I have a Panasonic 42PZ85 and was watching the above setting on yesterday on a bluray film and a upscaled DVD. Is it me or does it make some films seem artificial?? I was a bit phased by it....I watched Wall E on bluray and it looked great, then I watched The Warriors (region1) and The Lost Boys (region 1) and it looked fantatsic but had a dreamscaped effect watching it....is it me or was I need of sleep (it was 1am)
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Nope, it's not just you! IFC is specifically designed to smooth 24fps content, which is why it suited your Blu-ray, but probably got a tad confused with your non-24fps DVDs.
However, I know many people who prefer it turned off full-stop (and you can do this, or toggle on/off as required).
As with all digital picture processing modes, we'd recommend starting with everything turned off, and then just experiment with settings to see what you prefer with which source.
However, I know many people who prefer it turned off full-stop (and you can do this, or toggle on/off as required).
As with all digital picture processing modes, we'd recommend starting with everything turned off, and then just experiment with settings to see what you prefer with which source.
Howdy folks
have any of you guys heard of or experienced a bluriness around people/moving objects when viewing with 'intelligent frame creation' turned on ? I am experiencing this and i'm assuming it must be a fault with my set ( Viera TX-P42G20B ). The picture quality is amazing but this problem is something that i cant handle. Anyone heard of this ??
ATB
Gerry..
have any of you guys heard of or experienced a bluriness around people/moving objects when viewing with 'intelligent frame creation' turned on ? I am experiencing this and i'm assuming it must be a fault with my set ( Viera TX-P42G20B ). The picture quality is amazing but this problem is something that i cant handle. Anyone heard of this ??
ATB
Gerry..
Yep, turn it off. It causes more problems than it solves, with all content, irrespective of the source.
I say that based on nearly eighteen month's of tweaking settings on my Pana G10. We simply have to face it, there isn't a television out there right now that doesn't suffer from some minor (or major) flaw. Every commercially viable large flatscreen technology has inherent problems; and as much as manufacturers try to minimise them, they inevitably rear their heads in some way.
In my opinion, motion is the trickiest problem faced by all TV manufacturers; and large, affordable OLED displays (with zero input lag) seem a more distant possibility every day...
I say that based on nearly eighteen month's of tweaking settings on my Pana G10. We simply have to face it, there isn't a television out there right now that doesn't suffer from some minor (or major) flaw. Every commercially viable large flatscreen technology has inherent problems; and as much as manufacturers try to minimise them, they inevitably rear their heads in some way.
In my opinion, motion is the trickiest problem faced by all TV manufacturers; and large, affordable OLED displays (with zero input lag) seem a more distant possibility every day...
many thanks for the response but surely they cant sell a product that clearly has a major fault ??? if they are selling the product with 'IFC' then they must surely be held responsible for any defects ? I am sending mine back to Dixons !!..
I wasn't describing IFC as a "major" problem at all. In fact it's easy to solve: simply turn this feature off and motion looks more natural.
Does your TV have serious flaws with motion otherwise? If not, I see no reason to return it. Also, I'd take some time to calibrate the display properly. Plasma TVs are sensitive; and you'd be amazed how much difference careful calibration can make to every aspect of picture performance, including motion.
Does your TV have serious flaws with motion otherwise? If not, I see no reason to return it. Also, I'd take some time to calibrate the display properly. Plasma TVs are sensitive; and you'd be amazed how much difference careful calibration can make to every aspect of picture performance, including motion.
thanks again for the reply but i would def describe bluriness around moving objects as a major flaw. yes you are correct in saying turn it off and that will obviously get rid of it but its there as a feature that does not mention possible flaws in the instruction manual. my friend has a samsung led model with the samsung equivelant and the problem does not occur on his set. i like IFC but not with its issues on my plasma.
i'm going to buy new HDMI leads that could possibly make a difference and recalibrate it using a bluray calibration disc.
thanks again for your input
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i'm going to buy new HDMI leads that could possibly make a difference and recalibrate it using a bluray calibration disc.
thanks again for your input
)
Oldboy
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gerryw1:
thanks again for the reply but i would def describe bluriness around moving objects as a major flaw. yes you are correct in saying turn it off and that will obviously get rid of it but its there as a feature that does not mention possible flaws in the instruction manual. my friend has a samsung led model with the samsung equivelant and the problem does not occur on his set. i like IFC but not with its issues on my plasma.
i'm going to buy new HDMI leads that could possibly make a difference and recalibrate it using a bluray calibration disc.
thanks again for your input)
gerryw1,
I own the 42g20 and don't use IFC atall, you have to remember that these processing modes are there to use as an option only and the g20 is far happier with it off in all cases. I have tried it with every source i own and find it as un natural as all the other motion techs out there, it introduces artefacts to the picture aswell as noise and leaves peoples skin looking like plastic (i could go on, but won't).
I don't get any blurring of an image when i switch IFC on like you describe however so i can't explain your issue but it's always best left off anyway and the picture quality is far superior when you do so. Panasonic have stated on this forum some time ago that the 42g20 is optimised for HD TV and Bluray so any SD signal won't look quite as good as other tv's but throw it lot's of HD and it's very good imo but this may go some way to explaining your issue with IFC?? Do you get the blurring in SD or HD, perhaps even both?
