Nokia Lumia 920 & 820 - Thoughts?

[bigboss]

I know people want it to be great but I made the mistake of getting a win 7 phone replacing it with an android, big mistake. It gets buggier the more I use it, few days ago whatsapp stopped working for the entire platform. While it is true that they seem to have a lot of apps but these apps are really really horrible. There is also no real multitasking here, it just pauses the app and takes ages to resume. I would like to advise everyone not to be early adopters as Microsoft takes their sweet time with bug fixes. Shame that Nokia didnt choose the android path, it has so much more potential.

Now this is very interesting! Finally an actual user opinion!! :clap:

Will wait for a few weeks after launch to check early reviews and reports.

 

[BenLaw]

So as I say, in one aspect only (per that article). And as you've already accepted, not in relation to one competitor (as it stands at the moment). So my summary is much better and yours was misleading for anyone not reading the article.

Depends on how you look at it. The quality of a photo depends on 2 aspects: hardware (aperture & shutter speed) & software (the algorithm to determine the correct shutter speed & aperture). The hardware cannot be altered. The other phones cannot overcome the aperture limitation, while Nokia's algorithm can be altered with a software update. By Nokia's own admission, it's not a finished product. The camera is vastly superior to its competitors, & also includes image stabilisation which is not merely a software feature.

This is the complete explanation, which, you may admit, is better than your explanation.

Now if you'd said that the first time! Given your wink I perhaps shouldn't take your last comment too seriously, but just to be clear I didn't put mine forward as a complete / ideal explanation, I put it forward as an improvement on yours, which I was criticising as being, well, wrong. It's also difficult to draw a firm conclusion, certainly that it will be 'vastly superior' to its competitors, as they may not get the implemenation right.

I hope they do. I agree with your earlier comments that the competition provided by (at least) three quality platforms will benefit the consumer.

No, I don't think either of those things, nor did I say I did. I think it is the responsibility to state when this sort of thing happens, such as when apple says the sequence is shortened with Siri. Nokia admitted their wrongdoing with an apology.

Apple put that disclaimer AFTER people complained & went to court. Similar with its 4G claims. Apple has never admitted using professional cameras to click those photos. Even it will come put with an apology when it gets caught.

Fair enough. I hadn't seen that before. Do you mean this? It seems that with Siri they always put 'sequences shortened' but people are not happy that, well, it doesn't actually work all the time! Which is a slightly different matter. Does say there were similar complaints for the 3GS, which I can't be bothered to research further. Anyway, it displeases me any time a company 'lies' or 'deceives its customers' (quotes from your last link), whatever the company.

You and others seem to have two reasons for not wanting an iphone. (i) You perceive Apple as bullies, (ii) you are bored of the UI. (i) really doesn't bother me, as all the companies are / would be like this if they could be, it's just that Apple happen to be more successful at it at the moment. When I was young I used Acorn computers which, with their RISC OS, were streets ahead of Microsoft and (IMHO) a bit ahead of Apple. I think it's a shame they didn't make it in the same way Apple did (again, 3 platforms would benefit everyone) but I feel no sympathy for Microsoft after they failed to keep up, having produced terrible computers and OS for years and years. (ii) Also doesn't bother me personally, I have no desire for a UI to entertain me, but YMMV and clearly does. I don't consider myself an Apple fanboy at all (I'm not knowledgable enough for one thing) but I do have brand loyalty, so when a company produces a product that works for me and then does nothing to mess that up, I'll stick with them unless there's a compelling reason not to. This applies to my phone, my speakers, retailers, anything.

 

[bigboss]

I've stopped being loyal to a particular brand, & I like to play with different platforms, after HTC Sensation disappointed me when I upgraded from a brilliant Desire.

There is a strong push from my in-laws to stick to Google products & Android (as my sister-in-law works for Google & my brother-in-law is an ex-Googler & current Google tester). Android is brilliant, but I have been disappointed by the hardware of both HTC & Samsung when it comes to call quality & reliability. Nokia is very good in hardware, & I don't want to brush Windows mobile 8 off just because it's Microsoft. Sony is another brand I'm willing to try, when they come up with an attractive phone.

 

[bigboss]

And yes, at this point in time, Apple is a bigger bully than anyone else.

I'd like to support the underdogs.

 

[SnowyJohn]

And yes, at this point in time, Apple is a bigger bully than anyone else.

I'd like to support the underdogs.

Don't think Samsung are underdogs. Want underdog's, support HTC.

 

[bigboss]

And yes, at this point in time, Apple is a bigger bully than anyone else.

I'd like to support the underdogs.

Don't think Samsung are underdogs. Want underdog's, support HTC.

