I am looking at Nakamichi SoundSpace 21 http://www.nakamichi.com/home.html
Has anybody heared or experienced what is it? Any good?
Thank you
Has anybody heared or experienced what is it? Any good?
Thank you
NAKAMICHI What is it????
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tcooper:
I am looking at Nakamichi SoundSpace 21 http://www.nakamichi.com/home.html
Has anybody heared or experienced what is it? Any good?
Thank you
All I can add from looking at numerous hifi websites is:
A) Japanese
B) Expensive!
Not particularly helpful I know
I am looking at Nakamichi SoundSpace 21 http://www.nakamichi.com/home.html
Has anybody heared or experienced what is it? Any good?
Thank you
All I can add from looking at numerous hifi websites is:
A) Japanese
B) Expensive!
Not particularly helpful I know
Looks like a rip off of Bang and Olufsen. Overpriced yuppy stuff.
But it does look nice.
They have a b&o shop in town and I listend to a stereo that looked like a Ice cream cone upside down and it cost 20,000.
Looked like it too, but sound was much worse than my £1000.00 system
But it does look nice.
They have a b&o shop in town and I listend to a stereo that looked like a Ice cream cone upside down and it cost 20,000.
Looked like it too, but sound was much worse than my £1000.00 system
tcooper:NAKAMICHI What is it????
Outdated, overpriced, underspec'd, aimed at people with more money than sense, stylish (ish). All in my humble opinion, of course.
Their car audio stuff is meant to be pretty good but again very expensive and I would rather start with Alpine if going aftermarket in car for the headunit.......
In all seriousness, I think you should post a budget and what your requirements are i.e. music/movies ratio, size of room, size/type of speakers preferred, what equipment you have to connect and anything else you can think of......
Outdated, overpriced, underspec'd, aimed at people with more money than sense, stylish (ish). All in my humble opinion, of course.
Their car audio stuff is meant to be pretty good but again very expensive and I would rather start with Alpine if going aftermarket in car for the headunit.......
In all seriousness, I think you should post a budget and what your requirements are i.e. music/movies ratio, size of room, size/type of speakers preferred, what equipment you have to connect and anything else you can think of......
bigboss
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Andrew Everard:
canada16:Overpriced yuppy stuff.
How do you know, if you've never heard it?
Because if it walks like a duck......
Same as B&O, Overpriced yuppy garabge, dont see their TV's getting 5 stars, matter of fact dont see their TV's less than £4000.00 for a samll one.
Just had a look 32" for £4500.00 on peter tyson... No Tv is that good, unless it makes me a Tea in the morning and say how good looking I am,
canada16:Overpriced yuppy stuff.
How do you know, if you've never heard it?
Because if it walks like a duck......
Same as B&O, Overpriced yuppy garabge, dont see their TV's getting 5 stars, matter of fact dont see their TV's less than £4000.00 for a samll one.
Just had a look 32" for £4500.00 on peter tyson... No Tv is that good, unless it makes me a Tea in the morning and say how good looking I am,
canada16:Same as B&O, Overpriced yuppy garabge
Ah, that old 'prjeudice' - always trotted out by people who don't understand how B&O designs, engineers and builds its products, and what they offer beyond the norm.
For example hard-anodised, not painted, structural metalwork; in-house manufacture of almost all components right down to disc drives, chassis, enclosures and drive units; and on the TVs a self-calibration system even able to take a count of the reduction of picture quality over very extended periods of use. That deterioration's down to the bought-in panels, and something to which all TVs are prey, while the self-calibration is something not even the display manufacturers offer on their own TVs.
Hand-built equipment, dealer installed and set-up if required, and with legendary customer service and after-sales support when many lesser products are fit only for recycling due to non-availability of parts - that's what you're paying for.
Ah, that old 'prjeudice' - always trotted out by people who don't understand how B&O designs, engineers and builds its products, and what they offer beyond the norm.
For example hard-anodised, not painted, structural metalwork; in-house manufacture of almost all components right down to disc drives, chassis, enclosures and drive units; and on the TVs a self-calibration system even able to take a count of the reduction of picture quality over very extended periods of use. That deterioration's down to the bought-in panels, and something to which all TVs are prey, while the self-calibration is something not even the display manufacturers offer on their own TVs.
Hand-built equipment, dealer installed and set-up if required, and with legendary customer service and after-sales support when many lesser products are fit only for recycling due to non-availability of parts - that's what you're paying for.
I like B&O but would never pay full money for one.
I have just came back from the B&O showroom and think they make good sound systems which look very different surely stand out from the croud and sound quality is clear and sharp. this is my opinion not looking at the price tag.
The reason i am asking about Nakamichi is becouse i can buy Soundspace 21 for 3k and do not know is it worth that money as the man who selling it is 4 hours away from where i live. Also i have never heard one in real life and couldnot find a dealer
I thought one of you guys might have one or can advice
Thank you
I have just came back from the B&O showroom and think they make good sound systems which look very different surely stand out from the croud and sound quality is clear and sharp. this is my opinion not looking at the price tag.
