Kef ls50 or avi adm9rs or other?

[char_lotte]

They may be many things.....but a secret they are not.

 

[the record spot]

Glad you like your new purchase Etymotic. Looks like another OCD sufferer has been cured! Seriously, enjoy and have fun with them.

 

[Frank Harvey]

As I've pointed out a few times since then atticus, your system wasn't particularly well balanced or well matched. I don't think I've seen anyone change to ADM's from a well balanced system yet - they're all mish-mashes.

Please list some of those mismatched systems and let us know what makes them poorly matched.

I do believe I did at the time.

 

[Frank Harvey]

As I've pointed out a few times since then atticus, your system wasn't particularly well balanced or well matched. I don't think I've seen anyone change to ADM's from a well balanced system yet - they're all mish-mashes.

Noted, David. I did look into your suggestion that I upgrade the pre-amp and tried out a Pre QX xpd and, I think, a DAC, but this was what was coming out at over 2k. There was an improvement, but not 2k's worth, and certainly nowhere near that of the ADM40.

That wasn't my recommendation though

 

[lindsayt]

...I cant imagine ANYBODY being dissapointed with the ADM's. If you are a real bass freak then buy the subwoofer too you would still only have an initial outlay of £2000!...

Well I am a self-confessed bass freak.

Is the single 10" woofer in a relatively small sealed box that's used in the AVI subwoofer really the last word in bass reproduction? Or is it possible to find better bass from other speakers or subwoofers?

 

[steve_1979]

For thrills, kicks and to satisfy any urge to tinker, I am now seeking out the perfect pencil, which is just as time-consuming, but less expensive.

I've tried some of the more expensive brands such as Derwent but I find that the basic Staedtler 110 Tradition cedar wood pencil with either a B or 2B grade graphite is the best for general use.

Don't waste your time on the ones that have erasers on the end because the pink rubber leaves a mark on the paper. You should use a separate eraser anyway, they're much better. Staedtler make very good erasers too IMO.

Hope this information helps with your exciting journey of pencil discovery atticus.

 

[John Duncan]

I cant imagine ANYBODY being dissapointed with the ADM's.

I was.

 

[GSB]

For thrills, kicks and to satisfy any urge to tinker, I am now seeking out the perfect pencil, which is just as time-consuming, but less expensive.

I've tried some of the more expensive brands such as Derwent but I find that the basic Staedtler 110 Tradition cedar wood pencil with either a B or 2B grade graphite is the best for general use.

Don't waste your time on the ones that have erasers on the end because the pink rubber leaves a mark on the paper. You should use a separate eraser anyway, they're much better. Staedtler make very good erasers too IMO.

Hope this information helps with your exciting journey of pencil discovery atticus.

:rofl:

 

[John Duncan]

You're going to need one of these.

 

[Frank Harvey]

...I cant imagine ANYBODY being dissapointed with the ADM's. If you are a real bass freak then buy the subwoofer too you would still only have an initial outlay of £2000!...

Well I am a self-confessed bass freak.

Is the single 10" woofer in a relatively small sealed box that's used in the AVI subwoofer really the last word in bass reproduction? Or is it possible to find better bass from other speakers or subwoofers?

May I be so bold to put forward the Ken Kreisel DXD808 sub. Probably the most detailed sub around, and "invisible" for both movies and music. Pretty amazing depth as well for the size of it. Given that it uses exactly the same dual push-pull amplifiers used in its bigger brother, you'd be hard pushed to better it.

Although if you're a real bass freak, a bigger ported box may be more your thing. But I'm comparing like for like

 

[Alec]

They may be many things.....but a secret they are not.

Badumtish!

 

[Bobbyhifi]

...I cant imagine ANYBODY being dissapointed with the ADM's. If you are a real bass freak then buy the subwoofer too you would still only have an initial outlay of £2000!...

Well I am a self-confessed bass freak.

Is the single 10" woofer in a relatively small sealed box that's used in the AVI subwoofer really the last word in bass reproduction? Or is it possible to find better bass from other speakers or subwoofers?

May I be so bold to put forward the Ken Kreisel DXD808 sub. Probably the most detailed sub around, and "invisible" for both movies and music. Pretty amazing depth as well for the size of it. Given that it uses exactly the same dual push-pull amplifiers used in its bigger brother, you'd be hard pushed to better it.

Although if you're a real bass freak, a bigger ported box may be more your thing. But I'm comparing like for like

Since others in another thread are being asked to ammend signatures wouldn't it be pertinent to update your signature to mention that you're the UK exclusive dealer for Ken Kreisel if you're going to recommend his products?

http://www.hifix.co.uk/hifi/audio/miller-kreisel-reborn/

After all it's no different to being a manufacturer really since if someone in the UK buys that sub it will have to be through your company. Just in the interests of perceived impartiality.

 

[GSB]

You're going to need one of these.

:rofl: :rofl: :clap:

 

[Ajani]

@ the OP: As you can tell by how this thread has gone, only you can determine whether the KEFs or AVIs are right for you. Most people have not heard both and even if they did it would just be their subjective opinions. Clearly both the LS50 & ADM9RS are fine products in their own rights, so you just need to find the one that is right for you.

Re: the overall AVI debate - Even ignoring whether you like the head honcho at the company or not, there are still some issues that cause problems for potential customers:

1) The claim is that the typical passive route is essentially audiophoolery and that buying a pair of AVI actives will break the cycle of upgraditis. That's straight up nonsense - there are many members of the AVI forums who have upgraded from one model of the ADM9 to the next and/or to the ADM40s. So the cycle has not been broken. So rippng on other HiFi companies about their upgrade paths is just hypocricy (especially when AVI customers are not discouraged from buying the whole AVI catalog).

