[quote user="JohnDuncan"][quote user="Ashley James"] I think they should be considered as another source of music worth having and a replacement for nothing[/quote]
hear him[/quote]
Yes i did, this time and the last time and every other time he's promoted it on this forum. I don't think anyone here is disputing the fact its a viable source!!!
hear him[/quote]
Yes i did, this time and the last time and every other time he's promoted it on this forum. I don't think anyone here is disputing the fact its a viable source!!!
[quote user="matt444_2000"]
i think apple must have shares in avi
[/quote]
I've never seen AVI listed on any stock exchange.
i think apple must have shares in avi
[/quote]
I've never seen AVI listed on any stock exchange.
[quote user="Ashley James"]As I've said already, it's nothing like the compromise that vinyl is. I think they sound much better and so do many of our customers. Quite a few have started digitising their old records and ending up buying AAC's from iTunes or simply downloading MP3's from limewire because they preferred the sound. I realise that saying things like this on here is asking for a fight, but I really believe it and I can't understand why people still bother with vinyl. The only explanation I can come up with is that music is compressed for vinyl so that it will track, which means it suits low powered amps better. Most people need much more powerful amps and they do suit digital sources better. Just my thoughts Ash[/quote]
You can`t believe people still bother with vinyl? Pop round mine and see my collection I`ve gathered over the years. Read the lyric sheets without having to use a microscope. Open those gatefold covers and marvel. We`ll visit some second hand record shops together in search of new wonders and then later in the day we`ll come home and listen to just how good they sound on my wonderful turntable!
By the way. What I am about to tell you is something I heard somewhere about ten years ago so would more than likely not have included anything to do with PC based music. I believe it would have included vinyl, cd, cassette, mini-discs and whatever else might have been floating around at the time. Infact, maybe someone on this forum remembers this in greater detail than I do ...
...tests were conducted on a number of people who were made to listen to the same piece of music on several different formats. 8 (that`s EIGHT) out of ten people said that the music sounded best on VINYL. I presume they weren`t told before hand which format they were listening to as the test progressed. I wish I had the article so that I could tell you more precise details. If anyone does remember this test being conducted and has more accurate details I would like to hear from them.
You can`t believe people still bother with vinyl? Pop round mine and see my collection I`ve gathered over the years. Read the lyric sheets without having to use a microscope. Open those gatefold covers and marvel. We`ll visit some second hand record shops together in search of new wonders and then later in the day we`ll come home and listen to just how good they sound on my wonderful turntable!
By the way. What I am about to tell you is something I heard somewhere about ten years ago so would more than likely not have included anything to do with PC based music. I believe it would have included vinyl, cd, cassette, mini-discs and whatever else might have been floating around at the time. Infact, maybe someone on this forum remembers this in greater detail than I do ...
...tests were conducted on a number of people who were made to listen to the same piece of music on several different formats. 8 (that`s EIGHT) out of ten people said that the music sounded best on VINYL. I presume they weren`t told before hand which format they were listening to as the test progressed. I wish I had the article so that I could tell you more precise details. If anyone does remember this test being conducted and has more accurate details I would like to hear from them.
When you talk about music on vinyl being 'compressed' the word needs to be used very carefully as this is quite misleading. Compression occurs with mp3!!! An mp3 file has frequencies removed to reduce size and in theory the human ear will not be able to hear the difference. This type of processing does not take place with vinyl...it is an exact replica of the original recording! Now i'm not a great vinyl fan myself but mp3 certainly does not sound better than vinyl when played on a decent system...its like saying mono was better than stereo!
[quote user="oeurf"]When you talk about music on vinyl being 'compressed' the word needs to be used very carefully as this is quite misleading. Compression occurs with mp3!!! An mp3 file has frequencies removed to reduce size and in theory the human ear will not be able to hear the difference. This type of processing does not take place with vinyl...it is an exact replica of the original recording! Now i'm not a great vinyl fan myself but mp3 certainly does not sound better than vinyl when played on a decent system...its like saying mono was better than stereo![/quote]
A record does not hold an exact replica. Have you not heard of RIAA equalisation?
A record does not hold an exact replica. Have you not heard of RIAA equalisation?