Been with HTC for 3 years now.....not happy with my Sensation. |(

I know Samsung aren't underdogs, that's why I'm looking at the Lumia 920

 

[landzw]

And yes, at this point in time, Apple is a bigger bully than anyone else.

I'd like to support the underdogs.

Don't think Samsung are underdogs. Want underdog's, support HTC.

Been with HTC for 3 years now.....not happy with my Sensation. |(

I know Samsung aren't underdogs, that's why I'm looking at the Lumia 920

+1 well if i can't afford it the 820 still looks good

 

[v1c]

Hands on preview of the 920 here.

I don't think Nokia's problem was ever making phones. IOS and Android killed symbian and it took Nokia till the N8 for them to realise so they went windows with Lumina. I had the N8 liked the phone not the OS. For what it's worth the Lumina i have now is my favourite phone i've used for looks and OS. My wife has Samsung galaxy , my daughter and brother in law have iphone 4s so i have seen them i still prefer the Nokia and that's with W7. Feels like Microsoft have taken Nokia as their main phonemaker to take marketshare from Apple but unlike Apple Microsoft don't care who uses their sofware. I completly agree with BB's comments over the course of this thread ref Microsoft, Nokia...... iphone revolution etc.

 

[fr0g]

Someone mentioned it earlier in the thread but I just realised that Nokia music is a Spotify type system with millions of songs to "download", except it's free on these phones and you get to keep all the music you download, even after your subscription ends! I guess it must emply some sort of DRM as it mentions that the music you download can only be played on your registered PC or phone and can't be burnt to CD (although I'm not sure how they would stop that)

If the quality is good I may end up buying one of these things anyway, just so I can cancel Spotify.

 

[bigboss]

Interesting poll results here:

http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2012/09/iphone5-spec-showdown/

 

[BenLaw]

I can't see the results?

Anyway, biggest poll will be sales figures! Takes a particular type, probably not your average mobile phone buyer, to go on such a site and post a response.

Btw, had not realised Nokia is nearly double the weight of the iPhone 5 and is half the storage (of the largest iPhone 5) with no option to expand :O Despite the latest iTunes messing me around yesterday, still pleased with my choice

 

[professorhat]

Current results look like this (as of date and time of this post, clearly it will change as time goes on!):

 

[BenLaw]

Thanks Prof. I wonder if the Nokia has 2million pre-orders like the iPhone?

 

[professorhat]

If the poll is to be taken as representative, then they should have over 5 million...

 

[BenLaw]

And 94-97% of all people will have a current-gen smart phone....

 

[bigboss]

Thanks Prof. I wonder if the Nokia has 2million pre-orders like the iPhone?

Pre-orders of the Lumia haven't started yet. The graph is just representative of the interest the Lumia has generated. Windows 8 as a platform is quite tiny, so nobody will expect it to sell as many phones as the Galaxy S3 or iPhone.

 

[BenLaw]

The graph is just representative of the interest the Lumia has generated.

The graph posted, in as far as it gives proportions, does not represent the interest generated, because:

Windows 8 as a platform is quite tiny, so nobody will expect it to sell as many phones as the Galaxy S3 or iPhone.

The apparent greater interest in Nokia shows it to be meaningless. All it does show is that 20,000 people who've found that website are interested in the Nokia.

 

[bigboss]

The graph is just representative of the interest the Lumia has generated.

The graph posted, in as far as it gives proportions, does not represent the interest generated, because:

Windows 8 as a platform is quite tiny, so nobody will expect it to sell as many phones as the Galaxy S3 or iPhone.

The apparent greater interest in Nokia shows it to be meaningless. All it does show is that 20,000 people who've found that website are interested in the Nokia.

As far as I can see, the website is not affiliated to any particular manufacturer. Even the iPhone 5 was launched only recently, & a lot of phone lovers (regardless of their platform preference) will be checking out various websites to check the latest models. Then why haven't iPhone & Samsung Galaxy S3 lovers voted?

Going by your thought process, every single online poll is meaningless.

 

[professorhat]

Going by your thought process, every single online poll is meaningless.

I'd probably agree with that. In fact remove the word online and I'd definitely agree with it

 

[bigboss]

Going by your thought process, every single online poll is meaningless.

I'd probably agree with that. In fact remove the word online and I'd definitely agree with it

 

[BenLaw]

The graph is just representative of the interest the Lumia has generated.

The graph posted, in as far as it gives proportions, does not represent the interest generated, because:

Windows 8 as a platform is quite tiny, so nobody will expect it to sell as many phones as the Galaxy S3 or iPhone.

