Kef ls50 or avi adm9rs or other?

[The_Lhc]

This thread is providing much irritainment....

Oooh, great word...

 

[the record spot]

Do you think there's a KEF cult? I ask as they're recommended in almost every thread, by the main KEF UK dealer, who's basically a walking KEF advertisement, these days, and many others.

The thing is, he's open about it. It's stated on his signature. Unlike...

 

[BenLaw]

Do you think there's a KEF cult? I ask as they're recommended in almost every thread, by the main KEF UK dealer, who's basically a walking KEF advertisement, these days, and many others.

The thing is, he's open about it. It's stated on his signature. Unlike...

Hmm, not that open. He did get his brother on recently to start promoting products...

 

[the record spot]

I have no knowledge of that, but it's hardly new. The point I am making is pretty much what Chebby did regarding sleekit self-promotion. And of course, it's hardly unique to hifi as a glance over the Amazon "reader reviews" will highlight nicely.

Personally, I couldn't give a fig over the rather tired "tit for tat" between who did what. It happens, it'll keep on happening, but it'd be better if it didn't.

 

[Frank Harvey]

Do you think there's a KEF cult? I ask as they're recommended in almost every thread, by the main KEF UK dealer, who's basically a walking KEF advertisement, these days, and many others.

Hmmm, I wonder what other forums you frequent...

I'll recommend any speaker I think will suit the OP. I've also recommended ATC, ProAc, Monitor Audio, Neat, Spendor, B&W, Acoustic Energy, PMC, Dynaudio, Tannoy, Dali, even bits of Wharfedale and Mission, as well as some used speakers too.

When a speaker has certain unique attributes, it makes it more suitable in some situations than others, and that's another reason I will recommend a speaker. The UniQ design is perfect for close monitoring, and for those who are situated close to their speakers - better than the conventional drive unit layout. This is also why I recommend Tannoy. Their wider than average dispersion suits AV purposes too, which many speakers don't. Sometimes my recommendations are on tonal balance, and you will find posts where I don't recommend KEF at all.

Am I the "main" KEF UK dealer? I'm flattered if you think I am, but there are other KEF outlets that sell much more KEF than we do. Maybe I'm the only one who sees their attributes, and the only one who can be bothered to spend time on forums making people aware of that. I don't have a following, I'm not trying to build a following - do you see several people rushing to back me up? No you don't, because I don't ask anyone to.

I'll continue to recommend what I see is the best options for the question answered.

Oh, and if anyone sees me at the Bristol show, stop me and say hi - you'll know who I am - I'll be wearing a KEF t-shirt, KEF badge, and a KEF cap. I might even wear my KEF man bag too. Anyone who takes a photo of me and posts it up on the forum will win something with KEF written on it.

 

[Frank Harvey]

Hmm, not that open. He did get his brother on recently to start promoting products...

"My products"?

I think you must have me mixed up with someone else. I don't ask anyone to post anything for me, I can do that myself thanks.

 

[gregvet]

I did write a post in your defence David (not that you need or want that, I am sure), but the forum ate it.

Yours was better anyway

I would love to see you in your head to toe Kef outfit. If there is a spare Kef man bag, I'm your man

 

[Frank Harvey]

Get the pic then (damn, you know what I look like!)

(oh, and any forum member who I have asked to say anything on this forum on my behalf or for "my products" can come forward and say so - just to prove a point)

 

[BenLaw]

Hmm, not that open. He did get his brother on recently to start promoting products...

"My products"?

I think you must have me mixed up with someone else. I don't ask anyone to post anything for me, I can do that myself thanks.

Erm, my post doesn't say 'my products'...

I perhaps went too far in suggesting you 'got' him to do it, but CaptHowdy was promoting products sold at hifix in breach of forum rules.

 

[Frank Harvey]

Ok Mr. Pedantic - 'my products'?

Mr.Howdy - whoever he is - is free to recommend what he wants. People from this forum do come to me for demos, they do listen to stuff, and yes, very occasionally, they do post up about their findings. If they happen to think some of our products are the best they've heard, great! There's a forum member on here who has posted up about M&K for years, and I never knew who he was until about 6 months ago - which brings me to another fact - even though some people do come to me for demos, they don't always make it known who they are.

 

[Alec]

You got round to hearing them then, David?

Nope. I once offered to evaluate a pair, but was turned down. I know a certain someone isn't too keen on products being sent back under DSR's, so evaluating a pair of 40's will never happen.

Odd point you made about folk trying and not liking them, then.

The 40s are, I gather, exempt from DSRs. The others, well, he has no choice far as I can see; regs is regs no?

Chebby, funny is indeed what I was going for.

 

[Alec]

There must surely be a third group. (Even if it's just me.)

People who acknowledge that AVI make some fine and very competitive products, but wish that was all they were well-known for.

That'll be two of us then!

