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KEF LS50 Actives anyone?

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Frank Harvey

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App control. Maybe things to come...

And all good wireless products will also have en ethernet conenction as well as being wireless - generally more reliable.
 

avole

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is the cable connecting the two speakers, otherwise they've covered most bases. You'd have thought they would have followed Dynaudio's lead on that one.

Still, this could be a game changer, depending on price in the UK and post 2019 europe.
 

Frank Harvey

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avole said:
is the cable connecting the two speakers, otherwise they've covered most bases. You'd have thought they would have followed Dynaudio's lead on that one.

Still, this could be a game changer, depending on price in the UK and post 2019 europe.
At least it's taking the signal to the other speaker digitally - so can't be interfered with or drop out.

This is the downside to "wireless speakers" that many people don't realise until they start researching them. A speaker will never be completely wireless. To do that, they'd need to run on batteries. The Dynaudio is about as close to wireless as you'll get, but you still need a box to plug all your sources into - cables.
 

avole

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I take your point, but having streamed UK TV plus, since it comes with your internet connection, French TV for a number of years and also music via my iPhone or mac using airplay, it all seems pretty well sorted to me. Usually any problem is outside my wireless network. The only incident I remember was caused by flash flooding in the south of France, which cut not only the ADSL/fibre networks but also the electricity and the mobile network for a couple of days, so a digital cable connection wouldn't have helped !
 

Native_bon

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I can see the reviews for this already written in the sky. Also pricing will play a big part in how things go up or dwn. Suppose dimensions would be much bigger on the actives.
 

daveh75

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ErwinC said:
daveh75 said:
Leeps said:
Having gone as far as including a DAC, DSP, app-based tweaking et al, the icing on the cake would have been an ethernet connection and built-in streaming services (Tidal, Deezer, Spotify).  At the moment you still need to purchase another box for streaming.
They do have an Ethernet connection
 

But no DLNA network streaming or built-in streaming services? For what purpose is the ethernet connection?
For network streaming obviously.

David@FrankHarvey said:
App control. Maybe things to come...
It would be beyond idiotic to include network connectivity to then only use it for setup and control...
 

davedotco

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luckylion100

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davedotco said:
The Yamaha NX-N500 have all the functionality of the KEFs and more, Airplay, Spotify Connect, Pandora, internet radio etc. Unusually they also broadcast via Bluetooth to a Bluetooth headset.

Keeps it simple by using a single dac, so there are two interconnecting cables, analogue music plus digital control data.

About a third of the price of the KEFs for those with tighter budgets.

http://europe.yamaha.com/en/products/audio-visual/speaker-systems/network_powered_speaker/nx-n500/?mode=model
I'm very pleased with Yamaha's MusicCast system.
 

luckylion100

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This is a real pet hate of mine, totally misleading but I see that on the KEF website they're advertising them as such so What Hi-Fi are simply following their lead. Still not an accurate description. Is the term active so offensive to some, seemingly so... ;-)

What Hi-Fi clearly demonstrates the general public's perception of a wireless speaker here very well.

http://www.whathifi.com/best-buys/hi-fi/best-wireless-speakers
 

ErwinC

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avole said:
is the cable connecting the two speakers, otherwise they've covered most bases. You'd have thought they would have followed Dynaudio's lead on that one.
I don't think you need to use the interconnecting cable. You can probably also 'connect' them wireless.
 

avole

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and have cable overkill. That was to Davedotco, by the way. Also, the Yamaha is hardly at the same sonic level as the Kef, and isn't intended to be.

Your argument is also specious. Speakers normally offer the same features, as in one or two inputs plus a crossover, but, as they do, are they the same?
 

lpv

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avole said:
and have cable overkill. That was to Davedotco, by the way. Also, the Yamaha is hardly at the same sonic level as the Kef, and isn't intended to be.

Your argument is also specious. Speakers normally offer the same features, as in one or two inputs plus a crossover, but, as they do, are they the same?
these yamahas are active
 

davedotco

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avole said:
and have cable overkill. That was to Davedotco, by the way. Also, the Yamaha is hardly at the same sonic level as the Kef, and isn't intended to be.

Your argument is also specious. Speakers normally offer the same features, as in one or two inputs plus a crossover, but, as they do, are they the same?
The NX-N500 are, as I pointed out a budget setup, I have no idea how they compare in performance terms to the KEFs and given the price difference I doubt it is relevant.

The functionality appears to be a match for the KEFs, possibly even superior, but we need more information to see what the KEFs are capable of.

The 'cable overload' comment is absurd, two interconnecting cables instead of one is hardly 'overload' and more than compensated by the likelyhood of having more inbuilt capability, but in that respect we shall see.

Oh, in what way are the NS-N500 'not active'?
 

avole

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davedotco said:
avole said:
and have cable overkill. That was to Davedotco, by the way. Also, the Yamaha is hardly at the same sonic level as the Kef, and isn't intended to be.

Your argument is also specious. Speakers normally offer the same features, as in one or two inputs plus a crossover, but, as they do, are they the same?
The NX-N500 are, as I pointed out a budget setup, I have no idea how they compare in performance terms to the KEFs and given the price difference I doubt it is relevant.

The functionality appears to be a match for the KEFs, possibly even superior, but we need more information to see what the KEFs are capable of.

The 'cable overload' comment is absurd, two interconnecting cables instead of one is hardly 'overload' and more than compensated by the likelyhood of having more inbuilt capability, but in that respect we shall see.

Oh, in what way are the NS-N500 'not active'?
When we're talking about loudspeakers. Good one, Davedotco, I'll get myself a cheapo soundbar. You've saved me thousands.

