I hope music won't be attached anymore to any phisical objects like amp, cd, speaker, vinyl or hard drive and there won't be dealers and audiophiles anymore.
matt49
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lpv said:
Are you suggesting there'll be no need for physical objects (e.g. speakers) to reproduce sound? Good luck with that!
Blacksabbath25
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Covenanter
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matt49 said:
Just pragmatism! It's just that 20 years is beyind the life expectancy of someone of my age with my various medical conditions. In the meanwhile I'll live life to the full.
Chris
matthewpiano
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Hopefully in 15-20 years time, I'll still be enjoying the 3,000 + CDs and 500 odd LPs I've got now, and have some new ones to enjoy as well. I'm never going to move away from CD and LP as my main sources, and Spotify will remain as it is for me now - a means of trying new releases I'm unsure about before parting with the money for a hard copy. I will be adding Spotify Connect to my system with a NAD MT2, but that's as far down the streaming avenue as I'm prepared to go.
Record companies aren't entirely trying to force people away from physical media. They are riding two waves - the 'vinyl revival', and the market for deluxe editions of albums, often containing all the bonus material available, and sometimes DVDs as well. In the classical world, they're making hay with huge boxed sets, both artist and label led, the latest being a complete Philips recordings of Alfred Brendel set due out on Decca in January.
Record companies aren't entirely trying to force people away from physical media. They are riding two waves - the 'vinyl revival', and the market for deluxe editions of albums, often containing all the bonus material available, and sometimes DVDs as well. In the classical world, they're making hay with huge boxed sets, both artist and label led, the latest being a complete Philips recordings of Alfred Brendel set due out on Decca in January.
Blacksabbath25 said:
it's like anything, new technologies mean the loss of jobs in some areas (like you described) but an increase in other areas - all this new technology still needs people to write the software etc.
It's already happening (how many "audiophile" playback software applications have sprung up etc), certain hifi/accessory manufacturers trying to convince us that digital isn't just 1's and 0's etc..
Yeah it is a bit unfortunate that every time a new piece of technology comes along in the HiFi arena there's a whole league of sharlatans waiting in the wings to cream disposable income off the gullible. Years ago it was green pens for the edge of your CDs. Sales of CDs are slumping so this season it's audiophool USB cables and LAN cables. Oh and hi-res downloads, which not only do you not need and won't get the benefit from unless you're a bat, but there have already been various cases where the so-called hi-res download has been proved to be nothing more than an upscaling of the 16/44. Somehow such questionable practises seem to go hand in hand with HiFi more than any other hobby. And it ruins it I'm afraid.cheeseboy said:
MrReaper182
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matthewpiano said:
Big recored companies are trying to force people away from physical media as their number one goal is to make profit and moving away from physical media will save them money and help them make even more profit. Vinyl has such little of the shaire of the market and does not make them any money.
Pyramus
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Well, I agree that if its in the cloud, it is safer, as long as the cloud is safe. However, when the virtual version of Hurricane Katrina happens (virus or something like that), then it may not be.
Having just made the epochal decision to return to CD, (playing with the idea of dusting off the turntable), eschewing the stream and hard disk for no more than 'on the go' listening, I would go with physical storage.
I live internationally, so every few years I pack up and leave for another country. For me the convenience of the cloud or music on my laptop has been great. All my CDs and records are in my home in Austria. Having said that, they are certainly 'safe'.
Whenever I am home for a nice long Christmas or Summer holiday, I take great pleasure in sifting through old titles. It is a nostalgic 'trip' that digital just won't do: in quite the same way. I can (sometimes) remember when a CD cover got cracked, another with a ***-burn at a student party, another a no-sale copy from my step mum who worked in for Sony, and then the cover art.... Going through CDs and records like this is like going though your books, it is a visceral connection that conveys the holistic sense of 'being' far more than the seperated sound on a disk. It conveys ownership, connection and longevity.
So, here is me getting all philosophical about the merits of the physical medium. Probably as I steel myself to spend a wad of cash on a CD player, despite the fact they are as good as redundant.
As redundant as me... *crazy*
Having just made the epochal decision to return to CD, (playing with the idea of dusting off the turntable), eschewing the stream and hard disk for no more than 'on the go' listening, I would go with physical storage.
I live internationally, so every few years I pack up and leave for another country. For me the convenience of the cloud or music on my laptop has been great. All my CDs and records are in my home in Austria. Having said that, they are certainly 'safe'.
Whenever I am home for a nice long Christmas or Summer holiday, I take great pleasure in sifting through old titles. It is a nostalgic 'trip' that digital just won't do: in quite the same way. I can (sometimes) remember when a CD cover got cracked, another with a ***-burn at a student party, another a no-sale copy from my step mum who worked in for Sony, and then the cover art.... Going through CDs and records like this is like going though your books, it is a visceral connection that conveys the holistic sense of 'being' far more than the seperated sound on a disk. It conveys ownership, connection and longevity.
So, here is me getting all philosophical about the merits of the physical medium. Probably as I steel myself to spend a wad of cash on a CD player, despite the fact they are as good as redundant.