[quote user="darrenwm1"][quote user="oeurf"]When you talk about music on vinyl being 'compressed' the word needs to be used very carefully as this is quite misleading. Compression occurs with mp3!!! An mp3 file has frequencies removed to reduce size and in theory the human ear will not be able to hear the difference. This type of processing does not take place with vinyl...it is an exact replica of the original recording! Now i'm not a great vinyl fan myself but mp3 certainly does not sound better than vinyl when played on a decent system...its like saying mono was better than stereo![/quote]
A record does not hold an exact replica. Have you not heard of RIAA equalisation?[/quote]
Apologies perhaps a poor choice of words...but as far as i'm aware RIAA equalisation does not 'remove' frequency data from a recording, but basically has the effect of boosting treble and reducing bass frequencies??
A record does not hold an exact replica. Have you not heard of RIAA equalisation?[/quote]
Apologies perhaps a poor choice of words...but as far as i'm aware RIAA equalisation does not 'remove' frequency data from a recording, but basically has the effect of boosting treble and reducing bass frequencies??
professorhat
Well-known member
Good read this thread. Not going to comment myself as I'm in between, love the convenience of MP3 for out and about but prefer listening to CDs on my home system just because I do. Not going to explain myself on that one guys, it's just my preference!
I did notice this comment though:
[quote user="Ashley James"]Apple is taking over the home in some orders[/quote]
Got to disagree. Now don't get me wrong, I love Apple products, I have two iPods, a Power Mac and a Mini Mac, but, other than Apple's dominance with the iPod, they're definitely not taking over the home. Maybe they should, I'm not going to argue for or against that one, but the fact is the PC outsells the Mac's computer products by magnitudes of order, the AppleTV hasn't sold in great numbers and most of the general public are unaware of wireless music streaming, let alone the Airport Express. So not sure where this comment comes from?
I did notice this comment though:
[quote user="Ashley James"]Apple is taking over the home in some orders[/quote]
Got to disagree. Now don't get me wrong, I love Apple products, I have two iPods, a Power Mac and a Mini Mac, but, other than Apple's dominance with the iPod, they're definitely not taking over the home. Maybe they should, I'm not going to argue for or against that one, but the fact is the PC outsells the Mac's computer products by magnitudes of order, the AppleTV hasn't sold in great numbers and most of the general public are unaware of wireless music streaming, let alone the Airport Express. So not sure where this comment comes from?
[quote user="andyb190"]
[quote user="JAXON5"] I think, probably,the days of listening to an album from beginning to end are becoming increasingly rare with people just downloading individual tracks they like. A shame i think.......... .[/quote]
I'm not a massive audio fan but I am aware of my increasing inability to listen to a whole albumn. I tend to fast forward through my CDs and rarely listen to it's entirity. I have to sit down a long way from the player with a large glass of something and the remote out of reach.
Used to be able to listen to X Ray Spex on repeat for hours ! Can't believe I'm losing patience with age ! Mind you, looking at the Just Jack, Jack Johnson, Natalie Embrulia etc I keep getting given I'm not surprised
[/quote]
It would seem that you're listening to rubbish music then, by rubbish artists. Any album that can't be listened to all the way through is, well, a rubbish album.
[quote user="JAXON5"] I think, probably,the days of listening to an album from beginning to end are becoming increasingly rare with people just downloading individual tracks they like. A shame i think.......... .[/quote]
I'm not a massive audio fan but I am aware of my increasing inability to listen to a whole albumn. I tend to fast forward through my CDs and rarely listen to it's entirity. I have to sit down a long way from the player with a large glass of something and the remote out of reach.
Used to be able to listen to X Ray Spex on repeat for hours ! Can't believe I'm losing patience with age ! Mind you, looking at the Just Jack, Jack Johnson, Natalie Embrulia etc I keep getting given I'm not surprised
[/quote]
It would seem that you're listening to rubbish music then, by rubbish artists. Any album that can't be listened to all the way through is, well, a rubbish album.
