Sacd

[aversaurus]

It's ok thanks I won't bother

 

[plastic penguin]

It's ok thanks I won't bother

Might be worth looking for a CD37. Whether it's SACD or standard it's a very good player. Like all Arcam players they match well with Leema

 

[Al ears]

It's an interesting format however one which the cost of new media has rather killed it for all but the most dedicated.
you could seek out a second hand Marantz SACD player or even an old Sony Bluray player with SACD comparability should you wish to dip your toe in the water....

 

[aversaurus]

The idea was to give it a go down the second hand market not the first time I've had this idea with SACD .
But really the if I can't tell the difference or if I can it's in the remix of the disc with the cost of the player and the cost of the discs what's the point.
Was a fun idea while it lasted

 

[nads]

The idea was to give it a go down the second hand market not the first time I've had this idea with SACD .
But really the if I can't tell the difference or if I can it's in the remix of the disc with the cost of the player and the cost of the discs what's the point.
Was a fun idea while it lasted

Often you might not even know a disc is SACD untill you put it in the player. I have many I did not know they were. A bit like the HDCDs I have.

 

[Al ears]

Often you might not even know a disc is SACD untill you put it in the player. I have many I did not know they were. A bit like the HDCDs I have.

surely you can tell by the nature of the case or, indeed, the SACD emblem on the disc itself?

 

[nads]

surely you can tell by the nature of the case or, indeed, the SACD emblem on the disc itself?

nope.

 

[Al ears]

nope.
View attachment 3855View attachment 3856

what makes you think that's an SACD disc out of curiosity?
did it come with a DVD?
If it is I wish I could find them that cheap....

 

[Gray]

My Rasbe

I wish I could find them that cheap....

If it's Depeche Mode you probably could 👍
(Only joking Nads 😉)

.....you could probably have the band play at your house for £6.99.
(Still only joking).

 

[Sixtyten]

Can you send a digital SACD signal to a standard DAC ? Or would you not want to ?

No. The copy protection on SACD was designed specifically to prevent this. You can only output via the analogue connections or via HDMI (and that's a whole can of worms.)

 

[nads]

what makes you think that's an SACD disc out of curiosity?
did it come with a DVD?
If it is I wish I could find them that cheap....

But when i put it in the SACD player and it said it was. But the box has no mention of it and I bought it new as a CD.

 

[Al ears]

No. The copy protection on SACD was designed specifically to prevent this. You can only output via the analogue connections or via HDMI (and that's a whole can of worms.)

The I2S connection I mentioned is,in effect a glorified HDMI or so I am led to believe

 

[Al ears]

But when i put it in the SACD player and it said it was. But the box has no mention of it and I bought it new as a CD.

Lucky you the American issue of this disc came as a CD and Hydrid SACD, which was basically a CD remastered for 5.1 channel sound.
Discs like this are rare, not all are recorded to SACD spec and not all SACD discs are 5.1 channel.
Most of mine are true stereo SACD as they seem to be mastered for playback on a proper SACD player and not a home cinema Universal player.
And take no notice of @Gray , he clearly has no taste.

 

[nads]

Lucky you the American issue of this disc came as a CD and Hydrid SACD, which was basically a CD remastered for 5.1 channel sound.
Discs like this are rare, not all are recorded to SACD spec and not all SACD discs are 5.1 channel.
Most of mine are true stereo SACD as they seem to be mastered for playback on a proper SACD player and not a home cinema Universal player.
And take no notice of @Gray , he clearly has no taste.

And then there are these

 

[Al ears]

And then there are these

I have no idea what a DMCD disc is it why it should display on whatever player that is as SACD.
Without any reference as to resolution of how that data is stored on disc it is doubtful if these are true SACD discs.
As they are all Depeche Mode I would suggest they are all CDs remastered for multichannel which is why t he player shows them as SACD
On reflection DMCD simply stands for Depeche Mode CD, I will wager that are not 1bit DSD discs...

 

[Tinman1952]

No. The copy protection on SACD was designed specifically to prevent this. You can only output via the analogue connections or via HDMI (and that's a whole can of worms.)