As redundant as me... *crazy*
gowiththeflow
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In the first half of 2015...remember this is revenue, not market share......
Downloads 40% (falling), Streaming 33% (rising), CD 16% (still falling), Vinyl 8% (rising),
Half of the streaming revenue (16%) comes from subscription services like Spotify, Tidal etc. The rest comes from services like Pandora and SiriusXM (12%) and advert supported free streaming options, such as Spotify's free service option (5%).
Therefore subscription paid streaming (rising) equals CD (falling), as sources of revenue.
What the figures don't say, is what the respective market shares are. For example, advert free streaming services only pull in 5% of revenue, but other figures suggest that users of these free options outnumber subscription payers by 2 to 1.
Vinyl has grown massively from only just under 2% of revenue a few years ago to 8% today, but if all the figures were adjusted to account for market share (i.e. usage), the true figure for vinyl would probably be less than 5%.. Also bear in mind the relatively high cost being charged for vinyl releases, which would tend to exaggerate vinyl's market share upwards, so the figure is probably far less than that 5% of market share.
Apply a similar downward adjustment to CD purchases and it becomes clear that hard copy physical media (CD and vinyl) account for less than 20%.
z
Downloads 40% (falling), Streaming 33% (rising), CD 16% (still falling), Vinyl 8% (rising),
Half of the streaming revenue (16%) comes from subscription services like Spotify, Tidal etc. The rest comes from services like Pandora and SiriusXM (12%) and advert supported free streaming options, such as Spotify's free service option (5%).
Therefore subscription paid streaming (rising) equals CD (falling), as sources of revenue.
What the figures don't say, is what the respective market shares are. For example, advert free streaming services only pull in 5% of revenue, but other figures suggest that users of these free options outnumber subscription payers by 2 to 1.
Vinyl has grown massively from only just under 2% of revenue a few years ago to 8% today, but if all the figures were adjusted to account for market share (i.e. usage), the true figure for vinyl would probably be less than 5%.. Also bear in mind the relatively high cost being charged for vinyl releases, which would tend to exaggerate vinyl's market share upwards, so the figure is probably far less than that 5% of market share.
Apply a similar downward adjustment to CD purchases and it becomes clear that hard copy physical media (CD and vinyl) account for less than 20%.
z
gowiththeflow said:
Which market are you referring to? RIAA figures have vinyl at 4.6% of total US music sales revenue for H1 2015.
Radio (SiriusXM, Pandora etc.) shouldn't fall in the same basket as Spotify, Tidal, Qobuz et. Radio is editorialized content that you can't control except flip the stations. In say Spotify i can listen to what I want, when I want it. It's intrinsically different.
chebby
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Vladimir said:
BBC iPlayer Radio is a little different in that it is 'on demand', so you can construct your own schedule from the last 30 days content from 20 BBC stations.
gowiththeflow
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Vladimir said:
Vlad, those stats are about the music industry's revenues from various sources. Even Ringtones, although a very small percentage, are included in the figures. So Internet radio subscription services count as well, as a royalty is paid for each track played.
daveh75
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chebby said:
It also ignores the personal radio, playlists, mixes etc functions of many of the streaming services
gowiththeflow
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andyjm said:
Not according to the RIAA mid-year 2015 figures that are published on their web site and reported across various media sites.
They give physical media as producing 24% of revenue. Of which 66% comes from CD sales and 30% comes from vinyl. Which is actually 7.2%.
The other 4% consists of Music Videos, SACD & DVD audio.
z
I remember reading on multiple occassions that Amazon sells CDs at a loss just to draw in customers to buy other things. Pretty much same as what supermarkets do. I think this inflates the CD sales a bit.
chebby
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daveh75 said:
Which is why I use one of those as well. Just making the point that BBC iPlayer Radio is not as 'passive' as only being able to flip a station.
steve_1979
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Besides when the zombie/alien/WW3 apocalipse comes I'll need a hard copy of my music if I'm to survive with my sanity intact. 
steve_1979
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...quadruple backed up with at least two backups stored off site just in case. There's a life time of music collected there and there's no way I'd ever be find all of those tracks again if I lost them. Many of them aren't even available on any of the streaming services either.
And then there's the 100's of hours of sorting and cataloging that's been done over the past 15 years too. I'd cry if I had to restart that again from scratch.
And then there's the 100's of hours of sorting and cataloging that's been done over the past 15 years too. I'd cry if I had to restart that again from scratch.
People will ruthlessly murder eachother over food and water. Meanwhile Steve will be pillaging the Taiyo Yuden factory.
radiorog
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gowiththeflow said:
Adele's latest album sold 800,000 in first few days, 250000 were downloads, the rest....CD. Discuss.
steve_1979
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Vladimir said:
No need. I already have my entire music collection stored on a Sony MP3 player which can be plugged directly in the ultra energy efficient class D amplified DM5 speakers. The whole lot could be run off a tiny solar panel providing top quality hifi sound even after the electricity has been cut off. That should be enough to see me through to the next generation when the zombies/aliens/radioactive fallout have gone.
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