[quote user="Wild Willy"][quote user="andyb190"]
[quote user="JAXON5"] I think, probably,the days of listening to an album from beginning to end are becoming increasingly rare with people just downloading individual tracks they like. A shame i think.......... .[/quote]
I'm not a massive audio fan but I am aware of my increasing inability to listen to a whole albumn. I tend to fast forward through my CDs and rarely listen to it's entirity. I have to sit down a long way from the player with a large glass of something and the remote out of reach.
Used to be able to listen to X Ray Spex on repeat for hours ! Can't believe I'm losing patience with age ! Mind you, looking at the Just Jack, Jack Johnson, Natalie Embrulia etc I keep getting given I'm not surprised
[/quote]
It would seem that you're listening to rubbish music then, by rubbish artists. Any album that can't be listened to all the way through is, well, a rubbish album.[/quote]
To be fair to him he did admit as much!!!! ;-)
[quote user="JAXON5"] I think, probably,the days of listening to an album from beginning to end are becoming increasingly rare with people just downloading individual tracks they like. A shame i think.......... .[/quote]
I'm not a massive audio fan but I am aware of my increasing inability to listen to a whole albumn. I tend to fast forward through my CDs and rarely listen to it's entirity. I have to sit down a long way from the player with a large glass of something and the remote out of reach.
Used to be able to listen to X Ray Spex on repeat for hours ! Can't believe I'm losing patience with age ! Mind you, looking at the Just Jack, Jack Johnson, Natalie Embrulia etc I keep getting given I'm not surprised
[/quote]
It would seem that you're listening to rubbish music then, by rubbish artists. Any album that can't be listened to all the way through is, well, a rubbish album.[/quote]
To be fair to him he did admit as much!!!! ;-)
[quote user="professorhat"]
Good read this thread. Not going to comment myself as I'm in between, love the convenience of MP3 for out and about but prefer listening to CDs on my home system just because I do. Not going to explain myself on that one guys, it's just my preference!
I did notice this comment though:
[quote user="Ashley James"]Apple is taking over the home in some orders[/quote]
Got to disagree. Now don't get me wrong, I love Apple products, I have two iPods, a Power Mac and a Mini Mac, but, other than Apple's dominance with the iPod, they're definitely not taking over the home. Maybe they should, I'm not going to argue for or against that one, but the fact is the PC outsells the Mac's computer products by magnitudes of order, the AppleTV hasn't sold in great numbers and most of the general public are unaware of wireless music streaming, let alone the Airport Express. So not sure where this comment comes from?
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That's just it! I mean Microsoft are rubbish aren't they? Steve Jobs only wishes he was that successful!!! I happen to like Apples products but they're not some saviour for the people vs evil Bill Gates. IMHO Apple are so precious about their own image and what they'd like us to think they stand for. Ipod - fantastic but they're not the 'underground cool' they think they are!!!!! The way Ash talks about the future and how 'we' haven't cottened on to it' is to undermine our intelligence. We deserve more credit than that.
Good read this thread. Not going to comment myself as I'm in between, love the convenience of MP3 for out and about but prefer listening to CDs on my home system just because I do. Not going to explain myself on that one guys, it's just my preference!
I did notice this comment though:
[quote user="Ashley James"]Apple is taking over the home in some orders[/quote]
Got to disagree. Now don't get me wrong, I love Apple products, I have two iPods, a Power Mac and a Mini Mac, but, other than Apple's dominance with the iPod, they're definitely not taking over the home. Maybe they should, I'm not going to argue for or against that one, but the fact is the PC outsells the Mac's computer products by magnitudes of order, the AppleTV hasn't sold in great numbers and most of the general public are unaware of wireless music streaming, let alone the Airport Express. So not sure where this comment comes from?
[/quote]
That's just it! I mean Microsoft are rubbish aren't they? Steve Jobs only wishes he was that successful!!! I happen to like Apples products but they're not some saviour for the people vs evil Bill Gates. IMHO Apple are so precious about their own image and what they'd like us to think they stand for. Ipod - fantastic but they're not the 'underground cool' they think they are!!!!! The way Ash talks about the future and how 'we' haven't cottened on to it' is to undermine our intelligence. We deserve more credit than that.
professorhat
Well-known member
[quote user="Wild Willy"][quote user="andyb190"]
[quote user="JAXON5"] I think, probably,the days of listening to an album from beginning to end are becoming increasingly rare with people just downloading individual tracks they like. A shame i think.......... .[/quote]
I'm not a massive audio fan but I am aware of my increasing inability to listen to a whole albumn. I tend to fast forward through my CDs and rarely listen to it's entirity. I have to sit down a long way from the player with a large glass of something and the remote out of reach.