I've posted this before on another thread but some might still be interested...
I use one of these little HDMI to I2S/SPDIF converter boxes to take the HDMI output from my Sony player and send it via I2S (over HDMI) to my SMSL M400 DAC. It gives me two channel DSD from an SACD disc. 🙂 Works fine....

HDMI/MHL to IIS I2S HDMI IIS I2S Separate Extract Audio I2S/DSD/Optical/Coaxial | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for HDMI/MHL to IIS I2S HDMI IIS I2S Separate Extract Audio I2S/DSD/Optical/Coaxial at the best online prices at eBay! Free delivery for many products.

www.ebay.co.uk

Unfortunately there is no 'standard' pin layout for I2S over HDMI but the SMSL DAC had a couple of pin options available and the second one I tried worked. Might not be the case with other DACs...
I thought it was worth a try...

 

[Al ears]

I've posted this before on another thread but some might still be interested...
I use one of these little HDMI to I2S/SPDIF converter boxes to take the HDMI output from my Sony player and send it via I2S (over HDMI) to my SMSL M400 DAC. It gives me two channel DSD from an SACD disc. 🙂 Works fine....

HDMI/MHL to IIS I2S HDMI IIS I2S Separate Extract Audio I2S/DSD/Optical/Coaxial | eBay

Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for HDMI/MHL to IIS I2S HDMI IIS I2S Separate Extract Audio I2S/DSD/Optical/Coaxial at the best online prices at eBay! Free delivery for many products.

www.ebay.co.uk

Unfortunately there is no 'standard' pin layout for I2S over HDMI but the SMSL DAC had a couple of pin options available and the second one I tried worked. Might not be the case with other DACs...
I thought it was worth a try...

a good work around but note that 'proper' SACD players do not have HDMI ports so might mean reinvesting in some new equipment to do this.

 

[Gray]

take no notice of @Gray , he clearly has no taste.

😛 Not that he cares what I think, but I actually don't mind Depeche Mode, they formed just up the road from me in 1980.
Could be the best thing that's come out of Basildon 😆

 

[Tinman1952]

😛 Not that he cares what I think, but I actually don't mind Depeche Mode, they formed just up the road from me in 1980.
Could be the best thing that's come out of Basildon 😆

I remember buying 'Speak and Spell' on vinyl in 1982 with the excellent Vince Clarke....🙂 before Yazoo and Erasure. Quite an influential LP I think......

 

[WayneKerr]

😛 Not that he cares what I think, but I actually don't mind Depeche Mode, they formed just up the road from me in 1980.
Could be the best thing that's come out of Basildon 😆

Agreed, along with Alison Moyet and Vince Clarke.

 

[manicm]

The I2S connection I mentioned is,in effect a glorified HDMI or so I am led to believe

In the bigger picture it's more than just a glorified HDMI port, as it sends out a pure DSD stream, meant to be received by a similar component which preserves the stream until the analogue output.

And I maintained the majority of universal Blu Ray players do internal PCM conversion.

 

[Gray]

I2S is available on the humble Raspberry Pi.
(In my case it goes from the main board to the add-on HAT board - used for opt / coax alternatives to its USB out).

 

[Tinman1952]

In the bigger picture it's more than just a glorified HDMI port, as it sends out a pure DSD stream, meant to be received by a similar component which preserves the stream until the analogue output.

And I maintained the majority of universal Blu Ray players do internal PCM conversion.

Let's be clear though. DOP does not 'convert' the DSD stream....it merely puts it in a PCM 'wrapper' so the receiving DAC thinks it is PCM. The internal DSD stream is still DSD......

 

[manicm]

Let's be clear though. DOP does not 'convert' the DSD stream....it merely puts it in a PCM 'wrapper' so the receiving DAC thinks it is PCM. The internal DSD stream is still DSD......

DoP is mostly used over USB, in universal players DSD is almost always converted to PCM, unless it can output the DSD stream from HDMI, which was the case of the earliest universal premium or high end players.