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CnoEvil

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They are taking a hard line so that the German people will want to remain. If Germany votes to leave then the EU is gone and the Euro is history. Our economy is going to soar as we are free from all the red tape. Germans will want to follow us eventually, but the longer the politicians stay in, the longer they can keep their back-handers and corruption receipts flowing.
Merkel has certainly lost a lot of popularity, but is still running at a level of more than 40%....so is the odds on favorite to remain Chancellor. One of the main reasons for her drop in favour was her open door migration policy. If she softens her view on that, it would probably have more effect than taking a hard line with the UK....in fact she is the one taking a more pragnmatic approach to Brexit than the leaders of some other countries.

IMO. We are going to enter a world of red tape, as we renegotiate 39 trade deals covering 65 countries (without any trade negotiators)....and that doesn't include the extra red tape that we will need to comply with in order to sell into the Single Market (that we've currently got free access to).

...and as for our economy soaring....I'm not so sure, if there is any truth in this: http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-banks-idUKKCN12M0TZ
 

jjbomber

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CnoEvil said:
Merkel has certainly lost a lot of popularity, but is still running at a level of more than 40%....so is the odds on favorite to remain Chancellor. ....in fact she is the one taking a more pragnmatic approach to Brexit than the leaders of some other countries.

...and as for our economy soaring....I'm not so sure, if there is any truth in this: http://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-britain-eu-banks-idUKKCN12M0TZ
Merkel has the German car manufacturers on their knees begging her to do a free trade deal with the UK. She has to be more pragmatic. If push comes to shove, she will leave the EU rather than upset German business. If german workers turn against her, she is out.

No truth in the scare mongering at all. I talk to about 30 businesses a day and the vast majority say business is very good. If you look at the Footsie 250, that is at 18,000; close to an all time high. Britain is booming. The media love bad news but you need to rise above it. Start taking your positive pills for breakfast once again!
 

CnoEvil

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Merkel has the German car manufacturers on their knees begging her to do a free trade deal with the UK. She has to be more pragmatic. If push comes to shove, she will leave the EU rather than upset German business. If german workers turn against her, she is out.

No truth in the scare mongering at all. I talk to about 30 businesses a day and the vast majority say business is very good. If you look at the Footsie 250, that is at 18,000; close to an all time high. Britain is booming. The media love bad news but you need to rise above it. Start taking your positive pills for breakfast once again!
The problem is, the deal we get isn't simply down to Germany.....and the deal we get will determin whether Britain will continue to flourish.
 

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CnoEvil said:
The problem is, the deal we get isn't simply down to Germany.....and the deal we get will determine whether Britain will continue to flourish.
It will be. If Merkel says sign there or we leave, they will sign.
 

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CnoEvil said:
The problem is, the deal we get isn't simply down to Germany.....and the deal we get will determine whether Britain will continue to flourish.
It will be. If Merkel says sign there or we leave, they will sign.
Wallonia didn't listen with regards to Canada....and neither will any EU country that has a vested interest in exploiting the UK's situation to get what it wants eg Spain and Girbraltar.
 

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CnoEvil said:
jjbomber said:
CnoEvil said:
The problem is, the deal we get isn't simply down to Germany.....and the deal we get will determine whether Britain will continue to flourish.
It will be. If Merkel says sign there or we leave, they will sign.
Wallonia didn't listen with regards to Canada....and neither will any EU country that has a vested interest in exploiting the UK's situation to get what it wants eg Spain and Girbraltar.
Is what it comes down to. Wallonia as part of Belgium exports a substantial proportion of it's farm produce to the uk, they will not want tarrifs.

The primary objections will come from eastern european countries for whom the money earned by their workers in the uk and returned to eastern europe is actually a substantial part of their economy, restricting movement of workers will cost the Baltic states, Poland and others a lot of money.

The killer though is the trade with Germany, the inbalance is massive, the car industry alone stands to loose billions with thousands of jobs at stake, bringing more pressure on the economy and the insolvent German banks.

The EU has been a disaster since the adoption of the 'Greater Deutschmark', I live partly in southern Spain and the destruction there has been immense, whatever happens we are better off out.
 

CnoEvil

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Is what it comes down to. Wallonia as part of Belgium exports a substantial proportion of it's farm produce to the uk, they will not want tarrifs.

