Has anyone heard the new Kef q750? Is it a better speaker than the Tannoy xt8f with smoother highs?
QuestForThe13thNote said:I've never got the idea of these types of speakers in uk homes for a relative budget speaker. All those drivers even if some are passive. I don't know why kef can't just produce a nice single tweeter / single bass driver floorstander speakers at this price. For better timing too. All this complexity at this price, means you get less overall sound quality per pound. And most people don't need that type of size speaker in the living room for standard living room sizes in the U.K. The q series and the r series don't compete with similar price speakers from pmc, spendor, pro ac, atc with more simpler designs, even if you don't get floorstanders with these brands. And I'd have the tannoy 8's anyday of the week over these speakers. The lS50 and ls50 actives are really good, why can't kef produce a simpler speaker like that but higher end, to fill the void to the kef ref ones. Rather they seem to go for all these bass boxes. I must admit I haven't heard them, but the r700 aren't exactly the best at the price, and if it's a lower spec speaker, it won't be as good. Neats around that price are better too.
The passive radiators are used instead of reflex ports - rear ports will produce booming, whereas passive radiators do not, and usually allow speakers to be used nearer to room boundaries. KEF aren't the only manufacturer to do this - higher end manufacturers like Wilson Benesch also used this approach in their Square series.QuestForThe13thNote said:I've never got the idea of these types of speakers in uk homes for a relative budget speaker. All those drivers even if some are passive. I don't know why kef can't just produce a nice single tweeter / single bass driver floorstander speakers at this price. For better timing too. All this complexity at this price, means you get less overall sound quality per pound.
I agree people don't need large speakers in the average living room, which is one reason why I set up what I started my business. I'll still do larger speakers for those that have larger rooms or need the output, bass response etc.And most people don't need that type of size speaker in the living room for standard living room sizes in the U.K.
Spendor, PMC, and ProAc produce very little below £1000, with only ATC producing the SCM7 at around the same price as the LS50. Simple design? Q150, Q350, LS50, and R100 are all simple designs, and they've even thrown a three-way model in under £1k too - how many other manufacturers can boast that?The q series and the r series don't compete with similar price speakers from pmc, spendor, pro ac, atc with more simpler designs, even if you don't get floorstanders with these brands. And I'd have the tannoy 8's anyday of the week over these speakers.
As above, used properly, the R Series doesn't boom - they're tight and fast, with the ability to dig deep for the size of cabinet, with low distortion too. Maybe booking a well set up demonstration and actually listening to them may give you a better standpoint to comment on them,The lS50 and ls50 actives are really good, why can't kef produce a simpler speaker like that but higher end, to fill the void to the kef ref ones. Rather they seem to go for all these bass boxes. I must admit I haven't heard them, but the r700 aren't exactly the best at the price, and if it's a lower spec speaker, it won't be as good. Neats around that price are better too.
Giving him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe one day he'll realise that EQ exists and all these bright speakers can sound the way he likes.rainsoothe said:Lol, people still respond to peterpan threads with genuine advice and hope that it's being heard )
davidf said:The passive radiators are used instead of reflex ports - rear ports will produce booming, whereas passive radiators do not, and usually allow speakers to be used nearer to room boundaries. KEF aren't the only manufacturer to do this - higher end manufacturers like Wilson Benesch also used this approach in their Square series.QuestForThe13thNote said:I've never got the idea of these types of speakers in uk homes for a relative budget speaker. All those drivers even if some are passive. I don't know why kef can't just produce a nice single tweeter / single bass driver floorstander speakers at this price. For better timing too. All this complexity at this price, means you get less overall sound quality per pound.
I agree people don't need large speakers in the average living room, which is one reason why I set up what I started my business. I'll still do larger speakers for those that have larger rooms or need the output, bass response etc.And most people don't need that type of size speaker in the living room for standard living room sizes in the U.K.
Spendor, PMC, and ProAc produce very little below £1000, with only ATC producing the SCM7 at around the same price as the LS50. Simple design? Q150, Q350, LS50, and R100 are all simple designs, and they've even thrown a three-way model in under £1k too - how many other manufacturers can boast that?The q series and the r series don't compete with similar price speakers from pmc, spendor, pro ac, atc with more simpler designs, even if you don't get floorstanders with these brands. And I'd have the tannoy 8's anyday of the week over these speakers.