+1 for calibrating your screen
i use the THX mode as standard and have calibrated with the THX dvd with excellent results and have noticed gains in motion, detail colours and black detail as opposed to the standard out of the box settings
thanks again for the reply but i would def describe bluriness around moving objects as a major flaw. yes you are correct in saying turn it off and that will obviously get rid of it but its there as a feature that does not mention possible flaws in the instruction manual. my friend has a samsung led model with the samsung equivelant and the problem does not occur on his set. i like IFC but not with its issues on my plasma.
i'm going to buy new HDMI leads that could possibly make a difference and recalibrate it using a bluray calibration disc.
thanks again for your input
)gerryw1,
I own the 42g20 and don't use IFC atall, you have to remember that these processing modes are there to use as an option only and the g20 is far happier with it off in all cases. I have tried it with every source i own and find it as un natural as all the other motion techs out there, it introduces artefacts to the picture aswell as noise and leaves peoples skin looking like plastic (i could go on, but won't).
I don't get any blurring of an image when i switch IFC on like you describe however so i can't explain your issue but it's always best left off anyway and the picture quality is far superior when you do so. Panasonic have stated on this forum some time ago that the 42g20 is optimised for HD TV and Bluray so any SD signal won't look quite as good as other tv's but throw it lot's of HD and it's very good imo but this may go some way to explaining your issue with IFC?? Do you get the blurring in SD or HD, perhaps even both?
+1 for calibrating your screen
oldboy, many thanks for taking the time to reply. It def sounds like IFC should be turned off. Do you leave 24p on or do you turn that off as well? I bought Avatar on bluray and i have to admit that with 24p turned on the picture quality was far better than i expected, it really was amazing! I'm going to re-calibrate tonight and hopefully get some results.
ATB
Gerry..
ATB
Gerry..
Oldboy
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Gerry,
No i don't use the 24fps mode. Although it is specifically designed for HD i've yet to find a situation where it convinces plus you have to remember that with almost any Bluray player and tv combination these days you can watch the movie in 24fps just the way the director intended so to add further processing to that signal is just unnecessary, i like watching my HD content with as little processing as possible. I do know a few people who prefer the results you get with the processing on so it's more a personal preference...if you like the effect you get with the processing on then stick with it
Avatar looks amazing full stop...not so sure about the 'story' though LOL.
Best regards
Nick.
No i don't use the 24fps mode. Although it is specifically designed for HD i've yet to find a situation where it convinces plus you have to remember that with almost any Bluray player and tv combination these days you can watch the movie in 24fps just the way the director intended so to add further processing to that signal is just unnecessary, i like watching my HD content with as little processing as possible. I do know a few people who prefer the results you get with the processing on so it's more a personal preference...if you like the effect you get with the processing on then stick with it
Best regards
Nick.
Oldboy,
I have yet to upgrade my system to full HD / Blu-Ray yet, but can you just explain this 24fps mode that you mention. Am I right in understanding that if you play a Blu-Ray DVD then it will automatically play in 24fps (as the director intended) if the TV supports it, without any changes in settings to TV / BDP, and that your comments on turning 24FPS on/off are only directed at the TV as a general setting (i.e. to force 24fps for all sources)?
So, you turn 24fps off on the TV, but when you play a Blu-Ray DVD it will in fact play in 24fps?
Thanks and excuse my ignorance.
Paul.
I have yet to upgrade my system to full HD / Blu-Ray yet, but can you just explain this 24fps mode that you mention. Am I right in understanding that if you play a Blu-Ray DVD then it will automatically play in 24fps (as the director intended) if the TV supports it, without any changes in settings to TV / BDP, and that your comments on turning 24FPS on/off are only directed at the TV as a general setting (i.e. to force 24fps for all sources)?
So, you turn 24fps off on the TV, but when you play a Blu-Ray DVD it will in fact play in 24fps?
Thanks and excuse my ignorance.
Paul.
Oldboy
Well-known member
pauled51:
Oldboy,
I have yet to upgrade my system to full HD / Blu-Ray yet, but can you just explain this 24fps mode that you mention. Am I right in understanding that if you play a Blu-Ray DVD then it will automatically play in 24fps (as the director intended) if the TV supports it, without any changes in settings to TV / BDP, and that your comments on turning 24FPS on/off are only directed at the TV as a general setting (i.e. to force 24fps for all sources)?
So, you turn 24fps off on the TV, but when you play a Blu-Ray DVD it will in fact play in 24fps?
Thanks and excuse my ignorance.
Paul.
Paul,
You may have got a little confused here....i was referring to the 24fps IFC mode. The 42g20 has a mode on it that is specifically designed to work with 24fps bluray movies BUT it is just another version of IFC that's been tweaked to work only with 24fps content. In essence it's just another motion tech.
As for 24fps content it's only available via bluray but you are correct in saying that with most equipment these days that if it's supported then it's automatically output at the correct rate, although a few players and tv's still ask you to set up this yourself. My comments were directed at the 24fps IFC mode on the tv which smooths out standard 24fps content and not towards turning one or the other off, hope that clears it up
Oldboy,
I have yet to upgrade my system to full HD / Blu-Ray yet, but can you just explain this 24fps mode that you mention. Am I right in understanding that if you play a Blu-Ray DVD then it will automatically play in 24fps (as the director intended) if the TV supports it, without any changes in settings to TV / BDP, and that your comments on turning 24FPS on/off are only directed at the TV as a general setting (i.e. to force 24fps for all sources)?
So, you turn 24fps off on the TV, but when you play a Blu-Ray DVD it will in fact play in 24fps?
Thanks and excuse my ignorance.
Paul.
Paul,
You may have got a little confused here....i was referring to the 24fps IFC mode. The 42g20 has a mode on it that is specifically designed to work with 24fps bluray movies BUT it is just another version of IFC that's been tweaked to work only with 24fps content. In essence it's just another motion tech.
As for 24fps content it's only available via bluray but you are correct in saying that with most equipment these days that if it's supported then it's automatically output at the correct rate, although a few players and tv's still ask you to set up this yourself. My comments were directed at the 24fps IFC mode on the tv which smooths out standard 24fps content and not towards turning one or the other off, hope that clears it up
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