The primary objections will come from eastern european countries for whom the money earned by their workers in the uk and returned to eastern europe is actually a substantial part of their economy, restricting movement of workers will cost the Baltic states, Poland and others a lot of money.

The killer though is the trade with Germany, the inbalance is massive, the car industry alone stands to loose billions with thousands of jobs at stake, bringing more pressure on the economy and the insolvent German banks.

The EU has been a disaster since the adoption of the 'Greater Deutschmark', I live partly in southern Spain and the destruction there has been immense, whatever happens we are better off out.
The whole thing's an utter mess. There is certainly a good argument for putting trade first and foremost (which is the view put forward by some Brexiteers)...but it isn't as simple as that. The whole of the integrity of the EU is at stake.

I believe that all hell would break out if we get a far more favorable deal than other countries outside the EU...both from the countries that have to comply with the regulations and from the countries who have a worse arrangement. The far right parties would have a ball.

To my mind, reform is the only option that doesn't lead to a Lose/Lose situation.
 

davedotco

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CnoEvil said:
davedotco said:
Is what it comes down to. Wallonia as part of Belgium exports a substantial proportion of it's farm produce to the uk, they will not want tarrifs.

The primary objections will come from eastern european countries for whom the money earned by their workers in the uk and returned to eastern europe is actually a substantial part of their economy, restricting movement of workers will cost the Baltic states, Poland and others a lot of money.

The killer though is the trade with Germany, the inbalance is massive, the car industry alone stands to loose billions with thousands of jobs at stake, bringing more pressure on the economy and the insolvent German banks.

The EU has been a disaster since the adoption of the 'Greater Deutschmark', I live partly in southern Spain and the destruction there has been immense, whatever happens we are better off out.
The whole thing's an utter mess. There is certainly a good argument for putting trade first and foremost (which is the view put forward by some Brexiteers)...but it isn't as simple as that. The whole of the integrity of the EU is at stake.

I believe that all hell would break out if we get a far more favorable deal than other countries outside the EU...both from the countries that have to comply with the regulations and from the countries who have a worse arrangement. The far right parties would have a ball.

To my mind, reform is the only option that doesn't lead to a Lose/Lose situation.
On your view.

I was very pro-EU until quite recently.

Finally I realised the reality, the EU is a function of globalism, and it all depends on what you think this means, modest changes in economic conditions are trivial in comparison.

Personally I want nothing to do with it, but I think it is irresistable, the UK will be just another third world warzone in a decade or two.
 

CnoEvil

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davedotco said:
On your view.

I was very pro-EU until quite recently.

Finally I realised the reality, the EU is a function of globalism, and it all depends on what you think this means, modest changes in economic conditions are trivial in comparison.

Personally I want nothing to do with it, but I think it is irresistable, the UK will be just another third world warzone in a decade or two.
I have never been a particular fan of the EU, but a bit like the US election choice, it's the lesser of two evils (imo)

It will take a severe existential threat (like Brexit), to trigger meaningful change within the EU.
 

davedotco

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CnoEvil said:
davedotco said:
On your view.

I was very pro-EU until quite recently.

Finally I realised the reality, the EU is a function of globalism, and it all depends on what you think this means, modest changes in economic conditions are trivial in comparison.

Personally I want nothing to do with it, but I think it is irresistable, the UK will be just another third world warzone in a decade or two.
I have never been a particular fan of the EU, but a bit like the US election choice, it's the lesser of two evils (imo)

It will take a severe existential threat (like Brexit), to trigger meaningful change within the EU.
For a full on political discussion. I was really trying to make the point that the upheaval that is starting to take place in Europe will make any minor economic changes irrelevant.

Regarding it's effect on the hi-fi business, prices will change, value for money will shift and the (specialised) industry will continue it's decline. It will be completely wiped out by the final destruction of western Europe, which I fear is only a decade or two away. Trivial in the grand scheme of things.
 

Electro

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davedotco said:
CnoEvil said:
davedotco said:
On your view.

I was very pro-EU until quite recently.

Finally I realised the reality, the EU is a function of globalism, and it all depends on what you think this means, modest changes in economic conditions are trivial in comparison.

