Iphone 4s Eating My Credit!

[Paul.]

Also, when you send messages to people on an iPhone, if the text/mms is blue it goes as data. If it is green, it goes as a normal text/mms. If your messages are blue, it is sending by iMessage over your data allowance rather than the normal way. It uses an absolutely tiny amount of data, but on some PAYG plans that tiny amount of data could be triggering your daily minimum charge.

Go to settings, messages, and toggle off iMessage.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

just to get back on topic (how dare I lol), if I were you Gel I'd still keep an eye on that credit. You may still find your provider has sneaky ways to charge you behind the scenes, or you may have inadvertently subscribed to an app or a service which takes a regular payment by debiting your credit.

Will do - cheers.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Just to clear things up Gel, if I have upset you in anyway either in this thread or previously I apologise for that. I am aware I'm quite hard on you at times, I'll refrain from doing that in the future.

What?

You have not upset me at all. I am a bit puzzled and amused by the thread but that is about it!

Ok, good, glad to hear it, that's never been my intention.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Also, when you send messages to people on an iPhone, if the text/mms is blue it goes as data. If it is green, it goes as a normal text/mms. If your messages are blue, it is sending by iMessage over your data allowance rather than the normal way. It uses an absolutely tiny amount of data, but on some PAYG plans that tiny amount of data could be triggering your daily minimum charge.

Go to settings, messages, and toggle off iMessage.

Ah cheers, just done it. Thanks.

 

[The_Lhc]

Also, when you send messages to people on an iPhone, if the text/mms is blue it goes as data. If it is green, it goes as a normal text/mms. If your messages are blue, it is sending by iMessage over your data allowance rather than the normal way. It uses an absolutely tiny amount of data, but on some PAYG plans that tiny amount of data could be triggering your daily minimum charge.

Seems and odd thing to do, what's the supposed benefit of that?

 

[Paul.]

MMS cost 40p, 100kb of data allowance cost is negligible, assuming a reasonable data allowance. When you think about the amount a network are charging 10p for a text message, which is less than 1kb of data. Con of the century in modern times! Not so hot when your provider is charging you a minimum daily fee for data usage though.

iMessage gives you free(ish) messaging to other iOS and OS X users. Bit of a BBM clone without the secret squirrel stuff.

 

[Andy Clough]

iMessage is handy if you're on wi-fi as it sends the text message via that rather than as an SMS, so saving you any charge from your phone provider.

 

[chebby]

Also, when you send messages to people on an iPhone, if the text/mms is blue it goes as data. If it is green, it goes as a normal text/mms. If your messages are blue, it is sending by iMessage over your data allowance rather than the normal way. It uses an absolutely tiny amount of data, but on some PAYG plans that tiny amount of data could be triggering your daily minimum charge.

Seems and odd thing to do, what's the supposed benefit of that?

The benefit to me (and my daughters and some colleagues and friends and others) is that the blue texts don't come off the text allowance so - with unlimited data* - they are effectively free.

*I don't know anyone with capped data limits anymore. The last people who tried that on with me (O effing 2) saw me walk out the door to a rival to get an £11 per month cheaper contract with unlimited data and the phone I wanted for £99 rather than £199. (And superior reception in about 90 percent of the places where O2 didn't work.)

 

[professorhat]

Ironically I have unlimited texts and capped data. However, the amount of data for sending an iMessage is so small, it's really not worth worrying about.

 

[The_Lhc]

Ironically I have unlimited texts and capped data.

Yes that was the position I was approaching it from, I've never been able to find a truly "unlimited" data plan that didn't cost an absolute fortune, so I don't know where everyone else is getting them from.

However, the amount of data for sending an iMessage is so small, it's really not worth worrying about.

I can see that if you're on a contract but that seems to be a bit of a stumbling block for gel's minimum daily charge (which sounds like a rip-off as well).

 

[ukdavej]

Also, when you send messages to people on an iPhone, if the text/mms is blue it goes as data. If it is green, it goes as a normal text/mms. If your messages are blue, it is sending by iMessage over your data allowance rather than the normal way. It uses an absolutely tiny amount of data, but on some PAYG plans that tiny amount of data could be triggering your daily minimum charge.

Go to settings, messages, and toggle off iMessage.

Thanks for this snippit. I bought Mrs J an iPhone 4 the other week as her old 3G had just about had it. She asked me at the weekend "why are some messages blue" and to be honest, not being an iphone user, I had no idea why, just thought perhaps it was a "feature"

 

[The_Lhc]

*I don't know anyone with capped data limits anymore. The last people who tried that on with me (O effing 2) saw me walk out the door to a rival to get an £11 per month cheaper contract with unlimited data and the phone I wanted for £99 rather than £199. (And superior reception in about 90 percent of the places where O2 didn't work.)

Who are you with (not that it matters, I can't switch at the moment anyway)?

 

[eggontoast]

Ironically I have unlimited texts and capped data.

Yes that was the position I was approaching it from, I've never been able to find a truly "unlimited" data plan that didn't cost an absolute fortune, so I don't know where everyone else is getting them from.

However, the amount of data for sending an iMessage is so small, it's really not worth worrying about.

I can see that if you're on a contract but that seems to be a bit of a stumbling block for gel's minimum daily charge (which sounds like a rip-off as well).

Not really, you can leave the imessage turned on, as long as the mobile data is turned off it won't trigger his daily data allowance. It will however still send imessage when he's connected to a wifi network.

 

[The_Lhc]

Ironically I have unlimited texts and capped data.

Yes that was the position I was approaching it from, I've never been able to find a truly "unlimited" data plan that didn't cost an absolute fortune, so I don't know where everyone else is getting them from.

However, the amount of data for sending an iMessage is so small, it's really not worth worrying about.

