ago and never used the bags and the paint bubble at the bass. Eagerly awaiting ESP's outcome........
Makes sense.
Ah, that would be it! Well, the sand is most certainly dry, so I won't be bothering with bags when I start the process of filling 'rm up again.
By the way, I was doing myself a disservice - they're SE24 stands, not SE20. Yes, that's more sand!
Anyway, it will be Monday before I get a chance to experiment. In the meantime I will listen sans sand.
shooter69:mitch65:Trying to remember the reason for the bags.....nope!. The bag are a precautionary measure, if the sand is slightly damp it won't rust the inside of the stands. I had SE24's some years ago and never used the bags and the paint bubble at the bass. Eagerly awaiting ESP's outcome........
Makes sense.
Ah, that would be it! Well, the sand is most certainly dry, so I won't be bothering with bags when I start the process of filling 'rm up again.
By the way, I was doing myself a disservice - they're SE24 stands, not SE20. Yes, that's more sand!
Anyway, it will be Monday before I get a chance to experiment. In the meantime I will listen sans sand.
Ok the 14 year old sand is out, at a loose end and thought why not?. More tuneful in the bassline? Yes I would say it is, i was expecting the music to resonate through the stands but it didn't so tomorrow I will start to gradually add sand.
My wife already thinks me mad so a day spent adding grains of sand to a metal post won't change that opinion much.
If anyone has any thoughts of what to replace the blu tac with, I have always avoided using spikes but if this was to be an improvement then I would
My wife already thinks me mad so a day spent adding grains of sand to a metal post won't change that opinion much.
If anyone has any thoughts of what to replace the blu tac with, I have always avoided using spikes but if this was to be an improvement then I would
I am looking forward to hering your report, especially as your first impressions of empty stands seem to mirror mine.
I recommend taking a terrible risk and splashing out on some squash balls (got a pack of three for £4.99 at JJB Sport the other day). Highly versatile little chaps - good for under speakers, under separates and for whacking against walls, I believe.
Just take care with halving - a good sharp knife (preferably not the OH's prized Sabatier!) and a steady hand (with first aid kit close-by).
May well be a step up from the BluTak. I might just try the reverse tomorrow when a certain someone is safely out and unlikely to arrange for the men in white coats!
I just wonder whether the squash balls insulate the speakers too much? Another suggestion is that of ice hockey pucks! Speaker spikes tend to be pricey in relative terms, so I've never bothered. Also I have to say that spikes seem to my mind too prone to accidents - squash balls and BluTak grip - less chance of speakers being knocked off their stands.
Your serve...
I recommend taking a terrible risk and splashing out on some squash balls (got a pack of three for £4.99 at JJB Sport the other day). Highly versatile little chaps - good for under speakers, under separates and for whacking against walls, I believe.
Just take care with halving - a good sharp knife (preferably not the OH's prized Sabatier!) and a steady hand (with first aid kit close-by).
May well be a step up from the BluTak. I might just try the reverse tomorrow when a certain someone is safely out and unlikely to arrange for the men in white coats!
Your serve...
It seems to me, the more I listen to some old favourites the more I'm of the opinion that the sand has been deadening the sound. This would be fine if it was erradicating any ringing or resonating whatever, but it does seem to deapening the sound stage. Texas' 'I don't want a lover' has more bite and the bass, while slightly lighter, is easier to follow. I can only put this down to the negative effect of sand filling and maybe it is a case of fine tuning the amount of sand you use (yeah I know, Duh).................then again it may just be a placebo effect.
Ice Hockey pucks?, squash balls? All sounds a bit too sporty to me, think I'll stick with the blu-tack for the moment, I don't need any more raised eyebrows!
Ice Hockey pucks?, squash balls? All sounds a bit too sporty to me, think I'll stick with the blu-tack for the moment, I don't need any more raised eyebrows!
What you need are two sets of stands, side-by-side, for a quick (hot) swap and direct comparison!
Thanks for the update. On current evidence, I might have to find another use for my stock of sand, too. Fortunately, I will be spared the raised eyebrows.
Happy listening.
Thanks for the update. On current evidence, I might have to find another use for my stock of sand, too. Fortunately, I will be spared the raised eyebrows.
Happy listening.
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