PRAISE THE LORD!
At last, someone has awoken to the world of late 70s Japanease amplification! Honestly, I you will LOVE that amplifer - My grandad has exactly that one, and it is awsome!!!
...but the JVC A-X5 is better still....(but you 'aint getting one 'cause I'm buying everyone that ever appears for sale!!!)
At last, someone has awoken to the world of late 70s Japanease amplification! Honestly, I you will LOVE that amplifer - My grandad has exactly that one, and it is awsome!!!
...but the JVC A-X5 is better still....(but you 'aint getting one 'cause I'm buying everyone that ever appears for sale!!!)
Addition: That amp runs quite hot, as with most Technics Class-AA equipment, so watch if things are placed on top/ little fingers etc...
Hughes123:
PRAISE THE LORD!
At last, someone has awoken to the world of late 70s Japanease amplification! Honestly, I you will LOVE that amplifer - My grandad has exactly that one, and it is awsome!!!
...but the JVC A-X5 is better still....(but you 'aint getting one 'cause I'm buying everyone that ever appears for sale!!!)
What are you on about lad; I was THERE for late 1970s hifi....Japanese or otherwise!
PRAISE THE LORD!
At last, someone has awoken to the world of late 70s Japanease amplification! Honestly, I you will LOVE that amplifer - My grandad has exactly that one, and it is awsome!!!
...but the JVC A-X5 is better still....(but you 'aint getting one 'cause I'm buying everyone that ever appears for sale!!!)
What are you on about lad; I was THERE for late 1970s hifi....Japanese or otherwise!
the record spot:Hughes123:
PRAISE THE LORD!
At last, someone has awoken to the world of late 70s Japanease amplification! Honestly, I you will LOVE that amplifer - My grandad has exactly that one, and it is awsome!!!
...but the JVC A-X5 is better still....(but you 'aint getting one 'cause I'm buying everyone that ever appears for sale!!!)
What are you on about lad; I was THERE for late 1970s hifi....Japanese or otherwise!
Well with that modern stuff you have, it couldn't have left that much of an impression!
PRAISE THE LORD!
At last, someone has awoken to the world of late 70s Japanease amplification! Honestly, I you will LOVE that amplifer - My grandad has exactly that one, and it is awsome!!!
...but the JVC A-X5 is better still....(but you 'aint getting one 'cause I'm buying everyone that ever appears for sale!!!)
What are you on about lad; I was THERE for late 1970s hifi....Japanese or otherwise!
Well with that modern stuff you have, it couldn't have left that much of an impression!
Hughes123:
Well with that modern stuff you have, it couldn't have left that much of an impression!
Not at all - everything is relative.
I went to a hifi show in Edinburgh back in 1980 or '81 - stacks of stuff there and a pal of mine was also into decent kit in a big way. Being from families of more modest means meant our forays into quality kit were limited to picking up the brochures however.
Such was the case with Technics; I got a hold of one of their brochures and though I don't recall the model numbers (although for some reason the SL-B2 turntable seems to ring a bell) the kit of that era looked well specced as per a fair bit of the other kit of the time and as I said before, Technics was perceived as being highly desirable for some people back then.
It wasn't the only one I'd looked at this past day or two though; a Trio KA2000, a Nytech CA102, Yamaha CA610, a Sansui AU-317 (I think this would be a VERY good little amp) and a Trio KA405.
There was also an Armstrong 521 amp which was on the shortlist at one point until I saw some iffy reliability info online. Looked good though and the seller had a video of it working, but didn't want to take the risk (although that applies to anything electrical on Ebay really).
So you see, my interest isn't solely restricted to Japanese kit...or modern (or didn't you recall I've got a 1978 Sansui TU-317 sitting around somewhere?)!
Well with that modern stuff you have, it couldn't have left that much of an impression!
Not at all - everything is relative.
I went to a hifi show in Edinburgh back in 1980 or '81 - stacks of stuff there and a pal of mine was also into decent kit in a big way. Being from families of more modest means meant our forays into quality kit were limited to picking up the brochures however.
Such was the case with Technics; I got a hold of one of their brochures and though I don't recall the model numbers (although for some reason the SL-B2 turntable seems to ring a bell) the kit of that era looked well specced as per a fair bit of the other kit of the time and as I said before, Technics was perceived as being highly desirable for some people back then.
