Dont know yet, think I might change for the Panasonic now. Which one are you getting?rocketrazor said:
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spiny norman said:
idiotic cnet..making fun of my tv! watching the man in the high castle with hdr looks AMAZING!! 5x more realistic and pleasant to watch. and it will only be more well utilised on the format. as the brights were bright but not realistic supposedly on that show, got to wait for proper hdr i guess!
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Mad Max Fury Road 3D and San Andreas 3D are both available at HMV under the "two discs for £25" scheme - as it happens, I was there this evening!
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The Panasonic 65" 4K OLED is on display at Richer Sounds in Edinburgh. I spent about 12 minutes watching it today, in the company of the taller installer who delivered my Sony 16 days ago. The Panasonic looked very good with 4K material, though I couldn't in all honesty say that it looked any better than the Samsung 48JS9000 which was also in the shop, when it was also showing 4K material. I do have to say that when we played a 1080p Blu-ray (Godzilla, to be precise) on the Panasonic, it didn't look any better than 1080p material looks on any of my own 1080p televisions. I know that the Panasonic has deeper blacks than the Samsung, but the two televisons were in different parts of the shop and in isolation, the Samsung looked mighty fine. I don't doubt that if the two sets were next to each other, the Panasonic's superior blacks would be apparent, but I suppose that most owners of Samsung SUHD televisions don't have them sitting next to an OLED!
I had heard that on some 4K televisions, 1080p material upscaled can look better than 1080p material on a Full HD 1080p television, but that was not true in this case. Certainly the Panasonic TX65CZ952B, when playing 1080p material, didn't give me anything like the same "Wow" factor that bigboss's 1080p projector and screen combination gave me a year ago. Gel, you might have to buy lots of 4K Blu-ray discs in order to get your new television looking good ..... I do so hope that it doesn't disappoint you when it is playing sub-4K material.
I had heard that on some 4K televisions, 1080p material upscaled can look better than 1080p material on a Full HD 1080p television, but that was not true in this case. Certainly the Panasonic TX65CZ952B, when playing 1080p material, didn't give me anything like the same "Wow" factor that bigboss's 1080p projector and screen combination gave me a year ago. Gel, you might have to buy lots of 4K Blu-ray discs in order to get your new television looking good ..... I do so hope that it doesn't disappoint you when it is playing sub-4K material.
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rocketrazor said:
I apologise for my error in post #178 - in this article http://www.whathifi.com/news/panasonics-4k-blu-ray-player-to-cost-ps599-and-go-sale-in-april it does say that the two discs will be the 4K versions, not the 1080p 3D versions. So rocketrazor's calculation is correct!
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Son_of_SJ said:
and this is what every body is moaning about on AVF re the lg 9500 oled because sky and most 1080p BD disks look very sub standard on the 4K. You need top notch content to make these sets shine, Panasonic and lg oleds..
Son_of_SJ said:
exactly. no real difference! that's why i couldn't justify spending anymore on the tv that was available in 2015. you are maybe getting 5% better picture (not including the blacks of oled) over the equivalent suhd. and for a premium of £5000 extra! even the lg 4k oled at £2300 wasn't viable option.
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Certainly when playing 4K material, it is unanimously considered to give the best picture on a domestic television that the world has ever seen. The possible issue might arise when it is playing non-4K material??
gel said:
i think the new g6 might claim that title soon
also..the samsung/lg 8k tv's are the "best" in the world, even though they aren't for sale.gel said:Pretty interesting review - also saying unless you have a top TV no point. I will be alright then. *smile*ellisdj said:The comment on unless you have HDR the improvement benefit over Blu Ray is minimal.
I think thats because its mostly only 2k Content available and will change over tim - one hopes
4k blu ray will look better on my tv or equivalent to yours gel. one reason if it's true that the 4k resolution doesn't add that much on it's own. i myself don't really notice it. the other reason is HDR, which i've touched on before, saying that your tv doesnt go very bright. although it sort of makes up with the oled blacks. better highlights look more pleasant than pure black on hdr content to me. it's a shame the panasonic for such a high price and time of release can't perform better for HDR. only around 100cdm/2 brighter than a midrange sony 8509 4k tv..
Setup setup setup setup
The panny oled is a connoisseurs tv.
2 reference calibrated images on 2 displays will always look similar then better motion colour accuracy and black level are what seperate good from the great. Hence why the kuro still looks good all these years later
The PJ is separated by the huge image which for movies can't be beaten there is also a certain look to a projected image that is addictive.
Shame I can't show you mine SonofSJ the scope ratio screen and the 4k up scaled image and better lens etc is very special for the most part.