When the R Series was originally produce, the bar was raised with regards to quality, and what you get for your money. Many other manufacturers saw a drop in business because of the R Series' popularity. A large number of people heard speakers from numerous manufacturers, then tried the equivalent R Series model, and wondered how the other manufacturers can charge their asking prices!
As for what sounds good/better, personal preference plays a large part in this, and also hapearing the R Series set up properly with a suitable amplifier. I reckon about half of those who have heard R Series have never heard them sound how they were designed to.
As above, used properly, the R Series doesn't boom - they're tight and fast, with the ability to dig deep for the size of cabinet, with low distortion too. Maybe booking a well set up demonstration and actually listening to them may give you a better standpoint to comment on them,The lS50 and ls50 actives are really good, why can't kef produce a simpler speaker like that but higher end, to fill the void to the kef ref ones. Rather they seem to go for all these bass boxes. I must admit I haven't heard them, but the r700 aren't exactly the best at the price, and if it's a lower spec speaker, it won't be as good. Neats around that price are better too.
From a tonal point of view. There are still fundamental differences between speakers that EQ doesn't or can't change/improve. Most people tend to choose a speaker for a reason - the last thing you want to do is EQ that reason out!insider9 said:Giving him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe one day he'll realise that EQ exists and all these bright speakers can sound the way he likes.
Again, you've already admitted you've not heard them, so you can't really comment on what the R Series is capable of. Price (or more accurately, discounts) isn't really the focus here - you can only fairly compare the normal retail prices of the speakers, as all speakers have been made to a budget, and they need to be compared to other speakers in the same budget. Comparing a £1500 floorstander is a very valid comparison to a £1500 standmount speaker, but not really valid when compared to a £2500 standmount speaker.QuestForThe13thNote said:thing is when you take account of discounts you can get some pmc's for around a grand. like the 20-21. Obviously a different speaker, but I'd rather have that than a big kef with all those drivers. And the problem with those passive drivers is timing alignment, which a smaller simpler speaker can do better. But as it does more of the bits that matter than the kefs like the r300 etc, I'd rather have them. I get how the tuning thing, but it's not just about brightness. The transmission line seems to really help with distortion. And the tightness of bass and dynamics of the kef r series like the r700 is not like some better pmc's, atcs, spendor etc.
I don't disagree. The thing is OP dismissed EVERY speaker to date as too bright sounding and not fit for metal. This includes Lindsayt suggestions of going with vintage gear.davidf said:From a tonal point of view. There are still fundamental differences between speakers that EQ doesn't or can't change/improve. Most people tend to choose a speaker for a reason - the last thing you want to do is EQ that reason out!insider9 said:Giving him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe one day he'll realise that EQ exists and all these bright speakers can sound the way he likes.
rainsoothe said:Lol, people still respond to peterpan threads with genuine advice and hope that it's being heard )
Andrewjvt said:rainsoothe said:Lol, people still respond to peterpan threads with genuine advice and hope that it's being heard )
Peterpan, obiwan, tinkerbell, whos counting ha
insider9 said:I don't disagree. The thing is OP dismissed EVERY speaker to date as too bright sounding and not fit for metal. This includes Lindsayt suggestions of going with vintage gear.davidf said:From a tonal point of view. There are still fundamental differences between speakers that EQ doesn't or can't change/improve. Most people tend to choose a speaker for a reason - the last thing you want to do is EQ that reason out!insider9 said:Giving him the benefit of the doubt. Maybe one day he'll realise that EQ exists and all these bright speakers can sound the way he likes.
With such approach I doubt the conventional wisdom will work here.
Which is why I mentioned Amphion. Their HF dispersion is such that they don't seem to excite high frequency energy as much as many other speakers in reflective rooms. If you can avoid using electronic EQ systems, you'll end up with a more faithful reproduction at the loudspeaker.Pedro said:Or room acoustics.