It wasn't the only one I'd looked at this past day or two though; a Trio KA2000, a Nytech CA102, Yamaha CA610, a Sansui AU-317 (I think this would be a VERY good little amp) and a Trio KA405.
There was also an Armstrong 521 amp which was on the shortlist at one point until I saw some iffy reliability info online. Looked good though and the seller had a video of it working, but didn't want to take the risk (although that applies to anything electrical on Ebay really).
So you see, my interest isn't solely restricted to Japanese kit...or modern (or didn't you recall I've got a 1978 Sansui TU-317 sitting around somewhere?)!
the record spot:(or didn't you recall I've got a 1978 Sansui TU-317 sitting around somewhere?)!
Yes, thinking about it, you have said that before and that you have an old cassette player too.
And come on then, how does it sound?!
Yes, thinking about it, you have said that before and that you have an old cassette player too.
And come on then, how does it sound?!
Don't have it yet. Should be here in the next day or two all being well. Apparently - going from feedback to date from previous owners - it has quite a forward and detailed sound (a good thing for me), shouldn;t be partnered with overly bright sounding kit (kind of okay so far) and hopefully will last (this would be good going by Mrs. R_S's reaction tonight).
And please don't try to lecture me on marriage, at least that's one bloody thing you haven't got under your belt so far!
Anyway, will post a review with piccies when it gets here. Should clarify the one I've bought is of the NAD grey variety rather than the birght shiny Mondeo prawn sandwich silver. Another good thing...!
And please don't try to lecture me on marriage, at least that's one bloody thing you haven't got under your belt so far!
Anyway, will post a review with piccies when it gets here. Should clarify the one I've bought is of the NAD grey variety rather than the birght shiny Mondeo prawn sandwich silver. Another good thing...!
the record spot:Don't have it yet. Should be here in the next day or two all being well. Apparently - going from feedback to date from previous owners - it has quite a forward and detailed sound (a good thing for me), shouldn;t be partnered with overly bright sounding kit (kind of okay so far) and hopefully will last (this would be good going by Mrs. R_S's reaction tonight).
And please don't try to lecture me on marriage, at least that's one bloody thing you haven't got under your belt so far!
Anyway, will post a review with piccies when it gets here. Should clarify the one I've bought is of the NAD grey variety rather than the birght shiny Mondeo prawn sandwich silver. Another good thing...!
Sounds smashing! Tell you what though, the bass on that amp (which is what you are trying to improve, is it not?) is outstanding - the kind of weight you only get with "real" power! Not too sure on the gunmetal grey, but you'll have to post some photos to show us!
Here's my beast, by the way:
And please don't try to lecture me on marriage, at least that's one bloody thing you haven't got under your belt so far!
Anyway, will post a review with piccies when it gets here. Should clarify the one I've bought is of the NAD grey variety rather than the birght shiny Mondeo prawn sandwich silver. Another good thing...!
Sounds smashing! Tell you what though, the bass on that amp (which is what you are trying to improve, is it not?) is outstanding - the kind of weight you only get with "real" power! Not too sure on the gunmetal grey, but you'll have to post some photos to show us!
Here's my beast, by the way:
the_record_spot is overcome by a severe case of the wows and the flutters looking at where that deck is situated...
...however, yes I think it's a later version of the Technics; maybe early 80s - guessing at 1982/83 going by some of the finish. There are some marks to the top, but front fascia is fine and apparently in "perfect working order" which to me says problem free. We shall see!
So to date, between office junior Hughes_minor and the good bods at a couple of other sites, this is a decent amp with a nice line in detail and bass presence. Things are looking up...!
...however, yes I think it's a later version of the Technics; maybe early 80s - guessing at 1982/83 going by some of the finish. There are some marks to the top, but front fascia is fine and apparently in "perfect working order" which to me says problem free. We shall see!
So to date, between office junior Hughes_minor and the good bods at a couple of other sites, this is a decent amp with a nice line in detail and bass presence. Things are looking up...!
igglebert:I have to say, I'm very curious. What the hell's class AA?
