How good is OLED!

[strapped for cash]

True, but it was on the same dynamic settings as the LEDs around it because I checked and they were still beating it for performance on normal TV. Whereas mine always beat the TVs next to it on the same settings, and it is suppose to be the same TV.

Well, the 930 and 980 are definitely not the same TV.

I'm sure LG have switched out a few components with a view to reducing manufacturing costs. As discussed in reviews, the 930 also forces some digital noise reduction, which may scrub out some picture detail.

I'm still of the view that it's virtually impossible to evaluate a television's performance in a brightly lit store. LED televisions always look punchy under bright shop lighting; it's only once you get the TV home that the technology's limitations become apparent.

Anyway, I wouldn't worry about it.

You've got a great TV that you're happy with; and I'd be inclined to stick in your situation, even if 4K OLED seems alluring.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

True, but it was on the same dynamic settings as the LEDs around it because I checked and they were still beating it for performance on normal TV. Whereas mine always beat the TVs next to it on the same settings, and it is suppose to be the same TV.

Well, the 930 and 980 are definitely not the same TV.

I'm sure LG have switched out a few components with a view to reducing manufacturing costs. As discussed in reviews, the 930 also forces some digital noise reduction, which may scrub out some picture detail.

I'm still of the view that it's virtually impossible to evaluate a television's performance in a brightly lit store. LED televisions always look punchy under bright shop lighting; it's only once you get the TV home that the technology's limitations become apparent.

Anyway, I wouldn't worry about it.

You've got a great TV that you're happy with; and I'd be inclined to stick in your situation, even if 4K OLED seems alluring.

Yep, I think I will probably stick, I can't see the point in buying another 55-inch it would have to be 65-inch which is going to cost some. It would also have to 65-inches to get the full benefit of 4K.

 

[Son_of_SJ]

I think Panasonic will have better calibration controls than LG but definitely worth waiting for Samsung.

I'm not sure if that's right, to say that one has better calibration controls than the other.. In the five-page article about calibration in the April 2014 issue (number 232) of Home Cinema Choice, Steve Withers says "In terms of specific brands, Panasonic and LG TVs offer excellent calibration controls and dedicated ISF Day and Night modes. Samsung TVs don't have ISF certification but they also have a comprehensive set of calibration controls."

 

[Series1boy]

Well I am talking about a tv that isnt out yet, if it does actually, the panasonic. You are talking about TVs that were out last year and in an article that came out last year too so I do have a right to say that I THINK they will have better controls. I may be wrong or right, but you don't know as well son of. So, let's watch this space shall we....

 

[Son_of_SJ]

...... so I do have a right to say that I THINK they will have better controls. I may be wrong or right, but you don't know as well son of. So, let's watch this space shall we....

Indeed you do have a right to say that you THINK that they will have better controls, Series1boy. Hence I wisely said "I'm not sure if that's right", I wasn't being dogmatic. Yes, let's see what calibration controls the 2015 models turn out to have, you could be correct! I will say with certainty though, that having had Samsung, Panasonic and LG plasmas, they all have excellent calibration controls. Oh, my forum name is Son_of_SJ. The 'SJ' part is quite important, since he was my father.

 

[Series1boy]

Oh, my forum name is Son_of_SJ. The 'SJ' part is quite important, since he was my father.

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thanks for pointing this out to me, really appreciated... you can call me what you want; I'm not 1 for titles and won't be offended if you call me S1 or series1 or whatever... i don't demand respect...!

 

[bigboss]

Calm down guys.

 

[Son_of_SJ]

I am calm, and I'm sure that Series1boy is also! *smile*

 

[Deleted member 2457]

OLED?.. Am not sure.. I will explain my own findings about the LG EC930v tv. I had to exchange two of these tvs. So I had 3 in total before I decided not for me. Here are my reasons.

1) My self and my partner found it hard to watch the 930 for long periods of time due to blur issues.

2) Does not fair well with Standard definition.

3) very bad software response & memory error messages when on the internet.

4)Even being able to display the best blacks around, black scenes did not display as much details as I have seen from some sony sets.

The real area this tv really excels is with contrast. The deep blacks really make pictures on then pop out. When you see such scenes you almost forget the rest of the problems. Yes before you say, I know everything TV has its own problems, but I think LG cut too much corners to make to the 930 OLED affordable.

Am looking at the new breed of tvs this year to see if LG has ironed out some of the issues. I will be a fool to think the 2015 tvs will be problem free, but may be more manageable. If this can be done then LG will have gold on their hands.

Not good! I don't think that TV is good with normal viewing either. That is basically my findings with it too.

 

[Series1boy]

I am calm, and I'm sure that Series1boy is also! *smile*

i'm very calm *dirol*

 

[Native_bon]

OLED?.. Am not sure.. I will explain my own findings about the LG EC930v tv. I had to exchange two of these tvs. So I had 3 in total before I decided not for me. Here are my reasons.