Oh, this bit, taken from their website: Bi-amp 2-way powered speaker
 

lpv

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that's all you've deserved avole - cheapo, secondhand and broken soundbar.. wouldn't be far from what you have now.
 

davedotco

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avole said:
davedotco said:
avole said:
and have cable overkill. That was to Davedotco, by the way. Also, the Yamaha is hardly at the same sonic level as the Kef, and isn't intended to be.

Your argument is also specious. Speakers normally offer the same features, as in one or two inputs plus a crossover, but, as they do, are they the same?
The NX-N500 are, as I pointed out a budget setup, I have no idea how they compare in performance terms to the KEFs and given the price difference I doubt it is relevant.

The functionality appears to be a match for the KEFs, possibly even superior, but we need more information to see what the KEFs are capable of.

The 'cable overload' comment is absurd, two interconnecting cables instead of one is hardly 'overload' and more than compensated by the likelyhood of having more inbuilt capability, but in that respect we shall see.

Oh, in what way are the NS-N500 'not active'?
When we're talking about loudspeakers. Good one, Davedotco, I'll get myself a cheapo soundbar. You've saved me thousands.

Oh, this bit, taken from their website: Bi-amp 2-way powered speaker
'We're talking about' functionality, I have made no comment about sound quality.

Since you have, quite clearly, never had hands on a pair of NX-N500, I can categorically assure you that they are indeed bi-amped.

KEF's single cable data transfer is clearly more sophisticated, the NX-N500 use a single dac to overcome contention issues, hence the need for two cables. Be interesting to see if KEF can make this connection wireless.
 

avole

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lpv said:
that's all you've deserved avole - cheapo, secondhand and broken soundbar.. wouldn't be far from what you have now.
I have two soundbars connected to a cheapo CA amp. Quite willing for a bake-off, but will have to be in France.

You have ATC, I believe? Should be close!
 

avole

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davedotco said:
avole said:
davedotco said:
avole said:
and have cable overkill. That was to Davedotco, by the way. Also, the Yamaha is hardly at the same sonic level as the Kef, and isn't intended to be.

Your argument is also specious. Speakers normally offer the same features, as in one or two inputs plus a crossover, but, as they do, are they the same?
The NX-N500 are, as I pointed out a budget setup, I have no idea how they compare in performance terms to the KEFs and given the price difference I doubt it is relevant.

The functionality appears to be a match for the KEFs, possibly even superior, but we need more information to see what the KEFs are capable of.

The 'cable overload' comment is absurd, two interconnecting cables instead of one is hardly 'overload' and more than compensated by the likelyhood of having more inbuilt capability, but in that respect we shall see.

Oh, in what way are the NS-N500 'not active'?
When we're talking about loudspeakers. Good one, Davedotco, I'll get myself a cheapo soundbar. You've saved me thousands.

Oh, this bit, taken from their website: Bi-amp 2-way powered speaker
'We're talking about' functionality, I have made no comment about sound quality.

Since you have, quite clearly, never had hands on a pair of NX-N500, I can categorically assure you that they are indeed bi-amped.

KEF's single cable data transfer is clearly more sophisticated, the NX-N500 use a single dac to overcome contention issues, hence the need for two cables. Be interesting to see if KEF can make this connection wireless.
Sigh! You could try reading my post ...
 

chebby

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So is it a POS yet? Or should we wait for DM10 owners to flock to their nearest KEF outlets in November?

Dave could host a DM10 vs LS50 Active 'bake-off' at Frank Harvey Hifi!
 

manix

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Lets hope Kef learnt something from the problematic subs they sold a few years ago. I wonder if they will recommend not to keep them on standby.

Anyway it's a bad idea putting all this stuff into one box (well two) from the point of view of reliability but hey people are happy with this idea now.

Basically you can't alter the amp

You can't alter the speakers

You can't alter the dac

You want to change how it sounds, go and buy a whole new unit.

The tech goes out of date, go buy a whole new unit.

The units go wrong bad enough you write off the whole lot off.

Resale value if the tech goes out of date - not a lot
 

davedotco

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avole said:
davedotco said:
avole said:
davedotco said:
avole said:
and have cable overkill. That was to Davedotco, by the way. Also, the Yamaha is hardly at the same sonic level as the Kef, and isn't intended to be.

Your argument is also specious. Speakers normally offer the same features, as in one or two inputs plus a crossover, but, as they do, are they the same?
The NX-N500 are, as I pointed out a budget setup, I have no idea how they compare in performance terms to the KEFs and given the price difference I doubt it is relevant.

The functionality appears to be a match for the KEFs, possibly even superior, but we need more information to see what the KEFs are capable of.

The 'cable overload' comment is absurd, two interconnecting cables instead of one is hardly 'overload' and more than compensated by the likelyhood of having more inbuilt capability, but in that respect we shall see.

Oh, in what way are the NS-N500 'not active'?
When we're talking about loudspeakers. Good one, Davedotco, I'll get myself a cheapo soundbar. You've saved me thousands.

Oh, this bit, taken from their website: Bi-amp 2-way powered speaker
'We're talking about' functionality, I have made no comment about sound quality.

Since you have, quite clearly, never had hands on a pair of NX-N500, I can categorically assure you that they are indeed bi-amped.

KEF's single cable data transfer is clearly more sophisticated, the NX-N500 use a single dac to overcome contention issues, hence the need for two cables. Be interesting to see if KEF can make this connection wireless.
Sigh! You could try reading my post ...
Clearly missing something here, perhaps you could enlighten me as to what that is? *unknw*
 

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