How long to run-in speakers and amps
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My speakers definitely. The new Dali's have been the making of my system. After 30 hours use they opened up...loads more base and treble became smoother
I did have some Warfy 9.1's and whilst they did improve with use, the difference was nowhere near as dramatic.
I did have some Warfy 9.1's and whilst they did improve with use, the difference was nowhere near as dramatic.
idc
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A Spanish hifi site, Hifi Matrix e-mailed various speaker makers and the results varied from no running in to hours to we know the speakers do run in because audiophiles tell us so.
Various tests of woofers have found that the frequency response does change with use over a number of hours. But, if rested they will return to their original state. So burning in is only temporary and if speakers are used regularly remains, otherwise not. I have not found any such testing with tweeters.
Another forum which wanted to try two same brand headphones to see if there was burn in found that no two headphones new measured exactly the same. Then, it was debatable whether those differences were audible or not before burn in and once one was burned in and the other not, how could that result be used to show burn in with all headphones?
As for solid state hifi equipment, there is no evidence to support burn in causing audible differences, but the ear tuning itself to the new sound is as least as likely a cause of such burn in.
Various tests of woofers have found that the frequency response does change with use over a number of hours. But, if rested they will return to their original state. So burning in is only temporary and if speakers are used regularly remains, otherwise not. I have not found any such testing with tweeters.
Another forum which wanted to try two same brand headphones to see if there was burn in found that no two headphones new measured exactly the same. Then, it was debatable whether those differences were audible or not before burn in and once one was burned in and the other not, how could that result be used to show burn in with all headphones?
As for solid state hifi equipment, there is no evidence to support burn in causing audible differences, but the ear tuning itself to the new sound is as least as likely a cause of such burn in.
Really depends on the system
Id say a few weeks normal use for speakers to be near optimum, but anything upto 3 months to be fully bedded in
Anything from a few hours to a couple of weeks for an amp (My arcam amp sounded absolutely awful when I 1st bought it. My dads just bought a very expensive chord power amp thats exactly the same)
Id say a few weeks normal use for speakers to be near optimum, but anything upto 3 months to be fully bedded in
Anything from a few hours to a couple of weeks for an amp (My arcam amp sounded absolutely awful when I 1st bought it. My dads just bought a very expensive chord power amp thats exactly the same)
idc
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Give it a rest idc
You said that already in the post above (and every other post you make)
Its not our ears for one simple reason, if it was, then bass would shake the floor from the off. It doesnt, so the equipments running in.
My arcam made my speakers sound like only the tweeter and midrange was working when I first plugged it in. Now it has the capabilities of moving my sofa with the monstrous bass. Your deluding yourself if you believe thats my 'ears' at fault.........
But whatever. I really dont want to hear your thoughts on my posts anymore
You said that already in the post above (and every other post you make)
Its not our ears for one simple reason, if it was, then bass would shake the floor from the off. It doesnt, so the equipments running in.
My arcam made my speakers sound like only the tweeter and midrange was working when I first plugged it in. Now it has the capabilities of moving my sofa with the monstrous bass. Your deluding yourself if you believe thats my 'ears' at fault.........
But whatever. I really dont want to hear your thoughts on my posts anymore
Run-in for amps is roughly the time it takes them to warm up, twenty minutes max.
Although in theory, since they're in part mechanical, speakers should also need to run in, it's really only with cartridges that I've noticed a demonstrable difference. I'm inclined to think a lot of the rest is your ears getting used to the sound.
Although in theory, since they're in part mechanical, speakers should also need to run in, it's really only with cartridges that I've noticed a demonstrable difference. I'm inclined to think a lot of the rest is your ears getting used to the sound.
By the way, alienrik, idc has the same right to express his opinions as you do. I have to admit that, in my experience on this forum, you both tend to say exactly the same things time after time which does become irksome, but there are plenty of people reading these threads for the first time who would no doubt find both your opinions of interest.
In my experience 'speakers can take up to hundreds of hours to fully "bed-in". I've owned a few pairs from new and sometimes the difference can be quite profound... I once demo'd some PMC FB1's that hadn't been used at all, have to say I didn't get along with them anyway, but fresh out of box they were utterly unlistenable and I was sure that there was a fault with them! I left them running for a few days, with a disk on repeat while I was at work, and they gradually improved to something that I could sit infront of, albeit not for very long...
Grottyash:By the way, alienrik, idc has the same right to express his opinions as you do. I have to admit that, in my experience on this forum, you both tend to say exactly the same things time after time which does become irksome, but there are plenty of people reading these threads for the first time who would no doubt find both your opinions of interest.
If someone asks about equipment running in then your right, we both have a right to say whatever we like
What I asked for was not to comment on my post. Its incredibly boring to me now. idc had already made his point ABOVE my post
If someone asks about equipment running in then your right, we both have a right to say whatever we like
What I asked for was not to comment on my post. Its incredibly boring to me now. idc had already made his point ABOVE my post
i would say a couple of weeks to a couple of month to run speakers in properly. recently bought a pair of RX2's and they are taking alot of time to run in.
Given that speakers have moving parts of varying types, number of drivers, etc., etc., then you can probably allow running in periods of various lengths to get them up to speed. Electronics will be at their optimum temperature within an hour. Whatever length of time it takes for anything else to happen will vary based on your views on this issue.
Grottyash:
Run-in for amps is roughly the time it takes them to warm up, twenty minutes max.
