is the denon 2500bt still a better bluray player then the sony bdp-s370?

[Anonymous]

The only answer to the question is to demo both players back to back

Would I buy a BT2500 again for £400.00 , well after having a demo and if I felt the Denon was better , then yes I would

It was £900.00 originally (overpriced) , and as said elsewhere it is built like a tank , nothing compares to the build other than the high end Pioneers.

I demod the Denon with a Pioneer 320 at home sale or return , not much in it for PQ but I found sound to be far better which sold me on it.

Yes its slow , only has 1 HDMI output but I can live with that.

Suppose you should consider if ever you may want 3d then a newer model might suit you better

 

[Davo2008]

Hi Jase!

I agree with you. Also, it depends on what sector of the market Denon are aiming their new players at. The 2500BT was clearly aimed at the higher end of the market with the 1800BD more aimed at the general mass-market and the 3800 for the (rich) top end. Sure, you might be able to get the next generation for under £400, but what model would it be following on from? My guess is that if you want the updated 2500bt, you'd be looking at a higher price bracket. There is no doubt at all that the 2500 is considerably better then the 1800.

 

[bigboss]

Davo2008:

Hi Jase!

I agree with you. Also, it depends on what sector of the market Denon are aiming their new players at. The 2500BT was clearly aimed at the higher end of the market with the 1800BD more aimed at the general mass-market and the 3800 for the (rich) top end. Sure, you might be able to get the next generation for under £400, but what model would it be following on from? My guess is that if you want the updated 2500bt, you'd be looking at a higher price bracket. There is no doubt at all that the 2500 is considerably better then the 1800.

Fair enough, but then, why do you think the S370 is performing better than the S760 although they're both aimed at different classes? We will have to wait for proper reviews. The price of all electronic items are coming down with subsequent generations, maybe the price merely reflects that. The market for a blu-ray player was much smaller in 2008 than in 2010. Production costs go down when more players are made & sold.

 

[pete321]

Davo2008:
Hi Jase!

I agree with you. Also, it depends on what sector of the market Denon are aiming their new players at. The 2500BT was clearly aimed at the higher end of the market with the 1800BD more aimed at the general mass-market and the 3800 for the (rich) top end. Sure, you might be able to get the next generation for under £400, but what model would it be following on from? My guess is that if you want the updated 2500bt, you'd be looking at a higher price bracket. There is no doubt at all that the 2500 is considerably better then the 1800.

I think you need to take into account blu-ray is, to a degree, still a developing format. As it's popularity grows and more are sold the price comes down. The 2500BT will I'm sure be beaten by current £300-400 players from Panasonic, Sony, Pioneer & the new Denon's.

 

[aliEnRIK]

Ronald Archiebald:
Incidentally, I just could not believe that the S370 was better than the S760 (with technology from the S5000ES) and so I bought one off E-Bay to test for myself, and I can only confirm what the WHF Review Team said.

The S760 is now back on E-Bay!

Ronald

The 5000 had filters that physically changed the picture. It makes sense that a unit like the S370 should be better as it (theoretically) sends information to the tv exactly 'as is'

 

[manicm]

Ronald Archiebald:

bigboss:I would wait for the newer Denons to be reviewed before making a purchase. The newer Sony S370 offered superior performance over the excellent S760 which is only a year old (at half the price!). I suspect the newer Denons will be an improvement over the 2500BT.

BigBoss,

Incidentally, I just could not believe that the S370 was better than the S760 (with technology from the S5000ES) and so I bought one off E-Bay to test for myself, and I can only confirm what the WHF Review Team said.

The S760 is now back on E-Bay!

Ronald

So, silly question, the 370 beat the 760 for picture quality? In that case I will flog my 360 as soon as possible, as 370s here are cheap.

 

[Davo2008]

You can't be COMPLETELY sure, as they're not out yet! The 2500 LOOKS like an expensive player. It FEELS like an expensive player. And it has excellent picture and sound. To a lot of people that is infinitely worth the price tag. I own the 2500bt and the Oppo BDP-83. Although I prefer the DVD picture of the Oppo (blu ray picture is near-identical), I wish the Oppo had the build quality of the Denon. I can't bring myself to get rid of it because it's such a good looking player! The Oppo looks almost a bit cheap and some people may be willing to sacrifice what the Oppo has to offer in order to have a player that looks like the Denon. The 2500 IMO is still an absolute bargain at £400. One thing's for sure, there won't be a new player coming out at that price level that is built like the 2500. That's a fact!!

 

[hammill]

Davo2008:

You can't be COMPLETELY sure, as they're not out yet! .... One thing's for sure, there won't be a new player coming out at that price level that is built like the 2500. That's a fact!!
I think you are contradicting yourself...

 

[Davo2008]

Haha, yes it looks like that! What I meant was I've seen pictures of some of the new models coming out, so I can say that they're not as good on the build quality front (the fact part). I haven't sseen them in action though (probably no one has?) which is why I say you can't be sure that the new ones are better.

 

[hammill]

Davo2008:

Haha, yes it looks like that! What I meant was I've seen pictures of some of the new models coming out, so I can say that they're not as good on the build quality front (the fact part). I haven't sseen them in action though (probably no one has?) which is why I say you can't be sure that the new ones are better.
I agree nobody can be sure that the new players will be better, although history suggests strongly that they will. I am not sure how you can discern the build quality from a picture.

 

[manicm]

I've got a full HD LCD, so my primary concern would be Blu-ray picture quality. And don't give me the stock reply - I don't believe all Blu-ray playback is equal.

 

[Anonymous]

a friend of mine has the first ever sony blu-ray player , and its performance is excellent , razor sharp . no better or worse than my sony s363 from last year to my eyes , all this talk of one player being clearly better (in terms of hd picture quality) than another , and then new ones being clearly better again

, has me wondering , am i going blind ? or ?

