How would you bribe your mrs for a harmony one?

[Alantiggger]

Running 123....

''Regarding your other illogical and absurd ideas, I'd keep them to yourself, lest they take hold in minds inferior even to yours.''

If all you are after is an argument .... go look on the internet man as what I offered up was an off the cuff thing ... go look here and widen your horizons :

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/longlife.html

and here : http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/medical/hormones-endocrinology_vkgp.html

There are many many more sites on, or to do with your field of study.

It will be much better put to you from these types of links and a lot nicer to read than however I would write back to you as I wouldn't wish to be simply cheeeky back to your good self.... but do not wish to as it would be foolish reading and likely to get be banned from the forum.... and I quite like this forum as there are lots of friendly helpful things written by well informed and well meaning people here... a wealth of knowledge to me ... so go knock yourself out with the reading and if you wish you can contact these fellows who will be far more versed and of a higher intelligence level than I.

A great man once said ''a man's got to know his limitations''

Woops I forgot to say that I am looking into buying one of the Harmony One's as I have around six different remotes now

 

[chudleighpaul]

Just go and buy it, its your money your spending, not hers.

 

[professorhat]

If all you are after is an argument .... go look on the internet man as what I offered up was an off the cuff thing ... go look here and widen your horizons :

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/longlife.html

and here : http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/medical/hormones-endocrinology_vkgp.html

There are many many more sites on, or to do with your field of study.

The authors of these websites could have saved themselves a lot of time by simply writing "God did this. He is able to do this because he is God". Not sure christians need much more evidence than that do they?

 

[hammill]

If all you are after is an argument .... go look on the internet man as what I offered up was an off the cuff thing ... go look here and widen your horizons :

http://www.godandscience.org/apologetics/longlife.html

and here : http://www.androidzoom.com/android_applications/medical/hormones-endocrinology_vkgp.html

There are many many more sites on, or to do with your field of study.

The authors of these websites could have saved themselves a lot of time by simply writing "God did this. He is able to do this because he is God". Not sure christians need much more evidence than that do they?

Indeed. At times like this, Python always springs to mind

http://www.lyricsdepot.com/monty-python/all-things-dull-and-ugly.html

 

[Alantiggger]

Lol you don't need to be a christian to believe that a God, infinite being.... call him/her/it what you'd like created everything.

Jews do not believe Christ as the messiah but I'm sure they believe that it was God... same with Arabs who did all the creating.

 

[professorhat]

Lol you don't need to be a christian to believe that a God, infinite being.... call him/her/it what you'd like created everything.

Jews do not believe Christ as the messiah but I'm sure they believe that it was God... same with Arabs who did all the creating.

Okay, substitute "christians" in my post for "members of one of the established religions" - better?

Besides, I have no issue with the idea that some being created the universe - it's not something I necessarily believe, but I have an open mind and if anyone can prove either argument, then I'm happy to listen. But when it comes to taking anything written in the Bible as "fact" (or any other ancient religious text for that matter), and then attempting to prove these "facts" with fanciful suggestions that look vaguely scientific, then I'll pass thanks.

 

[The_Lhc]

You know I've been wondering why this thread was still before I gave into my curiousity and had a look. I didn't predict this would be the reason...


Alan, the fact that you've linked the Big Bang and evolution together shows you know absolutely nothing about either theory, Evolution has nothing to do with the Big Bang, so your attempts to use one to discredit the other is laughable. For what it's worth the Big Bang isn't even the most popular theory for how the Universe came into being at the moment, large sections of the astrophysical community prefer other ideas but none of us knows which one is correct at this stage and, crucially, *we're not afraid to admit that*.

I've got no problem with people believing in God, I was raised a Catholic, my mother is still a devout Catholic, although she isn't a biblical literalist like you seem to be.

Personally I don't understand why creationists have such a problem with evolution. If, as you've stated, God made the laws of Physics then what exactly is the problem with the idea of him lighting the spark at the start of the Universe and then letting it all unfold as it has done? If he's omnipotent he would have known exactly how the universe would have unfolded, given the starting conditions he must have imposed (I presume you're not going to suggest he just got lucky), so would have known exactly how matter would have condensed from the early universe, coalesced into accretion discs, formed into proto-solar systems, and generating planets all over the universe, INCLUDING ultimately creating our world and all the conditions thereupon for life to evolve at its own pace.

Why do you have to believe that he just snapped his fingers and it all appeared fully formed? What I've described above fits perfectly with Genesis, if you're prepared to accept that as a metaphor. Go back 5000 years to the people that Genesis was written for and imagine trying to explain the previous paragraph to them (I think I've done this before here but I'll do it again, just for the hell of it), it would go something like this:

"Oh LORD, how did all this come about?"

"I made it all"

"Really? How?"

"Well, in the beginning there was nothing, so I caused that nothing to explode, with some carefully selected parameters for the mass and charge of the fundamental particles, so that the expanding universe would eventually cool sufficiently for all the energy (which is equivalent to mass you know) to coalesce into matter (but not anti-matter, that'll keep them guessing for eons!), as things further expand gravity will cause this matter to clump together and accrete in glowing balls of gas that will undergo nuclear fusion and for the first few billion years will create all the other elements required, when these early stars detonate their mass back into the universe these new elements will be able to come together to form rocky bodies, eventually forming this planet and all like it and then over the next 5 billion years or various complex chemical combined together to make simple life forms which gradually got more and more complex until, well, here you are!"

"Err, what? Ooh a stick!"

"Um, right. Try this: In the beginning there was nothing and I said "LET THERE BE LIGHT! and there was light."

"oh, right, that makes sense than that other stuff you were going on about! what happened next?"

If you want God in your world, then that's how it happened.

Oh, one other thing, Evolution is NOT a religion, it's not a belief. It's a theory that best fits the observed facts and there are PLENTY of scientists who think it can be improved upon and are looking for the evidence to prove their ideas.

That's the difference between science and religion. Science holds onto a theory for only as long as the observed evidence agrees with that theory and then it's discarded. Religion believes its tenets regardless of any evidence against them and despite any lack of evidence in support of them. In fact the word FAITH itself means "belief in something without evidence for that belief".

Personally I don't believe in God, if he ever existed either he isn't paying us any attention now or he's a cruel and sadistic being who delights in seeing us brutalise each other, you only have to look at what we're doing to ourselves around the world to realise that a loving God would have stepped in a long time ago and don't bring up the Devil and say it's his doing, if God can't deal with the Devil then he isn't omnipotent and where does that leave your beliefs then?

 

[chebby]

So if I'm wandering along a deserted beach - on an uninhabited island - and come across a Harmony One universal remote control lying in the sand, I have to conclude that not only did it have a 'creator', but that there is probably an entire AV system out there somewhere as well?

 

[noogle]

From what I've read on this forum, the only hi-fi equipment created by God is the AVI ADM 9.1s...

 

[chebby]

Form what I've read on this forum, the only hi-fi equipment created by God is the AVI ADM 9.1s...

Their creator only thinks he's god.