New Sub - SVS vs BK
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Hi Ellis,
Budget pretty flexible; up to £1000 for the sub.
Use is half music, half TV & movies. BK XXLS400 is attractive as can get gloss white finish to match my PSB Imagine speakers, but the SVS SB200 stats are pretty beast (I nearly bought an Sb12NSD before the new range came out. Definitely only considering sealed box designs as they're a more compact form and therefore pass the wife test (just).
Budget pretty flexible; up to £1000 for the sub.
Use is half music, half TV & movies. BK XXLS400 is attractive as can get gloss white finish to match my PSB Imagine speakers, but the SVS SB200 stats are pretty beast (I nearly bought an Sb12NSD before the new range came out. Definitely only considering sealed box designs as they're a more compact form and therefore pass the wife test (just).
The new SB2000 is indeed a monster, I have had ours at home for a week and I was mighty impressed. I cant comment on the BK but it would appear you do get a lot for your money with them.
The sb2000 looks good in their advert for 699 dollars - you get dsp as well not sure complexity of it.
With BK you dont get any dsp - but what you do get is a proper torodial transformer based power supply for its amplifier as.opposed to switching supply in the SVS. I am big on this and very anti switching power supplies.
The BK isnt perfect but its the last thing i am changing in my system - i want a JL Audio fathom f113 when funds permit. But that says a lot for the bk in respective terms.
What other options to £1k are there?
With BK you dont get any dsp - but what you do get is a proper torodial transformer based power supply for its amplifier as.opposed to switching supply in the SVS. I am big on this and very anti switching power supplies.
The BK isnt perfect but its the last thing i am changing in my system - i want a JL Audio fathom f113 when funds permit. But that says a lot for the bk in respective terms.
What other options to £1k are there?
Frank Harvey
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The SB2000 and PB2000 subs are certainly excellent value for money this side of the £1,000 mark. The SB2000 is a stormer, and from such a small box. The PB2000, despite its size, only digs down a few more hertz (SB -3dB at 19Hz and PB -3dB at 17Hz), which makes the SB2000 the more impressive performer, but the PB2000 is a bit of a fun sub too, particularly for those that want to shift a lot of air for movies!
The pb has got a much better freq response advertised than the sb.
However these are not true in room responses - semi anachaeic i am pretty sure
If you got exactly what they published the pb would be perfect!i
However the low end boost is most probably dsp based ie eq boost which is fine as long as the amp/speaker can handle it.
Subs that do this good have a lot more headroom than 500w so it wont be a perfect sub just to point out
However these are not true in room responses - semi anachaeic i am pretty sure
If you got exactly what they published the pb would be perfect!i
However the low end boost is most probably dsp based ie eq boost which is fine as long as the amp/speaker can handle it.
Subs that do this good have a lot more headroom than 500w so it wont be a perfect sub just to point out
Frank Harvey
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The PB will have a little more presence lower down, hence my mention of a 'fun sub' 
Those that want a more even in room response generally go for sealed ones.
Those that want a more even in room response generally go for sealed ones.
Guys,
Thanks for the responses; I'm settling on a SB2000, to be purchased next week. The real challenge is now to vinyl wrap it so that the finish matches the rest of my system. I'll post-up some pictures when it's all up and running.
Cheers,
W
Thanks for the responses; I'm settling on a SB2000, to be purchased next week. The real challenge is now to vinyl wrap it so that the finish matches the rest of my system. I'll post-up some pictures when it's all up and running.
Cheers,
W
Of course, the bonus with the SB2000 is that it leaves enough dosh in the kitty to get either an Anthem MRX510 or 710. :rofl:
Frank Harvey
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Hi, Wotski
Without wishing to throw a spanner into your carefully considered decision-making works(!), have you considered a REL sub? I have a REL R-218, which is awesome for music. Some of their other (bigger) subs like the R-528 may suit your needs better, with lower frequencies and passive radiators to increase the volume of air shifted. I went with the R-218 as it's only for music, and it sounds great - very fast & musical cpmpared to some others I tried.
Although the specs suggest a higher min. frequency than you metnion above, REL subs are (uniquely?) designed and tuned to be placed in the corner of a room, so the bass response is much 'bigger' and more natural than some other systems. One additional benefit is that they come in white, too...!
www.rel.net
Good luck!
Without wishing to throw a spanner into your carefully considered decision-making works(!), have you considered a REL sub? I have a REL R-218, which is awesome for music. Some of their other (bigger) subs like the R-528 may suit your needs better, with lower frequencies and passive radiators to increase the volume of air shifted. I went with the R-218 as it's only for music, and it sounds great - very fast & musical cpmpared to some others I tried.
Although the specs suggest a higher min. frequency than you metnion above, REL subs are (uniquely?) designed and tuned to be placed in the corner of a room, so the bass response is much 'bigger' and more natural than some other systems. One additional benefit is that they come in white, too...!
www.rel.net
Good luck!
Best of luck with your new sub - my advice pay the extra get the 710.
Its linear power supplies that makes hifi sound better than av.
AV in general appears to have acknowledged this and its being addressed
Its linear power supplies that makes hifi sound better than av.
AV in general appears to have acknowledged this and its being addressed
HI BMF,
I'd done some research (not much) on the REL R328 and R528; they certainly look good and I've heard several positive comments in passing. I think you can pick-up a 528 for around £1,000, although I haven't done a direct comparison to the SVS to see whether the £350 premium would be worth it. Might try to catch a cheeky demo somewhere.
Thanks,
Wotski
I'd done some research (not much) on the REL R328 and R528; they certainly look good and I've heard several positive comments in passing. I think you can pick-up a 528 for around £1,000, although I haven't done a direct comparison to the SVS to see whether the £350 premium would be worth it. Might try to catch a cheeky demo somewhere.
Thanks,
Wotski
Hello,
Im also trying to decide between BK and others... but looks like that discussion completely skipped out BK. Is there any reason behind it or BK is really low-end compare to the Rel / Svs?
Thank you
Im also trying to decide between BK and others... but looks like that discussion completely skipped out BK. Is there any reason behind it or BK is really low-end compare to the Rel / Svs?
Thank you
ellisdj said:
Hi
What is the 710? And i saw once somewhere you had an svs ultra13? But you say bk subs better for the money?
Please share more thoughts on this as i need a sub for the end month 99% music at this stage. Id prefer an atc sub but they are super expensive
bigboss
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You need to decide what you want the sub to do - but if your expecting deep bass support from the small BK subs I would say your looking at the wrong products with the exception of the monolith.
Nowdays subs like the SB13 Ultra does what the Monolith does from a much smaller sealed box but costs 3x as much.
Its no good saying my speakers have a cut off freq of 40hz so I want 40hz and below.
My speakers Kef Ref 3 officially are at 40hz at -3db but in reality where I sit they are rolling off from about 50hz presently so if I was integrating a sub for music only I would use 50hz - not 40hz as is on the spec sheet.
You need to decide how much you want to spend and what you want the sub to do and ideally what you room is like for bass - REW Sim is your friend
Nowdays subs like the SB13 Ultra does what the Monolith does from a much smaller sealed box but costs 3x as much.
Its no good saying my speakers have a cut off freq of 40hz so I want 40hz and below.
My speakers Kef Ref 3 officially are at 40hz at -3db but in reality where I sit they are rolling off from about 50hz presently so if I was integrating a sub for music only I would use 50hz - not 40hz as is on the spec sheet.
You need to decide how much you want to spend and what you want the sub to do and ideally what you room is like for bass - REW Sim is your friend
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