1) My self and my partner found it hard to watch the 930 for long periods of time due to blur issues.

2) Does not fair well with Standard definition.

3) very bad software response & memory error messages when on the internet.

4)Even being able to display the best blacks around, black scenes did not display as much details as I have seen from some sony sets.

The real area this tv really excels is with contrast. The deep blacks really make pictures on them pop out. When you see such scenes you almost forget the rest of the problems. Yes before you say, I know every TV has its own problems, but I think LG cut too much corners to make to the 930 OLED affordable.

Am looking at the new breed of tvs this year to see if LG has ironed out some of the issues. I will be a fool to think the 2015 tvs will be problem free, but may be more manageable. If this can be done then LG will have gold on their hands.

 

[Son_of_SJ]

My model is fantastic for sure though.

Yes gel, we're all happy for you, but that must be galling for anyone who wanted an OLED machine, because your model, the 980W, is no longer available, and seems to be clearly better in several respects than the 930V. the more qualifed review by HDTVtest, but both reviews state that the calibration controls on the 930V don't work properly, which is not good.

And there are some flatly contradictory things between other reviews. For instance, the What Hi-Fi review says that "There is virtually no picture noise, unlike plasma," but the Home Cinema Choice (issue 243, February 2015) review says "But the panel technology is reminiscent of plasma in other ways, too. There's a tendency towards pixel fizz, which can be quite prominent on some material." Another contradiction, regarding the amount of shadow detail, is between the Digital Trends Review (reviewing the Americal equivalent model) which says " ...shadow detail (is) pulled off exceptionally by the 9300" and the Home Cinema Choice review, which says "OLED is deceptive, though. Pure black aside, there's no more shadow detail on display here than you'll find on any well turned-out LED screen." And Native_bon mentions in his informative post number 34, that despite the great blacks, the shadow detail is not great. I am puzzled by this. Surely the whole point of better black levels is to be able to resolve subtle details within the blacks, as I can see now between my new Panasonic plasma and my much-maligned LG plasma. The Panasonic has much deeper blacks AND shows more shadow detail. The HCC review also mentions that the 930V struggles with the famous scene in Kill Bill 2, where Uma Thurman is buried alive. I had thought that that was a scene tailor-made for OLED's great blacks, but it seems not. Finally for now, the Digital Trends review mentions one significant flaw of the 930V, distracting judder. That may be what Native_bon refers to in his point number 1, blur issues.

What can the ordinary punter make of all these quite different reviews of what should be the same machine? I can surmise only that there is some variation in the quality control of the various OLED 930V sets that went out for review to the various publications.

Just wanted to praise OLED again though!

Indeed gel, and you've started an (other!) OLED thread, and your model, the 980W, is worthy of praise, but the successor model seems less so. So to anwer the implied question that is the title of this thread "How good is OLED!" the answer seems to be - the 980W is good, but the 930V not so much.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

My model is fantastic for sure though.

Yes gel, we're all happy for you, but that must be galling for anyone who wanted an OLED machine, because your model, the 980W, is no longer available, and seems to be clearly better in several respects than the 930V. the more qualifed review by HDTVtest, but both reviews state that the calibration controls on the 930V don't work properly, which is not good.

And there are some flatly contradictory things between other reviews. For instance, the What Hi-Fi review says that "There is virtually no picture noise, unlike plasma," but the Home Cinema Choice (issue 243, February 2015) review says "But the panel technology is reminiscent of plasma in other ways, too. There's a tendency towards pixel fizz, which can be quite prominent on some material." Another contradiction, regarding the amount of shadow detail, is between the Digital Trends Review (reviewing the Americal equivalent model) which says " ...shadow detail (is) pulled off exceptionally by the 9300" and the Home Cinema Choice review, which says "OLED is deceptive, though. Pure black aside, there's no more shadow detail on display here than you'll find on any well turned-out LED screen." And Native_bon mentions in his informative post number 34, that despite the great blacks, the shadow detail is not great. I am puzzled by this. Surely the whole point of better black levels is to be able to resolve subtle details within the blacks, as I can see now between my new Panasonic plasma and my much-maligned LG plasma. The Panasonic has much deeper blacks AND shows more shadow detail. The HCC review also mentions that the 930V struggles with the famous scene in Kill Bill 2, where Uma Thurman is buried alive. I had thought that that was a scene tailor-made for OLED's great blacks, but it seems not. Finally for now, the Digital Trends review mentions one significant flaw of the 930V, distracting judder. That may be what Native_bon refers to in his point number 1, blur issues.

What can the ordinary punter make of all these quite different reviews of what should be the same machine? I can surmise only that there is some variation in the quality control of the various OLED 930V sets that went out for review to the various publications.

Just wanted to praise OLED again though!