I can see that if you're on a contract but that seems to be a bit of a stumbling block for gel's minimum daily charge (which sounds like a rip-off as well).

Not really, you can leave the imessage turned on, as long as the mobile data is turned off it won't trigger his daily data allowance. It will however still send imessage when he's connected to a wifi network.

So, if mobile data's turned off and he's NOT connected to a wi-fi network will it send it as a normal message?

 

[chebby]

*I don't know anyone with capped data limits anymore. The last people who tried that on with me (O effing 2) saw me walk out the door to a rival to get an £11 per month cheaper contract with unlimited data and the phone I wanted for £99 rather than £199. (And superior reception in about 90 percent of the places where O2 didn't work.)

Who are you with (not that it matters, I can't switch at the moment anyway)?

3

Lovely people. Bloke in my local branch even applied my screen protectors! Wangled a free 'tethering' deal into my contract for me when I got my iPad Mini (even though I had gone in fully expecting to buy it for £5 per month).

O2 reception was marginal at home, non-existent if indoors at work, rubbish in the city centre (even outside the O2 shop itself!), and non-existent anywhere we went in Dorset, Wiltshire, Exmoor, Dartmoor and Cornwall and most of West Sussex.

3 reception works everywhere I listed above, except parts of the Ex Valley north of Tiverton, but I don't think a mobile version of Jodrell Bank would work in Exmoor. (TV, DAB and FM seem to be non-existent there too.)

 

[eggontoast]

Ironically I have unlimited texts and capped data.

Yes that was the position I was approaching it from, I've never been able to find a truly "unlimited" data plan that didn't cost an absolute fortune, so I don't know where everyone else is getting them from.

However, the amount of data for sending an iMessage is so small, it's really not worth worrying about.

I can see that if you're on a contract but that seems to be a bit of a stumbling block for gel's minimum daily charge (which sounds like a rip-off as well).

Not really, you can leave the imessage turned on, as long as the mobile data is turned off it won't trigger his daily data allowance. It will however still send imessage when he's connected to a wifi network.

So, if mobile data's turned off and he's NOT connected to a wi-fi network will it send it as a normal message?

Aye

 

[professorhat]

Yes, it falls back to normal text messaging if it can't send via iMessage.

Gel's position sounds much like my Dad's. He has an iPhone 4S and spends most of his time in contact with a wifi network, so he has a PAYG which doesn't require monthly top up i.e. he puts £10 on and it lasts till he uses it. Because he rarely phones or texts people, this will last ages. If he uses mobile data, it costs £1 for a GB, but that's per day, so he generally leaves it switched off and only turns it on if he really needs it.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

Yes, it falls back to normal text messaging if it can't send via iMessage.

Gel's position sounds much like my Dad's. He has an iPhone 4S and spends most of his time in contact with a wifi network, so he has a PAYG which doesn't require monthly top up i.e. he puts £10 on and it lasts till he uses it. Because he rarely phones or texts people, this will last ages. If he uses mobile data, it costs £1 for a GB, but that's per day, so he generally leaves it switched off and only turns it on if he really needs it.

Yep, that is me.

 

[The_Lhc]

*I don't know anyone with capped data limits anymore. The last people who tried that on with me (O effing 2) saw me walk out the door to a rival to get an £11 per month cheaper contract with unlimited data and the phone I wanted for £99 rather than £199. (And superior reception in about 90 percent of the places where O2 didn't work.)

Who are you with (not that it matters, I can't switch at the moment anyway)?

3

Lovely people. Bloke in my local branch even applied my screen protectors! Wangled a free 'tethering' deal into my contract for me when I got my iPad Mini (even though I had gone in fully expecting to buy it for £5 per month).

O2 reception was marginal at home, non-existent if indoors at work, rubbish in the city centre (even outside the O2 shop itself!), and non-existent anywhere we went in Dorset, Wiltshire, Exmoor, Dartmoor and Cornwall and most of West Sussex.

3 reception works everywhere I listed above, except parts of the Ex Valley north of Tiverton, but I don't think a mobile version of Jodrell Bank would work in Exmoor. (TV, DAB and FM seem to be non-existent there too.)

Depends where you are, there are places where I get nothing (Dulverton is pain for example) but on the other foot there's a caravan park near us where I'm the only person to get a signal at all (I'm on 02). It does annoy me that I can't get 3G at home but everyone else can, although it doesn't matter when I'm actually at home of course, only when I'm in the village. Luckily I can pick it up on my local golf course because it's so high up so I'm probably picking up a different cell from when I'm at home.

 

[6th.replicant]

LHC -Isn't it about time you stop criticising everything you want to and let people get on with their life. Constructive advice -yes,derogatory comments no.

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[The_Lhc]

LHC -Isn't it about time you stop criticising everything you want to and let people get on with their life. Constructive advice -yes,derogatory comments no.

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Brave hero, now go read the bit where Gel says I haven't upset him at all and then mind your own business.

 

[Ravey Gravey Davy]

LHC -Isn't it about time you stop criticising everything you want to and let people get on with their life. Constructive advice -yes,derogatory comments no.

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Brave hero, now go read the bit where Gel says I haven't upset him at all and then mind your own business.

Two minutes contrition and then revert to type. Brilliant.The fact that Gel has been gracious enough to make nothing of it does not detract from the original sin.But heh,as long as your conscience is assuaged, result!.Obviously you did not go far enough for him,but since you are back on form.....

 

[bigboss]

I don't understand the need to continue this. The_Lhc apologised, & gel doesn't have any problem, Why are you provoking him again?

 

[Ravey Gravey Davy]

BB - I am not sure you are getting my view of the psychology of this.If you really want my logic,I am quite happy to divulge it but not on the forum.

 

[simonlewis]

I agree with BB, i haven't got a problem with the _lhc.