Used to be able to listen to X Ray Spex on repeat for hours ! Can't believe I'm losing patience with age ! Mind you, looking at the Just Jack, Jack Johnson, Natalie Embrulia etc I keep getting given I'm not surprised
[/quote]
It would seem that you're listening to rubbish music then, by rubbish artists. Any album that can't be listened to all the way through is, well, a rubbish album.[/quote]
Hmmm, that's a fairly controversial post! If I only bought albums on which I liked every single song, my collection would be very sparse indeed! However, to counter that argument, I wouldn't classify The Beatles rubbish or their album Please Please Me just because I didn't really like their song A Taste of Honey...
[quote user="JAXON5"] I think, probably,the days of listening to an album from beginning to end are becoming increasingly rare with people just downloading individual tracks they like. A shame i think.......... .[/quote]
I'm not a massive audio fan but I am aware of my increasing inability to listen to a whole albumn. I tend to fast forward through my CDs and rarely listen to it's entirity. I have to sit down a long way from the player with a large glass of something and the remote out of reach.
Used to be able to listen to X Ray Spex on repeat for hours ! Can't believe I'm losing patience with age ! Mind you, looking at the Just Jack, Jack Johnson, Natalie Embrulia etc I keep getting given I'm not surprised
[/quote]
It would seem that you're listening to rubbish music then, by rubbish artists. Any album that can't be listened to all the way through is, well, a rubbish album.[/quote]
Hmmm, that's a fairly controversial post! If I only bought albums on which I liked every single song, my collection would be very sparse indeed! However, to counter that argument, I wouldn't classify The Beatles rubbish or their album Please Please Me just because I didn't really like their song A Taste of Honey...
I do not own one Apple product and for the forseeable future have no intention of doing so! I'm afraid I don't see 'their future' as the future...
Charlie Jefferson
Well-known member
[quote user="andyb190"]Used to be able to listen to X Ray Spex on repeat for hours ! Can't believe I'm losing patience with age ! Mind you, looking at the Just Jack, Jack Johnson, Natalie Embrulia etc I keep getting given I'm not surprised
ÿ[/quote]
In this fragmented, music saturated landscape of ours there's loads of fantastic tunes (old and new) out there. Don't know what you're looking for but there's certainly more interesting stuff beyond the uniformed drabness of Jack/Jack & Nat. In the last 24 hours I've been enthralled by My Morning Jacket. Fleet Foxes, Wilco, Louvin Brothers, Beth Orton, Martha Wainwright & Beth Rowley. Some old, some new - all good stuff. Almost up there with X-Ray Spex.
ÿ[/quote]
In this fragmented, music saturated landscape of ours there's loads of fantastic tunes (old and new) out there. Don't know what you're looking for but there's certainly more interesting stuff beyond the uniformed drabness of Jack/Jack & Nat. In the last 24 hours I've been enthralled by My Morning Jacket. Fleet Foxes, Wilco, Louvin Brothers, Beth Orton, Martha Wainwright & Beth Rowley. Some old, some new - all good stuff. Almost up there with X-Ray Spex.
timwileman
Well-known member
is wasnt born.........it was spawned by the deepest darkest of black magic ...... well its better than milk tray 
discuss...
discuss...[quote user="professorhat"]
Good read this thread. Not going to comment myself as I'm in between, love the convenience of MP3 for out and about but prefer listening to CDs on my home system just because I do. Not going to explain myself on that one guys, it's just my preference!
I did notice this comment though:
[quote user="Ashley James"]Apple is taking over the home in some orders[/quote]
Got to disagree. Now don't get me wrong, I love Apple products, I have two iPods, a Power Mac and a Mini Mac, but, other than Apple's dominance with the iPod, they're definitely not taking over the home. Maybe they should, I'm not going to argue for or against that one, but the fact is the PC outsells the Mac's computer products by magnitudes of order, the AppleTV hasn't sold in great numbers and most of the general public are unaware of wireless music streaming, let alone the Airport Express. So not sure where this comment comes from?
