BigH
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Philim, the atlas titan does not seem to be available anymore? Do you know where you can buy it in UK?
BigH said:Philim, the atlas titan does not seem to be available anymore? Do you know where you can buy it in UK?
Not to mention those who think it's silly getting heated up over bits of wire!CnoEvil said:Just be aware that you are not alone..........it's just that those who believe in cables are inclined to stay clear, rather than be drawn into a fruitless polemic debate.
abacus said:Thompsonuxb said:abacus said:Thompsonuxb said:No, I'm being dead serious, Subtle difference affect what is heard in a huge way - frankly I'm suprised you cannot accept how the different properties of cables will not have an effect on an electrical signal and that can be detected by the human brain - try that repeat play test and then think about what I said.
You have obviously never done any music mix or production or you wouldn’t come out with such a ridiculous statement as that. (Can’t wait to show the comment to the studios guys next week, they will be rolling all over the floor)
As to denying that cables sound different, you are denying that they don’t, hence it has no relevance to the post.
Enjoy whatever instrument you play
Bill
Er..yes I have and one thing I know, reverb, echo and doubling of voices happens no where in nature, so I don't know which studio you've been working in no artist , living or dead will sound live they way they'll sound on a recording certainly not as good etheir...well maybe cliff Richard would...but he's the only one!
Instruments sound different too as in a sound treated room/studio - room accoustics are dampend, removed from the final cut you actually get a cleaner sharper sound on a recording...some of you people, I swear.
oh...and me denying...no, I'm telling you a fact and I would be happy to come down your studio with a couple of interconnects and prove it to you and look in your face while you die of embarressment...seriously.
1. Try playing in a cave
2. That sounds change in different acoustic environments, has been known for centuries so I can’t see the relevance. (If cables do as you say then it will apply no matter what the environment)
3. If you can find me a scientific evaluation where users have been able to tell the difference between quality cables in a managed and controlled environment then I may look into it again, (As will all musicians, Studio and Film producers) until then the facts are that they do not make a difference.
Sorry
Bill
pauln said:Thompsonuxb said:Seriously those tests you speak of....prrrft
So why not just dismiss out of hand anything that doesn't support your argument. That's bound to win over anyone sitting on the fence.
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BigH said:Philim, the atlas titan does not seem to be available anymore? Do you know where you can buy it in UK?
Alec said:Just you, me, and the cables, baby; you can leave your science at home.
pauln said:Anyone with any knowledge of science would know that different metals have different properties. The measurements in question here are not of the properties of the cable itself but of the difference between what goes in one end and what comes out the other. The electrical signal. Cables do not carry 'sound' or music or anything else that you can hear - they carry an electrical current that is eminently measurable.
pauln said:I'll finish with a quote from a well known and pretty successful British speaker designer:
It would defy known physics if a length of speaker cable, no matter how short, long or expensive or of special material construction changed the signal passing along it without there being an measurable change. The ear does not have some super acuity beyond the capabilities of fine test equipment; if you know what to measure you can always - yes always - give rational explanation to what you hear. So, the logic is this: cable changes sound > cable must change measurable parameters. There are no exceptions to this. There has to be this logical causality. The sound cannot change without the measurement changing. For there to be an audible change in sound there must be a relatively huge change in measurement, because the ear is such a poor instrument that it needs a really massive change in sensory input for that change to be detectable by the electro/mechanical/chemical processes in the head.
pauln said:I guess this is a bit like arguing about the existence of God with someone who believes. There is no proof, science tells us it's not possible yet people will not be swayed from their faith.
pauln said:@ BMF Drums - nice post, extremely well written and thought out.
To my knowledge there has never been a DBT or ABX test done where anyone has successfully differentiated between different interconnects, even one between freebies and some costing $1000. Speaker cables of different gauge were identifiable. If you could show me one instance of someone passing a test like this...
abacus said:Do a blind test with your analogue cables and you will find no difference between them, (The only reason they appear to sound different is because you were expecting a difference, it’s just one of the many failings of the human body) and the same applies to digital.
Hope this helps
Bill