Although in theory, since they're in part mechanical, speakers should also need to run in...snip...I'm inclined to think a lot of the rest is your ears getting used to the sound.
I share this opinion.
Run-in for amps is roughly the time it takes them to warm up, twenty minutes max.
Although in theory, since they're in part mechanical, speakers should also need to run in...snip...I'm inclined to think a lot of the rest is your ears getting used to the sound.
I share this opinion.
I couldn't agree with IDC in relation my new Dali's.
Out of the box they were good but now they are wow! I am hearing stuff from my CD's unheard before....lower base notes...much fuller base and now much smoother treble. This is not "getting used to them". The current improvements were not there when brand new.
I had a major issue with bad treble and when brand new they indicated their potential but still left me feeling short changed. Now completely different when I play the usual suspects...nice and smooth for the most part so I don't have to wince any more.
Out of the box they were good but now they are wow! I am hearing stuff from my CD's unheard before....lower base notes...much fuller base and now much smoother treble. This is not "getting used to them". The current improvements were not there when brand new.
I had a major issue with bad treble and when brand new they indicated their potential but still left me feeling short changed. Now completely different when I play the usual suspects...nice and smooth for the most part so I don't have to wince any more.
In the 20-odd years that I've been dabbling in hi-fi, I've found that a new pair of speakers always requires a decent break-in while amps and CD players are usually up and running after a couple of hours.
The benefits of proper speaker run-in shouldn't be understated. For example, when I hooked up my new Spendor SA1s to my Naims, the sound was disappointingly flat and uninvolving. I emailed Spendor and they replied that the SA1s require about 48-60 hours of break-in before they opened up. True enough, this was indeed the case, though I think 80-100 hours is a better guide.
The benefits of proper speaker run-in shouldn't be understated. For example, when I hooked up my new Spendor SA1s to my Naims, the sound was disappointingly flat and uninvolving. I emailed Spendor and they replied that the SA1s require about 48-60 hours of break-in before they opened up. True enough, this was indeed the case, though I think 80-100 hours is a better guide.
ive had 4 pairs of speakers over the last 10 years and gotta say that yes speakers do need running in. Some more than others. for example. the wharfedales i have sounded pretty good straight out of the box and didnt change that much over time, but the RX2's i have sounded horrible straight out of the box. Bass was very thin and the treble was very harsh. Over time they are sounding better and better though
Most if not all hifi speakers require 'bedding in' to sound at their best
Strange how the cable sceptics think they dont because they cant find evidence anywhere of this
I wonder if they ever actually use thier ears??
Strange how the cable sceptics think they dont because they cant find evidence anywhere of this
I wonder if they ever actually use thier ears??
i've noticed an amp 'warming up', but never running in.
speakers i've had ranged from no appreciable change from new, to needing a few hours.
speakers i've had ranged from no appreciable change from new, to needing a few hours.
aliEnRIK:
Give it a rest idc
You said that already in the post above (and every other post you make)
Its not our ears for one simple reason, if it was, then bass would shake the floor from the off. It doesnt, so the equipments running in.
My arcam made my speakers sound like only the tweeter and midrange was working when I first plugged it in. Now it has the capabilities of moving my sofa with the monstrous bass. Your deluding yourself if you believe thats my 'ears' at fault.........
But whatever. I really dont want to hear your thoughts on my posts anymore
I don't think I just speak for myself when I say that your continuous confrontational attitude is becoming very boring!
Give it a rest idc
You said that already in the post above (and every other post you make)
Its not our ears for one simple reason, if it was, then bass would shake the floor from the off. It doesnt, so the equipments running in.
My arcam made my speakers sound like only the tweeter and midrange was working when I first plugged it in. Now it has the capabilities of moving my sofa with the monstrous bass. Your deluding yourself if you believe thats my 'ears' at fault.........
But whatever. I really dont want to hear your thoughts on my posts anymore
I don't think I just speak for myself when I say that your continuous confrontational attitude is becoming very boring!
Clare Newsome:Please all play nicely, people
Maybe some well placed advice/demand might help Clare, as in "give it a rest" as it is all becoming a little predictable!
Maybe some well placed advice/demand might help Clare, as in "give it a rest" as it is all becoming a little predictable!
Surely posters are allowed to request people dont quote them if they have nothing nice to say about the post? 'Everyone' should be able to post without fear of being quoted or replied to and (an attempt at) being ridiculed.
My personal stance is im going to ignore all posts I dont agree with, all I ask is people do the same for mine.
If im wrong then please say as such, I thought posts would be less confrontational that way
My personal stance is im going to ignore all posts I dont agree with, all I ask is people do the same for mine.
If im wrong then please say as such, I thought posts would be less confrontational that way
Is this thread not unlike the situation, whereby when you take possestion of a new car you dont drive it at 80 mph and slam the brakes on,you take it easy for a while.
Also I leave my stuff on standby all the time so its constantly ready for action, and warmed up.
Also I leave my stuff on standby all the time so its constantly ready for action, and warmed up.
aliEnRIK said:
It is better to have your say rather than ignoring posts imho.
The forum will become a very boring place if postings people think are wrong or misleading go unchallenged.
OK, I'll say it, you're wrong.aliEnRIK said:
You're also being needlessly confrontational - don't forget that, while people may disagree with you, it doesn't mean they don't respect your opinions.
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