Personally I want nothing to do with it, but I think it is irresistable, the UK will be just another third world warzone in a decade or two.
I have never been a particular fan of the EU, but a bit like the US election choice, it's the lesser of two evils (imo)

It will take a severe existential threat (like Brexit), to trigger meaningful change within the EU.
For a full on political discussion. I was really trying to make the point that the upheaval that is starting to take place in Europe will make any minor economic changes irrelevant.

Regarding it's effect on the hi-fi business, prices will change, value for money will shift and the (specialised) industry will continue it's decline. It will be completely wiped out by the final destruction of western Europe, which I fear is only a decade or two away. Trivial in the grand scheme of things.
I agree but I would go a step further and say it will be worldwide destruction .

I have been warning of this for many years and have started threads connected to this in the off topic section .

Expect civil war in the US within ten years, famine and death across the world especially china and India combined with many small wars across the world over food and water and fertile land.

There will be 50 to 100 years of hell on earth untill the human population is reduced to a sustainable level.

Oh and even AVI will be forced out of business .*smile*

Just to cheer you up have a look at this . *unknw*

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
 

CnoEvil

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Electro said:
I agree but I would go a step further and say it will be worldwide destruction .

I have been warning of this for many years and have started threads connected to this in the off topic section .

Expect civil war in the US within ten years, famine and death across the world especially china and India combined with many small wars across the world over food and water and fertile land.

There will be 50 to 100 years of hell on earth untill the human population is reduced to a sustainable level.

Oh and even AVI will be forced out of business .*smile*

Just to cheer you up have a look at this . *unknw*

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
....and I thought I was pessimistic.

We'll be grand, unless America and Russia drag us into WW3.
 

davedotco

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CnoEvil said:
Electro said:
I agree but I would go a step further and say it will be worldwide destruction .

I have been warning of this for many years and have started threads connected to this in the off topic section .

Expect civil war in the US within ten years, famine and death across the world especially china and India combined with many small wars across the world over food and water and fertile land.

There will be 50 to 100 years of hell on earth untill the human population is reduced to a sustainable level.

Oh and even AVI will be forced out of business .*smile*

Just to cheer you up have a look at this . *unknw*

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
....and I thought I was pessimistic.

We'll be grand, unless America and Russia drag us into WW3.
Is already taking place. Europe is in the throws of an invasion that it is doing nothing to resist.

Sweden is already, effectively, destroyed, France, Belgium and Germany are not far behind. Encouraged by the hard left 'progressives' european culture and it's way of life is being systematically destroyed.

The election of the Clinton Crime family in the USA will only bring this forward, Europe well be another third world warzone in a couple of decades, some parts already are.
 

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This thread should get the WHF Award for the most depressing!

At least if we are all doomed in a few years I can blow my modest pension pot on a new system, and some music to play on it!
 

davedotco

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CnoEvil said:
nopiano said:
This thread should get the WHF Award for the most depressing!
It's really bad if it's even more depressing than a Mains Product thread. *sad*
Mains products will cease to be relevant when the electricity is switched off. If it is not blowing a gale and bright sunshine, there will be no power.
 

Electro

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nopiano said:
This thread should get the WHF Award for the most depressing!

At least if we are all doomed in a few years I can blow my modest pension pot on a new system, and some music to play on it!
It's Ok it won't all happen overnight, it will be a gradual process of decline over the next couple of decades but don't let that stop you buying that new system .*smile*

There is always a chance that our wonderful leaders will realise that they will also die in the coming series of disasters and decide to change things, there is still time to do so but I am not holding my breath .

The trouble is that many people will sell their souls and the souls of there childen for a few extra pounds in their own pocket .

The whole human selfish and arrogant attitude needs to be changed if we are to survive.

We must work with the planet rather that just use it all up if we are to have any quality of life .
 

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Electro said:
davedotco said:
CnoEvil said:
davedotco said:
On your view.

I was very pro-EU until quite recently.

Finally I realised the reality, the EU is a function of globalism, and it all depends on what you think this means, modest changes in economic conditions are trivial in comparison.

Personally I want nothing to do with it, but I think it is irresistable, the UK will be just another third world warzone in a decade or two.
I have never been a particular fan of the EU, but a bit like the US election choice, it's the lesser of two evils (imo)

It will take a severe existential threat (like Brexit), to trigger meaningful change within the EU.
For a full on political discussion. I was really trying to make the point that the upheaval that is starting to take place in Europe will make any minor economic changes irrelevant.

