Is this authentic? (Marantz PM6005?)
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matthewpiano
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Some German dealers are already listing a PM6005 with digital inputs for August launch, so maybe there is some truth in it.
In some ways I'd be surprised to see digital inputs on a budget Marantz amp given Mr Ishiwata's previous comments on the concept but I suppose Marantz is a commercial enterprise and in the end will have to be dictated to by what the customers want, as most hi-fi manufacturers will.
I'm more interested in seeing what they do with the M-CR610 (replacing the M-CR603) which I hear is due in the next couple of months.
In some ways I'd be surprised to see digital inputs on a budget Marantz amp given Mr Ishiwata's previous comments on the concept but I suppose Marantz is a commercial enterprise and in the end will have to be dictated to by what the customers want, as most hi-fi manufacturers will.
I'm more interested in seeing what they do with the M-CR610 (replacing the M-CR603) which I hear is due in the next couple of months.
It seem like they took the pdf offline, but I made a snapshot. But no matter how you turn it, there's no such thing as a high current dac... :wall:
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Interesting! Right now I am mulling over buying a PM6004 and an Arcam rLink DAC. If this is true then it would save me another box and a bit of cash.
I think I will hold off on my purchase for a while...
I think I will hold off on my purchase for a while...
Great news, but for me the 6005 is little to weak and I know that the 8005 gonna be very expensive so Im going for the Rotel ra12 even if I know that Marantz got more "quality".
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I wouldn't say Marantz has 'more quality' than Rotel. Rotel amps are excellent and they've always been really nicely made, particularly in places where it matter such as the quality of the power supply. I'd have another Rotel amp in a flash. Very good value and great musical companions.
Looks right.
Only suspision is the "high current DAC" thing as mentioned.
I'd weigh in my PM6003 for this! I bet it sounds great.
Only suspision is the "high current DAC" thing as mentioned.
I'd weigh in my PM6003 for this! I bet it sounds great.
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GMK said:
How much cheaper do you want one? They have been heavily discounted for months now.
My M-CR603 was £479 (+ £40 for AirPlay before it became free) in early 2011.
Now they are only £315 at Richer Sounds (and AirPlay is free).
You should have jumped when they were as low as £279 a few months ago!
The M-CR603 was launched around October 2010 so I predict (very unreliably) that the M-CR610 will go on sale October - November this year.
the page is offline....luckily i have downloaded the pdf of the 2013 and 2014 range!! (love to read brochures)
I think Marantz will clean up (again) if they do add DACs to their next line of amplifiers. There isn't a great deal of competition. I think Sansui have a cheap amp (£180 from Sevenoaks) with a DAC, but otherwise you are looking at around £600 for either a Rotel or a NAD.
Interesting, considering the Ken Ishiwata's comments in an interview in what hifi about not including DACs with amps.
I know I've commented that I didn't think DACs in amps was a trend and that it made more sense to allow the DAC section of CD players to be use with external sources, but I think it's a great move. I hope we do see more and more flexible products like this on the market at a range of prices.
I know I've commented that I didn't think DACs in amps was a trend and that it made more sense to allow the DAC section of CD players to be use with external sources, but I think it's a great move. I hope we do see more and more flexible products like this on the market at a range of prices.
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I don't think there will be much room for affordable integrated amps without DACs before long. With so many sources now being digital the inclusion of digital inputs seems almost mandatory.
I personally think the future of affordable hi-fi is in single-unit systems like the MCR603, Denon CEOL etc. I'm not sure the gains of having lots of seperate boxes are all that significant any more and I think good all-in-ones can achieve great things now. Only time will tell I suppose.
I personally think the future of affordable hi-fi is in single-unit systems like the MCR603, Denon CEOL etc. I'm not sure the gains of having lots of seperate boxes are all that significant any more and I think good all-in-ones can achieve great things now. Only time will tell I suppose.
Isnt that Ken Ishi dude merely the company's marketing pawn?
Maybe the marketing bozos thought; lets make this charismatic funny looking engineer our guru,
but before that he needs to grow a ponytail.
I currently have dc6t se's on a yamaha micro. The one upgrade I allow me to do is an amp
with dac. Its more cost effective then separate dac.
I need to connect: setup box, appletv, squeezebox and dvd-out from the micro.
hopefully pm6005 is out soon and not to expensive
Maybe the marketing bozos thought; lets make this charismatic funny looking engineer our guru,
but before that he needs to grow a ponytail.
I currently have dc6t se's on a yamaha micro. The one upgrade I allow me to do is an amp
with dac. Its more cost effective then separate dac.
I need to connect: setup box, appletv, squeezebox and dvd-out from the micro.
hopefully pm6005 is out soon and not to expensive
An alternative to the PM6005 is the new NAD D3020 amp. Don't know when it's coming out exactly but it also has a built-in DAC with optical, coaxial and USB inputs.
Now that would be a nice test!
For those who are interested here's the new Marantz catalogue. I found this link on the dutch Marantzforum: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28972766/Marantz%20Catalog%202013-2014.PDF
For those who are interested here's the new Marantz catalogue. I found this link on the dutch Marantzforum: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/28972766/Marantz%20Catalog%202013-2014.PDF
Well it seems genuine enough given the product catalogue. I wonder why the PM8005 doesn't have a built-in DAC too?
I think I will be waiting eagerly to see what happens.
I think I will be waiting eagerly to see what happens.
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Yes, it does look pretty genuine and I'm not entirely surprised that the new M-CR510 and M-CR610 mirror the Denon Ceol Piccolo and the Denon New CEOL respectively.
With regards to the lack of DAC in the PM8005, I'd guess this amp is intended as more of a performance statement (thus fitting in with Ishiwata's previous statement about integrated DACs) whereas the company have had to accept that the budget market is becoming increasingly feature driven now audio standards have reached such a high level for the money.
With regards to the lack of DAC in the PM8005, I'd guess this amp is intended as more of a performance statement (thus fitting in with Ishiwata's previous statement about integrated DACs) whereas the company have had to accept that the budget market is becoming increasingly feature driven now audio standards have reached such a high level for the money.
matthewpiano said:
Agree Matthew, I've had this view for some time now and that was one of the reasons I went for the Onkyo.
As a niche product, the integrated stereo amp probably has a future. I think most people would want simpler, smarter boxes that deliiiver high quality sound but with the functionality that a straight stereo amp can't provide.
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