OLED review of the new one

[Deleted member 2457]

Get Vincent in to do yours and pay the premium - he has good experience of claibrating your set and now knows a bit of how to set one up, which is priceless

Cant buy experience - I think calibration will make as much difference as it always does - like having a new tv all over again every time when done right

Vincent calibrated the same results as Jules from memory, and I have a discount with Jules so I think I will stick with Jules. Cheers.

 

[ellisdj]

its all the same results thats calibrated to, its experience with your panel / tv that would attract me with Vincent but dont shoot the messnager I know how you are

 

[bigboss]

Vincent did tell me that Jules is a very good calibrator when I spoke to him at the TV shootout.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

its all the same results thats calibrated to, its experience with your panel / tv that would attract me with Vincent but dont shoot the messnager I know how you are

*smile*. How about Man of Steel with the faces being a little pale once calibrated and too red if not, what do you think? Cheers

 

[bigboss]

Even Jules has experience of calibrating the OLED that gel has.

Jules posted this on AV yesterday, which indicates that the 980W calibrates very well:

"Oh my! I am calibrating a 980W for one of my clients right now and I just had to post because I'm that excited by what I'm seeing. I have calibrated hundreds of TVs over the past few years but the calibrated picture from the 980W is in a different league. Amazing! Zero black level combined with great brightness gives a superb dynamic range. Shadow detail is excellent and the colours are terrifically accurate - I'm calibrating with a Lumagen Mini3d (125 point advanced colour calibration). The picture looks wonderfully clean too compared to plasma. Motion is LCD-like but at least there's no DFC or IR. I've checked and this set has no bad pixels either. I wish I could take it home with me."

Sounds pretty good to me!

 

[bigboss]

its all the same results thats calibrated to, its experience with your panel / tv that would attract me with Vincent but dont shoot the messnager I know how you are

 *smile*. How about Man of Steel with the faces being a little pale once calibrated and too red if not, what do you think?  Cheers

Doesn't Zack Snyder purposefully make skin complexions pale in his films? As far as I can remember having watched the film in cinema, skin tones are meant to be pale.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Even Jules has experience of calibrating the OLED that gel has.

Jules posted this on AV yesterday, which indicates that the 980W calibrates very well:

"Oh my! I am calibrating a 980W for one of my clients right now and I just had to post because I'm that excited by what I'm seeing. I have calibrated hundreds of TVs over the past few years but the calibrated picture from the 980W is in a different league. Amazing! Zero black level combined with great brightness gives a superb dynamic range. Shadow detail is excellent and the colours are terrifically accurate - I'm calibrating with a Lumagen Mini3d (125 point advanced colour calibration). The picture looks wonderfully clean too compared to plasma. Motion is LCD-like but at least there's no DFC or IR. I've checked and this set has no bad pixels either. I wish I could take it home with me."

Sounds pretty good to me!

Yep, he has done several now (I think) from memory.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

its all the same results thats calibrated to, its experience with your panel / tv that would attract me with Vincent but dont shoot the messnager I know how you are

*smile*. How about Man of Steel with the faces being a little pale once calibrated and too red if not, what do you think? Cheers

Doesn't Zack Snyder purposefully make skin complexions pale in his films? As far as I can remember having watched the film in cinema, skin tones are meant to be pale.

That's what I thought it might meant to be. Cheers.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

It does look better pale than red.

 

[Paul.]

MoS does have quite a muted pallet, from memory.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

MoS does have quite a muted pallet, from memory.

Ah, cheers.

 

[Vincent_Teoh]

Thanks ellisdj and Series1boy for your votes of confidence, but Jules is a good calibrator.

One thing I will point out though is that the report (quoted by strapped for cash) of Jules calibrating an LG 980W OLED indicates that he was calibrating through an external colour processor (Lumagen Mini 3D) which is a totally different kettle of fish from having to wrestle with the TV's internal controls. From speaking to LG's chief R&D engineers and from experience, certain parameters need to be set correctly to facilitate a smooth calibration on LG OLEDs.

Yes, Man of Steel has a muted colour palette, but check out the infinite number of lens flares!

Warmest regards
Vincent

 

[strapped for cash]

Thanks Vincent (not sure how I glanced over the Lumagen reference in Jules' post).

My comments were also based on your 980 review, which seemed to calibrate well (at least the charts looked good) without use of an external processor. In other words, your review suggests that the 980 calibrates far better than the 9300. Would you agree with this observation, or is the 980 afflicted by the same shortcomings David encountered with the 9300?

 

[Vincent_Teoh]

@strapped for cash: Yes, the LG 980 sample I reviewed calibrated far better than the 9300 that David reviewed - I believe THX's certification which is awarded to the 980 but not the 9300 played a major role in the former's out-of-the-box accuracy and calibration friendliness.

Warmest regards
Vincent

 

[Deleted member 2457]

I just had a demo of the new one in John Lewis and it was locked on cinema settings and the TV looked dull compared to the LEDs! I couldn't change the settings. Not sure what to make of it.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Thanks ellisdj and Series1boy for your votes of confidence, but Jules is a good calibrator.