 

[Davo2008]

Easy. Here's the new 4010UD which costs over a grand...

And here's the 2010.....

An easily discernible difference. And the 2010 looks loads better than the comparable offerings from Sony (in my opinion, before people dstart going mad at me). Also, as I am compare things endlessly before I buy, a detailed comparison of all players can reveal a lot. There is a surprisingly large difference between players (picture and sound wquality too. And I agree that not all Blu ray picture is the same!

 

[Ronald Archiebald]

manicm:Ronald Archiebald:

bigboss:I would wait for the newer Denons to be reviewed before making a purchase. The newer Sony S370 offered superior performance over the excellent S760 which is only a year old (at half the price!). I suspect the newer Denons will be an improvement over the 2500BT.

BigBoss,

Incidentally, I just could not believe that the S370 was better than the S760 (with technology from the S5000ES) and so I bought one off E-Bay to test for myself, and I can only confirm what the WHF Review Team said.

The S760 is now back on E-Bay!

Ronald

So, silly question, the 370 beat the 760 for picture quality? In that case I will flog my 360 as soon as possible, as 370s here are cheap.

Yes - picture and sound quality.

 

[Davo2008]

.....and I know which one of these I'D rather have in my cabinet......

Sony S370....

Or Denon 2500BT....

 

[hammill]

Davo2008:

.....and I know which one of these I'D rather have in my cabinet......

Sony S370....

Or Denon 2500BT....



So do I, the Sony. It takes up a lot less space. Who wants a blu-ray player the size of an AV amp?

 

[bigboss]

We all have our own preferences when we buy a player. Looks are not important for me, as my AV equipment in enclosed in a cabinet. "Built like a tank" doesn't appeal me either, it's not going out for a war.

I have personally compared the 2500BT with Panasonic BD60 & PS3 & to me, there's no significant difference in 1080/24 blu-ray picture quality. So I'm happy with my BD60. I let my Kuro do the upscaling, so I'm not bothered by the player's upscaling ability. I also let my Yamaha decode audio, so the audio performance of the player doesn't bother me either. If you find a difference, fair enough, go out & spend more.

 

[Davo2008]

That's why Home Cinema is such a massive industry..... everyone's got a different view/requirement......

 

[michael hoy]

hammill:Davo2008:

.....and I know which one of these I'D rather have in my cabinet......

Who wants a blu-ray player the size of an AV amp?

I do, had a panasonic before the 2500, the 2500 oozes quality and style, and thats before you turn it on.

The PQ and SQ are still some of the best i've seen and heard.

The Panasonic felt so cheap and flimsy, the disc transport opens so smoothly and quiet on the 2500, it is just a quality item.

 

[Ronald Archiebald]

michael hoy:hammill:Davo2008:

.....and I know which one of these I'D rather have in my cabinet......

Who wants a blu-ray player the size of an AV amp?

I do, had a panasonic before the 2500, the 2500 oozes quality and style, and thats before you turn it on.

The PQ and SQ are still some of the best i've seen and heard.

The Panasonic felt so cheap and flimsy, the disc transport opens so smoothly and quiet on the 2500, it is just a quality item.

Michael Hoy,

Absolutely no dispute there. The Denon 2500BT still has the best picture and sound quality I have ever seen. Razor sharp pictures, superb black and white tones and silky motion. Sound is also on another level.

I would buy one for about £350.00 if I ever come across one. It is a truly quality machine.

Ronald

 

[Ronald Archiebald]

Davo2008:
.....and I know which one of these I'D rather have in my cabinet......

Sony S370....

Or Denon 2500BT....



That isn't the 370. It is the 360.

 

[pete321]

Personally, I just want the best player for the money I'm spending, not so interested how it looks, as long as it's black. In my house, it's only my old lady that worries about how my hifi looks, I guess some of us feel the need to get in touch with our feminine side more than others!

 

[jase fox]

michael hoy:hammill:Davo2008:

.....and I know which one of these I'D rather have in my cabinet......

Who wants a blu-ray player the size of an AV amp?

I do, had a panasonic before the 2500, the 2500 oozes quality and style, and thats before you turn it on.

The PQ and SQ are still some of the best i've seen and heard.

The Panasonic felt so cheap and flimsy, the disc transport opens so smoothly and quiet on the 2500, it is just a quality item.

And so would I ! Build quality adds to the overall experience, if its built to withstand a bomb blast then nothing is going to vibrate inside the machine etc and thats exactly why there built in that way to stop things like that happening.
Why do you all buy AV racks? The sturdier the better ye? Why do you buy cones to put underneath your equipment? Its all for the same reason and thats to stabilise your components as best you can, as vibrations can interfere with the performance. IMO when NEW technology comes out there built to an excellent standard but as soon as replacement or just new models come out build is the first to go, i dont know why it just does.

Ill keep my Denon 2500BT until it dies and i give it a funeral in the back yard, so until then it'll stay gracefully in my AV rack.

 

[jase fox]

Davo2008:
One thing's for sure, there won't be a new player coming out at that price level that is built like the 2500. That's a fact!!
Couldnt agree with you more Dave my friend.

 

[aliEnRIK]

With regards to build quality, its a good thing, but its not the be all and end all

I have a Pioneer 868 boxed up somewhere. Build quality was VERY good, and (I think) new they were around 1k to buy.

My sony S370, at a tenth of the price, far worse 'build quality', connects to the net, plays blurays and SACDs, is a FAR better player with regards to picture quality and sound quality then the 868. Now I admit theres a bit of a time gap between the two, but im simply stating that build quality, indeed price, doesnt mean its better than something cheaper and less sturdier