The panny oled is a connoisseurs tv.
2 reference calibrated images on 2 displays will always look similar then better motion colour accuracy and black level are what seperate good from the great. Hence why the kuro still looks good all these years later
The PJ is separated by the huge image which for movies can't be beaten there is also a certain look to a projected image that is addictive.
Shame I can't show you mine SonofSJ the scope ratio screen and the 4k up scaled image and better lens etc is very special for the most part.
gel said:
I'm not mate, to early for 4K for me. Not willing to fork that much for a TV, not willing to fork out the cost of the player and not willing to fork our the cost of the £30 discs either. Don't have Netflick or Amazon Prime so no real point in 4K for me at the moment. Will wait for reasonable price TV's, players and discs. Think I would prefer a 1080p projector which I'm still trying to convince the wife about having one in the lounge!!!!
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rocketrazor said:
Those, for you rocketrazor, are four good reasons to wait just now. Others will make different judgements which will be valid for them. I don't have Netflix, Amazon Prime, Sky or Virgin, I'm strictly a Freeview HD and Freesat HD kinda guy!
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ellisdj said:
Oh, I don't doubt you for one moment, ellisdj! Bigboss's 1080p projector and screen combination was really impressive, and if yours additionally does 4K then - gosh!
I bought my new Sony TV in prefence to a projector because of: a) ease of use; (b) I do still watch quite a bit of standard definition TV, such as Quest, YourTV, CBS Reality, and I'm not convinced that I a projector is that great at showing standard definition, as opposed to Full HD material and (c) I just like the look of a very big TV on my stand! (the Optimum AV300 stand, which is the same as Gel's). Even when the damn TV is switched off!
I agree totally TV's are plug and play and you can watch them confortably with dim light and get 90% the performance or better with the better sets. TV looks better on a TV I think as well
PJ's are a real pain, you have to plan a lot of stuff in and design things around the screen and PJ location.
You then have long cable runs etc.
I know BB has not done so but I also think to get the full benefit of a PJ you need to properly bat cave the room.
I have seen the same PJ on different screens in different rooms - the best it looked by miles was in a tomb like black room. Even if only to frame the image in blackness so that all you can see is the screen.
But a Good PJ image is addictive I couldnt get it out of my mind once I had witnessed it but I can still appreciate a good TV image. Lets hope Gel can take some decent pictures this time
PJ's are a real pain, you have to plan a lot of stuff in and design things around the screen and PJ location.
You then have long cable runs etc.
I know BB has not done so but I also think to get the full benefit of a PJ you need to properly bat cave the room.
I have seen the same PJ on different screens in different rooms - the best it looked by miles was in a tomb like black room. Even if only to frame the image in blackness so that all you can see is the screen.
But a Good PJ image is addictive I couldnt get it out of my mind once I had witnessed it but I can still appreciate a good TV image. Lets hope Gel can take some decent pictures this time
Hey! *biggrin*ellisdj said:I agree totally TV's are plug and play and you can watch them confortably with dim light and get 90% the performance or better with the better sets. TV looks better on a TV I think as well
PJ's are a real pain, you have to plan a lot of stuff in and design things around the screen and PJ location.
You then have long cable runs etc.
I know BB has not done so but I also think to get the full benefit of a PJ you need to properly bat cave the room.
I have seen the same PJ on different screens in different rooms - the best it looked by miles was in a tomb like black room. Even if only to frame the image in blackness so that all you can see is the screen.
But a Good PJ image is addictive I couldnt get it out of my mind once I had witnessed it but I can still appreciate a good TV image. Lets hope Gel can take some decent pictures this time
How should I setup my Samsung 4K up scaling Blu-Ray player and TV for when I get it? Should I setup the Samsung to do 4K up Scaling?
I realy want to hang out for an Audiocom upgraded Oppo. If I buy anything else I know I will regret it.,
I could be tempted by the new Panasonic if it has a torodial based power supply - however its highly unlikely otherwise I am sure it would be an advertised selling featuire and I didnt see it on the spec. So we will see.
I could really do with the extra res and bit rate sitting as close as I do but I also expect it to take a good while before the 4K blu rays are trumping the standard Blu Rays. I have no HDR on my PJ I bought last years model so wont get any benefit from that.
I could be tempted by the new Panasonic if it has a torodial based power supply - however its highly unlikely otherwise I am sure it would be an advertised selling featuire and I didnt see it on the spec. So we will see.
I could really do with the extra res and bit rate sitting as close as I do but I also expect it to take a good while before the 4K blu rays are trumping the standard Blu Rays. I have no HDR on my PJ I bought last years model so wont get any benefit from that.
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