2) The idea that in general actives are more accurate/just better than passives. While actives generally offer great (often better value for money), you only need to visit a pro audio forum or read user reviews on a site that sells pro monitors and you'll quickly see that not all actives are great. Pro users complain about monitors sounding distorted, overly bright, rolled off, bass shy, bass heavy, etc etc etc. Better yet go to a pro store and audition some monitors yourself, then you can say whether actives are just better than passives.

 

[Frank Harvey]

Since others in another thread are being asked to ammend signatures wouldn't it be pertinent to update your signature to mention that you're the UK exclusive dealer for Ken Kreisel if you're going to recommend his products? http://www.hifix.co.uk/hifi/audio/miller-kreisel-reborn/ After all it's no different to being a manufacturer really since if someone in the UK buys that sub it will have to be through your company. Just in the interests of perceived impartiality.

It was in answer to this:

Is the single 10" woofer in a relatively small sealed box that's used in the AVI subwoofer really the last word in bass reproduction? Or is it possible to find better bass from other speakers or subwoofers?

As for ammending signature, I don't believe WHF would want a long list of manufacturer's in our signatures (personally, I don't mind). Although if I mention the brand in my sig specifically, it will be promoting it on a constant basis - again, I don't think that will be something that WHF would want. We negotiated for exclusivity because we know how good his products are, and have every faith in its performance. But like other products, I'm not going to recommend it just because I have it - I will recommend it where I see it is relevant.

 

[drummerman]

@ the OP: As you can tell by how this thread has gone, only you can determine whether the KEFs or AVIs are right for you. Most people have not heard both and even if they did it would just be their subjective opinions. Clearly both the LS50 & ADM9RS are fine products in their own rights, so you just need to find the one that is right for you.

Re: the overall AVI debate - Even ignoring whether you like the head honcho at the company or not, there are still some issues that cause problems for potential customers:

1) The claim is that the typical passive route is essentially audiophoolery and that buying a pair of AVI actives will break the cycle of upgraditis. That's straight up nonsense - there are many members of the AVI forums who have upgraded from one model of the ADM9 to the next and/or to the ADM40s. So the cycle has not been broken. So rippng on other HiFi companies about their upgrade paths is just hypocricy (especially when AVI customers are not discouraged from buying the whole AVI catalog).

2) The idea that in general actives are more accurate/just better than passives. While actives generally offer great (often better value for money), you only need to visit a pro audio forum or read user reviews on a site that sells pro monitors and you'll quickly see that not all actives are great. Pro users complain about monitors sounding distorted, overly bright, rolled off, bass shy, bass heavy, etc etc etc. Better yet go to a pro store and audition some monitors yourself, then you can say whether actives are just better than passives.

Good post

regards

 

[Phileas]

AVI customers are not discouraged from buying the whole AVI catalog.

Actually they are. ("Whole catalogue"? Three products!)

2) The idea that in general actives are more accurate/just better than passives

In general, anything can be badly designed/made. The essential principle is entirely correct.

 

[lindsayt]

AVI customers are not discouraged from buying the whole AVI catalog.

Actually they are. ("Whole catalogue"? Three products!)

2) The idea that in general actives are more accurate/just better than passives

In general, anything can be badly designed/made. The essential principle is entirely correct.

When you say that "The essential principle is entirely correct", do you mean that you think that an active crossover as used in the AVI ADM9rs will result in less THD+N than a passive crossover as used in the KEF LS50 at ALL volume levels and frequencies?

 

[Phileas]

When you say that "The essential principle is entirely correct", do you mean that you think that an active crossover as used in the AVI ADM9rs will result in less THD+N than a passive crossover as used in the KEF LS50 at ALL volume levels and frequencies?

No. I mean an active configuration is always better than passive (for any particular speaker).

 

[atticus]

Already got one, JD! The miaow it does is way too realistic and our cats go mental when they hear it!

 

[Frank Harvey]

No. I mean an active configuration is always better than passive (for any particular speaker).

Regarding the wording, didn't we settle this quite a while ago on another thread? Didn't we all settle on "active CAN be better than passive"?

Active or passive is irrelevant, unlike the design and implementation. Many manufacturers in the past have used the best of the best (in connection with anything), but this doesn't guarantee a top quality product. As an example, using the best quality DAC doesn't guarantee a good sounding CD player.

 

[atticus]

Double post, sorry. Bloody iPad.

 

[altruistic.lemon]

When you say that "The essential principle is entirely correct", do you mean that you think that an active crossover as used in the AVI ADM9rs will result in less THD+N than a passive crossover as used in the KEF LS50 at ALL volume levels and frequencies?

No. I mean an active configuration is always better than passive (for any particular speaker).

Yet something like the Maggies knock most speakers, active or no, at the same price into a cocked hat!

 

[spiny norman]

To say the speakers are magical is a huge understatement. They are quite simply probably the best kept secret in the Hi Fi industry.

You owe it to yourselves to own these little wonders.

I rest my case..........

Whenever AVI is mentioned I find it remarkable that something so tiny can make so much noise.

 

[Phileas]

No. I mean an active configuration is always better than passive (for any particular speaker).

Yet something like the Maggies knock most speakers, active or no, at the same price into a cocked hat!

This is somewhat irrelevant.