Regarding it's effect on the hi-fi business, prices will change, value for money will shift and the (specialised) industry will continue it's decline. It will be completely wiped out by the final destruction of western Europe, which I fear is only a decade or two away. Trivial in the grand scheme of things.
I agree but I would go a step further and say it will be worldwide destruction .

I have been warning of this for many years and have started threads connected to this in the off topic section .

Expect civil war in the US within ten years, famine and death across the world especially china and India combined with many small wars across the world over food and water and fertile land.

There will be 50 to 100 years of hell on earth untill the human population is reduced to a sustainable level.

Oh and even AVI will be forced out of business .*smile*

Just to cheer you up have a look at this . *unknw*

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
The world's population has increased and decreased throughout history commensurate with the ability of humanity to produce food, apart from instances of pestilence like the black death. If there are insufficient resources then it would become a situation of the survival of the most ruthless rather than the survival of the fittest. Russia, China or the US?

However, more realistically, you seem to discount humanities ability to invent new methods of increasing production - Who, in say 1816, would ever haver entertained the notion that the world could support as large a population as it does now in 2016?
 
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We must work with the planet rather that just use it all up if we are to have any quality of life .

Sadly, not much chance of that with the population explosion expodential.

After 37 years of flying mostly long haul, I have witnesed wholesale deforestation from 35,000' and on the ground. Our brave lads fought the Japanese in the jungles of Burma and Malaysia, much of it now gone. The smoke from slash and burn sometimes envelopes Singapore from Sumatra. Huge fires were visable at night over northern Brazil. The lungs of the planet. The route into LAX takes you just south of Vegas and along Lake Mead. The water levels have fallen dramatically over the last ten years due to the rapidly expanding population. On the way there over Greenland and Baffin island you can see the retreating ice cap (although it might have slowed, allegedly) Made you very aware flying a machine burning 12000 litres an hour! Still if I hadn't done it, some one else would.

Back to HiFi, IMHO, budget HiFi with small margins will see the most pressure from the exchange rates. The £ to Singapore $ is 1.8 vs @ 3.1 a decade ago. Not many bargains these days.
 

Electro

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pauln said:
Electro said:
I agree but I would go a step further and say it will be worldwide destruction .

I have been warning of this for many years and have started threads connected to this in the off topic section .

Expect civil war in the US within ten years, famine and death across the world especially china and India combined with many small wars across the world over food and water and fertile land.

There will be 50 to 100 years of hell on earth untill the human population is reduced to a sustainable level.

Oh and even AVI will be forced out of business .*smile*

Just to cheer you up have a look at this . *unknw*

http://www.worldometers.info/world-population/
The world's population has increased and decreased throughout history commensurate with the ability of humanity to produce food, apart from instances of pestilence like the black death. If there are insufficient resources then it would become a situation of the survival of the most ruthless rather than the survival of the fittest. Russia, China or the US?

However, more realistically, you seem to discount humanities ability to invent new methods of increasing production - Who, in say 1816, would ever haver entertained the notion that the world could support as large a population as it does now in 2016?
It's true the planet with advances in technology can sustain a substantial increase in population levels, but would you be satisfied with just existing on earth rather than living a full and fruitful life ?

Low skilled people in great numbers are not needed by the system now in fact they are a burden to most governments and they don't have a clue what to do with them, their only funtion now is to consume copious amounts of unnecessary toxic junk to keep the global machine running and the top faceless people wealthy whilst destroying the planet in the process.
 

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jjbomber said:
emperor's new clothes said:
After 37 years of flying mostly long haul, I have witnesed wholesale deforestation from 35,000'
They have forests at 35,000'? I've only ever seen them on the ground.
The human race is cutting off the branch it's sitting on .*stop*
 

pauln

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Electro said:
Low skilled people in great numbers are not needed by the system now in fact they are a burden to most governments and they don't have a clue what to do with them, their only funtion now is to consume copious amounts of unnecessary toxic junk to keep the global machine running and the top faceless people wealthy whilst destroying the planet in the process.
You are venturing into dangerous territory... a subject covered by many sci fi writers.
 

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