One thing I will point out though is that the report (quoted by strapped for cash) of Jules calibrating an LG 980W OLED indicates that he was calibrating through an external colour processor (Lumagen Mini 3D) which is a totally different kettle of fish from having to wrestle with the TV's internal controls. From speaking to LG's chief R&D engineers and from experience, certain parameters need to be set correctly to facilitate a smooth calibration on LG OLEDs.

Yes, Man of Steel has a muted colour palette, but check out the infinite number of lens flares!

Warmest regards Vincent

Thanks for the info. I think I will remain loyal to Jules though because he has been very good to me. Cheers.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

I've just sold the sound bar and its a £500 upgrade to buy the Oled including the other stuff I've sold - not too bad!

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Hi Vincent

There are lots of reviews and comments on 4K TVs at the moment saying 4K is not worth it at 55inches, what do you think? I demoed some more today in the Sony shop and John Lewis and they are all dynamic settings making the picture look brighter than what it is, but as soon as you put them on normal settings, they look average TVs. I can't see what the fuss is about, okay they look a little better on football but that's it. Would you say Oled is a much better purchase than 4K at the moment? And if you have a Oled what would be the point upgrading to a Oled 4K one? Cheers.

 

[strapped for cash]

@strapped for cash: Yes, the LG 980 sample I reviewed calibrated far better than the 9300 that David reviewed - I believe THX's certification which is awarded to the 980 but not the 9300 played a major role in the former's out-of-the-box accuracy and calibration friendliness.

Warmest regards Vincent

Thanks Vincent.

If there's a lesson here, then, it's buy the 980 if you can find a reputable dealer with stock, or hope LG responds to enthusiast feedback and addresses these issues on future models.

 

[bigboss]

@strapped for cash: Yes, the LG 980 sample I reviewed calibrated far better than the 9300 that David reviewed - I believe THX's certification which is awarded to the 980 but not the 9300 played a major role in the former's out-of-the-box accuracy and calibration friendliness.

Warmest regards Vincent

Thanks Vincent.

If there's a lesson here, then, it's buy the 980 if you can find a reputable dealer with stock, or hope LG responds to enthusiast feedback and addresses these issues on future models. 

Unfortunately, enthusiast feedback forms a miniscule of their market, so they won't be interested.

 

[strapped for cash]

Unfortunately, enthusiast feedback forms a miniscule of their market, so they won't be interested.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree, though the 9300 was in competition at this year's VE Shootout. Presumably LG representatives were present and invested in the outcome.

Historically, LG has perhaps been less responsive to videophile feedback than some rivals, but if LG is serious about OLED the company should pay enthusiasts greater attention.

Even with second generation pricing (which remains high for most consumers) OLED arguably appeals principally to videophiles. If enthusiasts invest in OLED TVs this gives the technology a platform; and videophiles won't buy if LG neglects to iron out the kinks.

None of this means LG will resolve the issues, but it'd be in the company's interests to tailor its high end products to the videophile market, in the short term at the very least.

 

[bigboss]

Unfortunately, enthusiast feedback forms a miniscule of their market, so they won't be interested.

I wouldn't necessarily disagree, though the 9300 was in competition at this year's VE Shootout. Presumably LG representatives were present and invested in the outcome.?

Historically, LG has perhaps been less responsive to videophile feedback than some rivals, but if LG is serious about OLED the company should pay enthusiasts greater attention.

Even with second generation pricing (which remains high for most consumers) OLED arguably appeals principally to videophiles. If enthusiasts invest in OLED TVs this gives the technology a platform; and videophiles won't buy if LG neglects to iron out the kinks.

None of this means LG will resolve the issues, but it'd be in the company's interests to tailor its high end products to the videophile market, in the short term at the very least.   

It will be great if LG listens to feedback, but I remain skeptical. There are more people with money than videophiles who can afford OLED. Bose makes good profits for this reason.

There was no LG representative at the TV shootout in Leeds.

 

[strapped for cash]

It will be great if LG listens to feedback, but I remain skeptical. There are more people with money than videophiles who can afford OLED. Bose makes good profits for this reason.

There was no LG representative at the TV shootout in Leeds.

Were representatives from any manufacturer present at the Leeds shootout?

I went along to the Leicester event the year before and, to my knowledge, no manufacturer was in attendance. Manufacturer presentations and Q&A sessions are part of the VE shootout format, while the VE shootout arguably has a higher profile than similar UK events.

Don't get me wrong. I share your scepticism. Even when manufacturers listen to videophiles we encounter a catalogue of problems with successive product generations (think Panasonic, floating blacks, green blobs, the vertical band issue, and less obstrusive uniformity issues with some VT65s).

I'm clinging on in hope it'll be possible to buy a TV that bests my VT65; and right now LG is the only manufacturer working with tech that suggests this might happen. Time will tell, I guess.

 

[bigboss]

I'm hoping you won't need a new TV imminently. I'll trust Samsung to come up with a better OLED TV in 2-3 years with full calibration controls.

 

[strapped for cash]

Unless it breaks, I won't replace my VT65 for a good few years. As you say, Samsung will hopefully offer a viable alternative by then.

How are you getting on with the VT65? (You bought Gel's 50VT65, right?)