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Don't mention wasps! 😡dogspangle said:They'd probably have a view on this year's wasp population, too.
Not all of us though 😉 I will hear the argument that 'audiophile' audio-cables make your HiFi sound better/worse/different. If someone says their amp/CDP/whatever sounds better if they don't turn it off, I'm happy to accept their opinion without feeling any need to ridicule it. I'm even open-minded to the suggestion that improving the quality of the mains-supply with better mains-cables and 'purification devices' may also improve the sound. But all this claptrap about running-in/burning-in cables is just a little too close to being 100% pure bovine excrement for even me to accept.steve_1979 said:
Native_bon said:
Hmmn.
Let google be your friend and check further. The papers you link to were written in 2009 after the initial 2008 judgement.
There was a subsequent judgement in 2011 that upheld the complaint, so I would say the most charitable interpretation was that the claims are still unproven.
toyota man said:
🙂 There's times when you just have to tell the emperor to put his clothes on because his hairy ass and fat beer-gut are doing nothing for his image.
MajorFubar said:
:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: as I read this post I am laughing out loud the wife thinks I am mad 🙂 🙂
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Burn in is measureable with speakers, it has been found in woofers in cars and cinemas (I am not aware of a purely audiophile test). What was also found is that if a speak rests and is not used for a few days, it returns to its original measurements. So the burn in process is not fixed and it varies as to the regularity of the speakers use. But how audible that burn is, is not clear. Then no connection between the change and sound quality has been shown.
To show that burn in exists with a cable you need to 'A' measure and show a change, 'B' show it is audible and 'C' show it affects SQ. So far no cable maker has done that, nor anyone else. One should ask oneself as to why that is. Why has no cable maker or anyone else who claims burn in stepped up with evidence of 'A', 'B' or 'C'?
Claims of I heard a SQ improvement with time so 'A', 'B' and 'C' must occur with burn in is appalling science and should rightly be held suspect and questioned.
To show that burn in exists with a cable you need to 'A' measure and show a change, 'B' show it is audible and 'C' show it affects SQ. So far no cable maker has done that, nor anyone else. One should ask oneself as to why that is. Why has no cable maker or anyone else who claims burn in stepped up with evidence of 'A', 'B' or 'C'?
Claims of I heard a SQ improvement with time so 'A', 'B' and 'C' must occur with burn in is appalling science and should rightly be held suspect and questioned.
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MajorFubar said:
🙂
I agree that some analogue cables can sound different, some hifi equiptment might sound different when warmed up and that in a few rare cases you can get audiable interference from a mains plug socket. I also think that mains 'purification devices' could make a difference for a few people who get interference through their mains plug from things like thermostats switching on and off but there's no reason why it would make any difference for most people. However I do not believe that audiophile mains cables or digital cables will make any difference and there is overwhelming scientific evidence that confirms this.
p.s. This is all starting to sound serious again. Can we start talking about bees and wasps some more now?
andyjm said:
Russ was fined I believe for unsubstantiated claims. We may wonder how many claims could be proved but maybe advertising authority are too busy?
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RobinKidderminster said:
They're probably dealing with all those Lynx complaints I sent in. Plus I've still yet to receive a reply on a crow's limit to orangeyness and how something could be substantiated as being "too orangey" for them. Don't fear, I will continue to hound them until I get to the truth!
dogspangle said:I bet Brian Cox could settle this for sure, or one of his mates from the LHC.
They'd probably have a view on this year's wasp population, too.
I bet they let the cables at the LHC burn in to get a better soundstage for the big bang 🙂
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cheeseboy said:
I heard that when it was first turned on and broke down they rewired it using Russ Andrews cables and after that it worked fine.
steve_1979 said:
I might get the same cables for my Rega setup then.
Not sure if the fridge freezer will get them down to 2 kelvin though.
Nobody has picked up this challenge yet, makes you think... eh?
Link: http://gizmodo.com/305549/james-randi-offers-1-million-if-audiophiles-can-prove-7250-speaker-cables-are-better
Link: http://gizmodo.com/305549/james-randi-offers-1-million-if-audiophiles-can-prove-7250-speaker-cables-are-better
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Cables do sound different cause i use them in my recording studio. But that kind of money i dn't think can be jutisfied. That's just sillyness.
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proffski said:
They know it won't stand up to a proper scientific investigation and they can still make money from the gullible so why should they bother?
Chris
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