Technic's copy of JVC's Super-Class A.
"Dynamic Super-A: For low-distortion performance throughout the
audible frequency range.
Dynamic Super-A is a refinement of our revolutionary Super-A, the
design that offers the distortion-free sound of a class-A amp,
and the efficiency of a class-B amp.
Popular class-B amps offer high efficiency, but they achieve it
by switching the output transistors on and off. This results in an
increase in distortion - switching distortion. Unrelated
harmonically with music, switching distortion adds a harsh,
metallic or gritty quality to the sound you hear. The alternative is
the class-A amp which offers smooth low-distortion
switchless sound, yet it requires its output transistors to be
always on. This means low efficiency, bulky size and high cost.
JVC Super-A is the answer to this dilema - it combines the
positive aspects of both class-A and class-B amps. It does not
generate switching distortion (like class-B amps). It gives
sound a smooth, yet powerful quality.
Dynamic Super-A was developed with the singular purpose of
catching up with vast improvements that have recently been made in the
dynamic range of new digital technologies."(http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/tech_desc.jsp?model_id=MDL100386&feature_id=02)
Technic's copy of JVC's Super-Class A.
"Dynamic Super-A: For low-distortion performance throughout the
audible frequency range.
Dynamic Super-A is a refinement of our revolutionary Super-A, the
design that offers the distortion-free sound of a class-A amp,
and the efficiency of a class-B amp.
Popular class-B amps offer high efficiency, but they achieve it
by switching the output transistors on and off. This results in an
increase in distortion - switching distortion. Unrelated
harmonically with music, switching distortion adds a harsh,
metallic or gritty quality to the sound you hear. The alternative is
the class-A amp which offers smooth low-distortion
switchless sound, yet it requires its output transistors to be
always on. This means low efficiency, bulky size and high cost.
JVC Super-A is the answer to this dilema - it combines the
positive aspects of both class-A and class-B amps. It does not
generate switching distortion (like class-B amps). It gives
sound a smooth, yet powerful quality.
Dynamic Super-A was developed with the singular purpose of
catching up with vast improvements that have recently been made in the
dynamic range of new digital technologies."(http://pro.jvc.com/prof/attributes/tech_desc.jsp?model_id=MDL100386&feature_id=02)
Can't resist posting this - I mean, there are set-ups and there are set-ups!
I should show this one to my wife!
http://www.geocities.com/technicshifi/Baily.html
And to answer (or try to anyway!) igglebert's query about Class AA:-
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread/t-32254.html
I should show this one to my wife!
http://www.geocities.com/technicshifi/Baily.html
And to answer (or try to anyway!) igglebert's query about Class AA:-
http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/showthread/t-32254.html
the record spot:Can't resist posting this - I mean, there are set-ups and there are set-ups! I should show this one to my wife!http://www.geocities.com/technicshifi/Baily.html
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Given your budget issues and your desire for a clear upgrade path, I'd suggest you bolt on a power amplifier to your current setup with mind of replacing the now preamp in the future with a paired device.
As always I reccomend audiolab, you could probably find an 8000P on ebay for around 200 quid and they have tonnes of power... plus are really amazing with their pre-amp, but that's more like 300 quid. Make sure you get one of the newest models. The older ones (pre-tag) run at inflated price tags for what they actually are IMHO.
As always I reccomend audiolab, you could probably find an 8000P on ebay for around 200 quid and they have tonnes of power... plus are really amazing with their pre-amp, but that's more like 300 quid. Make sure you get one of the newest models. The older ones (pre-tag) run at inflated price tags for what they actually are IMHO.
Thanks but the PM6010-KI amp has no power amp option; bit of a cul-de-sac alas. Anyway, I've purchased a temp solution which I hope can do the trick. There's a local dealer who can service if need be too.
Only my back...!
This is a BIG amp - a real heavyweight! Probably a good 25% taller than the Marantz, which is pretty substantial itself.
I was surprised to see there's a straight DC option to bypass the tone controls, I just assumed all amps of that era didn't have this facility. So it's there, but it gives quite a warm sound, although my wife thinks quite tinny! I notice a bass presence which could tend towards the bloomy with the wrong speakers.