[/quote]
a big +1 on this! ipods are great and certainly very popular. however, i dont know anyone that has actually bought a apple pc of any kind and certainly none of the numerous companies i have worked for have ever utuilised apple pc's either.
with regards to the music/convenience side of this debate - well it seems patience is becoming a thing of the past. i find the more time i INVEST in an album the more rewards i reep. that said i dont listen to pop music so maybe i am not subjected to a hideous number of "filler" tracks that is are associated with pop albums...
Good read this thread. Not going to comment myself as I'm in between, love the convenience of MP3 for out and about but prefer listening to CDs on my home system just because I do. Not going to explain myself on that one guys, it's just my preference!
I did notice this comment though:
[quote user="Ashley James"]Apple is taking over the home in some orders[/quote]
Got to disagree. Now don't get me wrong, I love Apple products, I have two iPods, a Power Mac and a Mini Mac, but, other than Apple's dominance with the iPod, they're definitely not taking over the home. Maybe they should, I'm not going to argue for or against that one, but the fact is the PC outsells the Mac's computer products by magnitudes of order, the AppleTV hasn't sold in great numbers and most of the general public are unaware of wireless music streaming, let alone the Airport Express. So not sure where this comment comes from?
[/quote]
a big +1 on this! ipods are great and certainly very popular. however, i dont know anyone that has actually bought a apple pc of any kind and certainly none of the numerous companies i have worked for have ever utuilised apple pc's either.
with regards to the music/convenience side of this debate - well it seems patience is becoming a thing of the past. i find the more time i INVEST in an album the more rewards i reep. that said i dont listen to pop music so maybe i am not subjected to a hideous number of "filler" tracks that is are associated with pop albums...
i would imagine the ratio of homes with a pc or laptop compared to the apple equivalent would be heavily stacked in favour of pc. Maybe 70-80%
We all use Apples in the office. It's a publishing thang.
At home we have three PC laptops - two Dells and a cheapie Philips from PC World, bought as an emergency purchase -, and an Asus EeePC. No Apples.
Read into that what you will...
At home we have three PC laptops - two Dells and a cheapie Philips from PC World, bought as an emergency purchase -, and an Asus EeePC. No Apples.
Read into that what you will...
[quote user="Andrew Everard"]
We all use Apples in the office. It's a publishing thang.
At home we have three PC laptops - two Dells and a cheapie Philips from PC World, bought as an emergency purchase -, and an Asus EeePC. No Apples.
Read into that what you will...
[/quote]
I've never used MacOS though I may have a go soon - windozzzzzzzzzzzzzze Vista is slowly killing me
We all use Apples in the office. It's a publishing thang.
At home we have three PC laptops - two Dells and a cheapie Philips from PC World, bought as an emergency purchase -, and an Asus EeePC. No Apples.
Read into that what you will...
[/quote]
I've never used MacOS though I may have a go soon - windozzzzzzzzzzzzzze Vista is slowly killing me
i dont know what the big hoo hah is with vista, ive been using it for a year with not one problem, runs flawelessly on my laptop.
it seems alot of people dont get on with it through
it seems alot of people dont get on with it through
[quote user="matt444_2000"]i dont know what the big hoo hah is with vista, ive been using it for a year with not one problem, runs flawelessly on my laptop.
it seems alot of people dont get on with it through[/quote]
Same here.
it seems alot of people dont get on with it through[/quote]
Same here.
[quote user="matt444_2000"]i would imagine the ratio of homes with a pc
or laptop compared to the apple equivalent would be heavily stacked in
favour of pc. Maybe 70-80%[/quote]
I think you'll find it's probably nearer 90:10. Or maybe even more. One of the most recent figures I saw for Apple computer market penetration in the States was just over 6%.
or laptop compared to the apple equivalent would be heavily stacked in
favour of pc. Maybe 70-80%[/quote]
I think you'll find it's probably nearer 90:10. Or maybe even more. One of the most recent figures I saw for Apple computer market penetration in the States was just over 6%.
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