The reason i am asking about Nakamichi is becouse i can buy Soundspace 21 for 3k and do not know is it worth that money as the man who selling it is 4 hours away from where i live. Also i have never heard one in real life and couldnot find a dealer
I thought one of you guys might have one or can advice
Thank you
It is good sounding gear. Have listened to it but never owned due to the price tags!
I have had a car cd head unit from them & wow drop dead gorgeous sound. sold it though after a couple of months as it would only play original standard off the shelf cd's. nothing else. if it played mp3 cds & cdr's etc i would have definately kept it.
Nakamichi products (if you are spending that sort of money) is well worth a listen imho.
I have had a car cd head unit from them & wow drop dead gorgeous sound. sold it though after a couple of months as it would only play original standard off the shelf cd's. nothing else. if it played mp3 cds & cdr's etc i would have definately kept it.
Nakamichi products (if you are spending that sort of money) is well worth a listen imho.
maxflinn:if i win the lotto , im going to get me some of that b and o gear i am ..
Even if I won the euro at 85million I wouldnt.
I would buy top of the line separates, its designed for style... Thats pretty much about it.. I had a demo and I walked out thinking... Thats it?
This is my opinion, not looking to hack on those that have tons of cash and little space.But if you ahd tons of cash, dont know why you have little space?
I bought a Harmony 515 for 16.99 and logitech support was second to none, lady spent 30min walking me through how the remote worked, cant fault good customer service, but would not pay £4500.00 for a TV just for a person to be nice to me.
Even if I won the euro at 85million I wouldnt.
I would buy top of the line separates, its designed for style... Thats pretty much about it.. I had a demo and I walked out thinking... Thats it?
This is my opinion, not looking to hack on those that have tons of cash and little space.But if you ahd tons of cash, dont know why you have little space?
I bought a Harmony 515 for 16.99 and logitech support was second to none, lady spent 30min walking me through how the remote worked, cant fault good customer service, but would not pay £4500.00 for a TV just for a person to be nice to me.
Indeed, but between then and now the company got itself into a perilous financial state, and was bought in 1998 by the Chinese company also responsible for swallowing up Akai and Sansui, at which point Niro Nakamichi, the designer of many of those famous products of the past and the brother of the founder, left the company. It filed for bankruptcy in 2002, and emerged from that as the brand you now see.
bigboss
Moderator
canada16:
maxflinn:if i win the lotto , im going to get me some of that b and o gear i am ..
Even if I won the euro at 85million I wouldnt.
I would buy top of the line separates, its designed for style... Thats pretty much about it.. I had a demo and I walked out thinking... Thats it?
This is my opinion, not looking to hack on those that have tons of cash and little space.But if you ahd tons of cash, dont know why you have little space?
I bought a Harmony 515 for 16.99 and logitech support was second to none, lady spent 30min walking me through how the remote worked, cant fault good customer service, but would not pay £4500.00 for a TV just for a person to be nice to me.
Obviously, B&O is not for you. It's not your local fish & chips takeaway. What you pay is for the quality & ofcourse the looks. B&O makes almost all the components that goes to making its products, rather than outsourcing it from Chinese companies. That's why they are built to last. The quality is second to none. No matter how strict your quality control is, outsourcing components always brings that element of malfunction. Toyota springs to my mind.
If your B&O product becomes faulty even after 10 years, their engineers will sort the problem out, rather than saying: "Sorry mate, we no longer support this model & we don't have the spare parts".
Apart from the fact that it exudes class. Even though I own the best TV on the planet, I still aspire to buy a B&O system one day. People instantly recognise it as a designer brand. The audio & video quality of its systems is quite good.
maxflinn:if i win the lotto , im going to get me some of that b and o gear i am ..
Even if I won the euro at 85million I wouldnt.
I would buy top of the line separates, its designed for style... Thats pretty much about it.. I had a demo and I walked out thinking... Thats it?
This is my opinion, not looking to hack on those that have tons of cash and little space.But if you ahd tons of cash, dont know why you have little space?
I bought a Harmony 515 for 16.99 and logitech support was second to none, lady spent 30min walking me through how the remote worked, cant fault good customer service, but would not pay £4500.00 for a TV just for a person to be nice to me.
Obviously, B&O is not for you. It's not your local fish & chips takeaway. What you pay is for the quality & ofcourse the looks. B&O makes almost all the components that goes to making its products, rather than outsourcing it from Chinese companies. That's why they are built to last. The quality is second to none. No matter how strict your quality control is, outsourcing components always brings that element of malfunction. Toyota springs to my mind.
If your B&O product becomes faulty even after 10 years, their engineers will sort the problem out, rather than saying: "Sorry mate, we no longer support this model & we don't have the spare parts".