Out the box, I'm giving it time to run in. First impressions are (as suggested above) there is a clear difference between the sound of the Marantz with it's pin-sharp clarity and the SU-V6. If I boost the treble a little, that takes me nearer to the sound I have just now but there's time enough to let it run in for a few weeks to see how it goes.
It's a mighty beast for sure - around 20lbs or so, so I won't be shifting it round too much. Do I like it? Well, it's different; I like the 1980s styling, but the sound may be another matter.
Undecided? For now, but like I say, there's time enough to let this thing bed in and find its' feet. We've had two tracks on it (Sheryl Crow's well recorded "C'mon, C'mon" album and Peter Gabriel's "So" on SACD) so we're not even in a position to make a judgement yet!
I do have more bass though!
This is a BIG amp - a real heavyweight! Probably a good 25% taller than the Marantz, which is pretty substantial itself.
I was surprised to see there's a straight DC option to bypass the tone controls, I just assumed all amps of that era didn't have this facility. So it's there, but it gives quite a warm sound, although my wife thinks quite tinny! I notice a bass presence which could tend towards the bloomy with the wrong speakers.
Out the box, I'm giving it time to run in. First impressions are (as suggested above) there is a clear difference between the sound of the Marantz with it's pin-sharp clarity and the SU-V6. If I boost the treble a little, that takes me nearer to the sound I have just now but there's time enough to let it run in for a few weeks to see how it goes.
It's a mighty beast for sure - around 20lbs or so, so I won't be shifting it round too much. Do I like it? Well, it's different; I like the 1980s styling, but the sound may be another matter.
Undecided? For now, but like I say, there's time enough to let this thing bed in and find its' feet. We've had two tracks on it (Sheryl Crow's well recorded "C'mon, C'mon" album and Peter Gabriel's "So" on SACD) so we're not even in a position to make a judgement yet!
I do have more bass though!
Sounds like the sort of tonal balance I like. A new amp certainly takes a while to get used to. I hated the Quad 405 when I first got it (and TBH it could do with upgrading) but I learnt to enjoy it's midrange strengths.
This is it; it all takes time. My wife was a bit "pooh-pooh", but I need to give it a few weeks to see how it goes. There's a lot to like about the amp, but I don't know how much the previous owner used it. Tell you what though; I'll need the street to go out shopping if I want to turn it much above 9 o'clock...had it on the 8 o'clock mark and yep, you could tell it had the chops!
OK, well, more listening today - Mrs. R_S is definitely not convinced. Feels it too tinny and makes the classical music she loves a touch one dimensional. I don't hear that to be honest as I think you can at last hear what the cellos and double basses are doing, but one thing she mention was that you can hear how old it is. I can relate to that alright; it reminds me of my old NAD to some degree (albeit bigger, bulkier and more powerful); full bodied sound, brilliant for (e.g.) certain Jazz, or melodic southern rock - I've played a couple of Little Feat albums on this and they're sublime. New recordings sound okay.
So a big change - I think what the last few months have taught me is that if anything, venture on a change to your hifi with GREAT care! My old Linn Mimik lost its appeal, the SA7001 KI was a step in the right direction, but at a trade off of bottom end substance for midrange and top end presence. A speaker change made some impact, but I'm not convinced on that yet and a new amp also made a change, but again, it's perhaps more sideways than upwardly mobile.
This is all after just a couple of days listening (not even that); I'll want to try it with my 733i's still, but that might be bass overkill. It's a fun hobby and the amp was paid for with plenty to spare having sold a few LPs the other day, but I couldn't take anything heavier to shift round; I'd really do my back in!
So a big change - I think what the last few months have taught me is that if anything, venture on a change to your hifi with GREAT care! My old Linn Mimik lost its appeal, the SA7001 KI was a step in the right direction, but at a trade off of bottom end substance for midrange and top end presence. A speaker change made some impact, but I'm not convinced on that yet and a new amp also made a change, but again, it's perhaps more sideways than upwardly mobile.
This is all after just a couple of days listening (not even that); I'll want to try it with my 733i's still, but that might be bass overkill. It's a fun hobby and the amp was paid for with plenty to spare having sold a few LPs the other day, but I couldn't take anything heavier to shift round; I'd really do my back in!
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