Three (not that my inclusion will help!). Shame really, the ADMs sound like exactly the sort of speaker I'm interested in but there is no way on dog's green earth I would hand my money over to Ashley James, the attitude on him just stinks, the man doesn't know the meaning of the word professionalism...

Four. This thread is providing much irritainment....

Oh yeah and, er, five, innit.

 

[Alec]

Duplicate post.

 

[bigblue235]

The 40s are, I gather, exempt from DSRs. The others, well, he has no choice far as I can see; regs is regs no?

But if regs is regs, the 40s maybe shouldn't be exempt. Manufacturing something after purchase doesn't necessarily translate to 'made to order'. That point has probably been made numerous times already, apologies if so, but I try to avoid any threads with AVI in the title now. My nurse said it was for the best, or I'd have to go back to the padded room with no internet.

And 5.5 or whatever. I'd have had a pair of ADMs on trial before now if it hadn't been for all the crap surrounding them. Every time I give them/him the benefit of the doubt I see another pearl of wisdom on a forum that puts me right off. That and the return postage costs if they don't live up to the hype.

 

[ErwinC]

No.

Every product has its 15 minutes of fame, especially if it's a WHFI award winner. Some people would rather ask a bunch of amateurs than go and have a dem and decide for themselves.

I tried them in my own setup, i bought them and i love the LS50 speakers.

I owned and tested many bookshelf (and floorstanding) speakers, some of them costing a lot more than the LS50 and imo the LS50 are the best bookshelf speakers i ever owned or tested in my own setup.

 

[The_Lhc]

which brings me to another fact - even though some people do come to me for demos, they don't always make it known who they are.

You have the loveliest eyes you know...

 

[Frank Harvey]

which brings me to another fact - even though some people do come to me for demos, they don't always make it known who they are.

You have the loveliest eyes you know...

Creepy....

 

[plastic penguin]

which brings me to another fact - even though some people do come to me for demos, they don't always make it known who they are.

You have the loveliest eyes you know...

Creepy....

He says that to all the dealers.

 

[Frank Harvey]

which brings me to another fact - even though some people do come to me for demos, they don't always make it known who they are.

You have the loveliest eyes you know...

Creepy....

He says that to all the dealers.

I'm disappointed now...

 

[The_Lhc]

which brings me to another fact - even though some people do come to me for demos, they don't always make it known who they are.

You have the loveliest eyes you know...

Creepy....

He says that to all the dealers.

They're usually asleep at the time though...

 

[WinterRacer]

The owner of AVI hasn't posted on this site for quite a few years now. All the positive stuff you read here now about AVI products is from AVI owners.

Perhaps it's time the AVI digs and sarcasm went? I'm sure it'd make this forum a friendlier place to be - speaking as an owner of AVI products.

If you've got an issue with how the onwer of AVI promotes his products, perhaps best to take it up on his forum ([LINK REMOVED - house rules]) rather than mentioning it here?

Just a suggestion and apologies up front if this offends anyone.

 

[Alec]

The 40s are, I gather, exempt from DSRs. The others, well, he has no choice far as I can see; regs is regs no?

But if regs is regs, the 40s maybe shouldn't be exempt. Manufacturing something after purchase doesn't necessarily translate to 'made to order'.

I made a similar point myself recently, it's just what I've been led to believe. Maybe they're being naughty, but I can't be the arbiter there.

 

[Frank Harvey]

which brings me to another fact - even though some people do come to me for demos, they don't always make it known who they are.

You have the loveliest eyes you know...

Creepy....

He says that to all the dealers.

They're usually asleep at the time though...

Wouldn't be the first time it has happened....

 

[The_Lhc]

The owner of AVI hasn't posted on this site for quite a few years now.

That's because he was banned, it takes a lot to get permanently banned from this place (I know, I've had several goes at it...).

Perhaps it's time the AVI digs and sarcasm went? I'm sure it'd make this forum a friendlier place to be - speaking as an owner of AVI products.

I've got no issue with the products, I can't have, I've never heard them but all the descriptions of them make them sound like what I'd be looking for and the general philosophy behind active speakers makes a lot of sense.

If you've got an issue with how the onwer of AVI promotes his products, perhaps best to take it up on his forum ([LINK REMOVED - house rules]) rather than mentioning it here?

Yeah that's going to work isn't it! You'd last one post and then be banned.

 

[WinterRacer]

I've got no issue with the products, I can't have, I've never heard them but all the descriptions of them make them sound like what I'd be looking for and the general philosophy behind active speakers makes a lot of sense.

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Yeah that's going to work isn't it! You'd last one post and then be banned.

You shouldn't let what you think you know about AVI put you off. If you like the idea of the speaker, try heading over to the AVI forum. If you don't like it, you don't have to stay. If you do get banned, I'm sure you'll have some fun in the process