Apart from the fact that it exudes class. Even though I own the best TV on the planet, I still aspire to buy a B&O system one day. People instantly recognise it as a designer brand. The audio & video quality of its systems is quite good.
My old B&O Mx7000 tv was a great set! Bought it when it came out some time in the early 90s and the picture is still great. The sound in that tv is prolly the best ive heard in a tv set ever. Even now i love the design of it even if it isnt flat 
My beolab 8000 speakers also sound great. Sure the cm7's are better in many ways but the B&O sound is very mellow and you never get tired of listening to them.
My beolab 8000 speakers also sound great. Sure the cm7's are better in many ways but the B&O sound is very mellow and you never get tired of listening to them.
bigboss
Moderator
I have a 20 year old Beocenter 9000 (with Beovox CX100 speakers) and I still have difficulty in finding systems that both look and sound better.
I am getting all nostalgic here. My parents had a B&O TV for so many years that I don't even remember.
It was brilliantly outlined by Andrew, I just like to add a couple of things more, some of it from an insider working at B&O.
As some people critisize, B&O buys their panels from Samsung, just as they bought their picture tubes from Philips back in the old days. What many people do not know is, that they have extremely high demands for the panels. Way higher than Samsung has. Many panels are even still - despite these specifications - discarded and shipped back to Samsung (probably to be used in Samsungs own TV's).
But apart from the panels B&O really make their own resourch and development. For their new series of BeoVision TV's they have for instance developed their own 100Hz system, which in my humble opion can compete with Sony's. Not to speak of sound. If you one of the people who do not want to turn on the home cinema when watching TV, B&O is really unmatched on this front.
B&O are perfectionists, and has in numerous ocassions been used for assesseries in expensive car's when no one else could handle the demands.
It was brilliantly outlined by Andrew, I just like to add a couple of things more, some of it from an insider working at B&O.
As some people critisize, B&O buys their panels from Samsung, just as they bought their picture tubes from Philips back in the old days. What many people do not know is, that they have extremely high demands for the panels. Way higher than Samsung has. Many panels are even still - despite these specifications - discarded and shipped back to Samsung (probably to be used in Samsungs own TV's).
But apart from the panels B&O really make their own resourch and development. For their new series of BeoVision TV's they have for instance developed their own 100Hz system, which in my humble opion can compete with Sony's. Not to speak of sound. If you one of the people who do not want to turn on the home cinema when watching TV, B&O is really unmatched on this front.
B&O are perfectionists, and has in numerous ocassions been used for assesseries in expensive car's when no one else could handle the demands.
yup bigboss
I still have it too. It is in one of the bedrooms at my summer house. I just cant throw it away when its still working.
My parents got the first color tv that B&O made and im sure if it was around it would still be working. The remote was all worn down though and it gave a buzzing sound when you used it. It used some sort of RF signal and had a really good range.
I still have it too. It is in one of the bedrooms at my summer house. I just cant throw it away when its still working.
My parents got the first color tv that B&O made and im sure if it was around it would still be working. The remote was all worn down though and it gave a buzzing sound when you used it. It used some sort of RF signal and had a really good range.
super
Well-known member
Going back to nakamichi for a moment, yes they did make the best cassette deck. I have the CR-3 and a CR-7 decks and they are still going perfectly today. Though the CR-7 developed a fault in which the play motor failed, had it replaced and serviced by B & W . Not bad for a over 20 year old model. (should really be on the hi-fi forum i know).
If useful to the tread I bought a SS21 in 2007 and it is tremendous - the look and the quality of sound it is worth every dollar paid
When looking at Japanese brands like Nakamichi, or Swedish brands like B&O even, it is all to easy to think "it's Japanese / Korean/ Chinese so why isn't it as cheap as the big brand Japanese / Korean / Chines stuff?".
What you're paying for with Nakamichi or B&O is pretty much the same as you're paying for if you buy a smaller British or European (or American or Japanese even) brand: design, R&D and tooling spread over a much smaller number of units produced; small scale manufacturing; higher quality (in the ISO 9001 parlance - e.g. tighter tolearances on resistors, capacitors, etc.) components; possibly still hand assembled and soldered; better testing - perhaps even individual unit testing rather than pulling one in a thousand off the line, testing that one unit and presuming all the other 999 units are good; better product support; a certain degree of exclusivity / snobbery value; etc. etc. etc.
What you're paying for with Nakamichi or B&O is pretty much the same as you're paying for if you buy a smaller British or European (or American or Japanese even) brand: design, R&D and tooling spread over a much smaller number of units produced; small scale manufacturing; higher quality (in the ISO 9001 parlance - e.g. tighter tolearances on resistors, capacitors, etc.) components; possibly still hand assembled and soldered; better testing - perhaps even individual unit testing rather than pulling one in a thousand off the line, testing that one unit and presuming all the other 999 units are good; better product support; a certain degree of exclusivity / snobbery value; etc. etc. etc.
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