The apparent greater interest in Nokia shows it to be meaningless. All it does show is that 20,000 people who've found that website are interested in the Nokia.

As far as I can see, the website is not affiliated to any particular manufacturer. Even the iPhone 5 was launched only recently, & a lot of phone lovers (regardless of their platform preference) will be checking out various websites to check the latest models. Then why haven't iPhone & Samsung Galaxy S3 lovers voted?

Going by your thought process, every single online poll is meaningless.

What the Prof said

Seriously tho, what - specifically - do you suggest it means?

You say on the one hand 'it is representative of the interest generated'. You say on the other 'nobody will expect it to sell as many phones as the Galaxy S3 or iPhone'. Those two statements are mutually inconsistent. It is impossible to draw any 'representative' conclusions without knowing (at least) the demographic of those visiting the site.

The biggest conclusion you can draw is that 'lots of people are interested in the new Nokia' (and indeed the other phones). The most specific you can get is that around 20,000 people who've visited that site have registered an interest in it. It says no more and no less than that. The problem is, I could have told you 'lots of people are interested in the new Nokia' without the need for this poll.

The only real use this poll will be is to the advertising department of this website.

 

[bigboss]

The graph is just representative of the interest the Lumia has generated.

The graph posted, in as far as it gives proportions, does not represent the interest generated, because:

Windows 8 as a platform is quite tiny, so nobody will expect it to sell as many phones as the Galaxy S3 or iPhone.

The apparent greater interest in Nokia shows it to be meaningless. All it does show is that 20,000 people who've found that website are interested in the Nokia.

As far as I can see, the website is not affiliated to any particular manufacturer. Even the iPhone 5 was launched only recently, & a lot of phone lovers (regardless of their platform preference) will be checking out various websites to check the latest models. Then why haven't iPhone & Samsung Galaxy S3 lovers voted?

Going by your thought process, every single online poll is meaningless.

What the Prof said

Seriously tho, what - specifically - do you suggest it means?

You say on the one hand 'it is representative of the interest generated'. You say on the other 'nobody will expect it to sell as many phones as the Galaxy S3 or iPhone'. Those two statements are mutually inconsistent. It is impossible to draw any 'representative' conclusions without knowing (at least) the demographic of those visiting the site.

The biggest conclusion you can draw is that 'lots of people are interested in the new Nokia' (and indeed the other phones). The most specific you can get is that around 20,000 people who've visited that site have registered an interest in it. It says no more and no less than that. The problem is, I could have told you 'lots of people are interested in the new Nokia' without the need for this poll.

The only real use this poll will be is to the advertising department of this website.

I'm not sure if you've really understood my post at all.

A high interest does not automatically translate to record breaking pre-orders, especially on a platform that's yet to prove its mettle. Android and iOS are tried and tested platforms over the past few years, pretty much guaranteeing record sales of Apple and Samsung.

If Windows mobile succeeds, who knows, the Lumia 930/940 may compete with record sales.

If you look online, most of the websites aren't impressed with the new Lumia and yet, consumer interest is high. Yes, you could've told me that, but you're only one without the backing of ANY data.

 

[BenLaw]

I'm not sure if you've really understood my post at all.

A high interest does not automatically translate to record breaking pre-orders, especially on a platform that's yet to prove its mettle. Android and iOS are tried and tested platforms over the past few years, pretty much guaranteeing record sales of Apple and Samsung.

If Windows mobile succeeds, who knows, the Lumia 930/940 may compete with record sales.

If you look online, most of the websites aren't impressed with the new Lumia and yet, consumer interest is high. Yes, you could've told me that, but you're only one without the backing of ANY data.

What makes you say I haven't understood?

I asked you what conclusions you think can be drawn, and the best answer I can see is, there's a 'high interest', and 'consumer interest is high'. If I didn't have data, would you not have believed me if I told you there'd be high interest? There must be over a billion mobile phone users worldwide, and half a dozen or so new smart phones. Really don't think these polls add much to anyone's information about that interest, save for their own ad departments.

 

[bigboss]

http://www.noknok.tv/2012/09/20/nokia-lumia-920-more-popular-than-iphone-5-samsung-galaxy-siii-note-ii/

 

[professorhat]

Possibly a slightly partisan article given its source! I don't disagree that the polls took place and those were the numbers they got, but I also agree with this fella's comment:

Non Microsoft/Nokia employee • 18 hours ago
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This website is shocking. how can the new Lumia phones be more popular than the iPhone 5 and Samsung Galaxy S3? iPhone pre-orders have surpassed 2 million and Galaxy s3 sales 20 million. Let's see those kinds of figures from Nokia then we'll talk.