Indeed gel, and you've started an (other!) OLED thread, and your model, the 980W, is worthy of praise, but the successor model seems less so. So to anwer the implied question that is the title of this thread "How good is OLED!" the answer seems to be - the 980W is good, but the 930V not so much.

Agreed. I am in love with mine, but the 930V is the same TV according to LG, but in reality clearly not though, sadly. I do worry about future models now too, because the 930V can look really good which is why I imagine it has got so good reviews, but then on some sources it shows flaws, which I imagine any OLED would look good, but then I guess you are going to have to buy one to see what is fully going on.

I am going to be interested in 65-inch models now and can't wait to see the 4K one in action. There should be at least two new 65-inch models this year too. How is your Panasonic going now? Do you think you will get Steve Withers to calibrate it again?

 

[Son_of_SJ]

I shall resume my campaign to get you to quote selectively!!

How is your Panasonic going now?

Better, or maybe I'm just getting used to it, but as it's in the parlour I don't watch it much, but enough to get up to 200 hours before too much longer.

Do you think you will get Steve Withers to calibrate it again?

Well, he couldn't calibrate it again, since he's not calibrated it previously, but yes, I will ask him to do it around March or April, if he's free.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

I shall resume my campaign to get you to quote selectively!!

How is your Panasonic going now?

Better, or maybe I'm just getting used to it, but as it's in the parlour I don't watch it much, but enough to get up to 200 hours before too much longer.

Do you think you will get Steve Withers to calibrate it again?

Well, he couldn't calibrate it again, since he's not calibrated it previously, but yes, I will ask him to do it around March or April, if he's free.

Nice one. *smile*

 

[Son_of_SJ]

I shall resume my campaign to get you to quote selectively!!

Failed completely, I see.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

I shall resume my campaign to get you to quote selectively!!

Failed completely, I see.

I'll give it another go. *smile*

 

[Son_of_SJ]

I'll give it another go. *smile*

Wey-hey! But I'll believe that when it actually happens!

 

[strapped for cash]

In case anyone's interested, it seems 4K OLED isn't quite there yet...

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/65ec9700-201501193990.htm

Even more reason to hang on to your TV, Gel.

 

[Native_bon]

As a former experienced electrical light fitter,I would say that Oled lighting tech is not perfected and need to improve.Need to improve on the luminance a lot lot more.LED lighting has reached its max potential and can go brighter than OLED.(1000 plus nits) IQ colour nanacrystals is often used as filter gels on light fittings and can produce the daylight wave spectrum very faithfully as if you were viewing daylight indoors. Improved from the 200 year old incandescent bulb and fluorescent lighting. In respect to TV applications OLED is not quite there yet. The fanfare in HDR TV tech at CES as reported is a genuine attempt to give us the TV that show very high day brightness that we all see in the world.There is a lot of work yet in this area. The luminance gap to bridge is directed at all TVs sold so far.As reported at CES LG did have a tweaked 85 inch OLED exhibiting high brightness and so we know they are aware.

Nice to hear from an enlighten mind. I just got myself a cheap tv for now. Cost I think its better value for money & its bigger at well.

 

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As a former experienced electrical light fitter,I would say that Oled lighting improves from the 200 year old incandescent bulb and fluorescent lighting. OLED can produce a perfect white light unassisted without the need for quantum dots.LED lighting can be brighter for now anyway.OLED process knowhow development is still evolving and getting the price down is a prority.

The fanfare in HDR TV tech at CES as reported is a genuine attempt to give us the TV that show very high day brightness that we all see in the world.There is a lot of work yet in this area. The luminance gap to bridge is directed at all TVs sold so far.As reported at CES LG did have a tweaked 85 inch OLED exhibiting high brightness and so we know they are aware.

 

[Canary_Jules]

I calibrated another 980 recently. The calibration took time and is fiddly but you can get fantastic results. There are a few controls where adjustments should be avoided/conservatively made as they introduce noise and cause other issues, but overall it was another positive experience and the client was certainly delighted with the results. I have a 930 calibration coming up so will be able to report back on that at a not too distant date.

 

[Deleted member 2457]

I calibrated another 980 recently. The calibration took time and is fiddly but you can get fantastic results. There are a few controls where adjustments should be avoided/conservatively made as they introduce noise and cause other issues, but overall it was another positive experience and the client was certainly delighted with the results. I have a 930 calibration coming up so will be able to report back on that at a not too distant date.

It's a fantastic TV Jules, I have heard the new one the 930 is guilty of noise and judder too but I have seen none of this on mine and it's not even calibrated.

 

[Series1boy]

I calibrated another 980 recently. The calibration took time and is fiddly but you can get fantastic results. There are a few controls where adjustments should be avoided/conservatively made as they introduce noise and cause other issues, but overall it was another positive experience and the client was certainly delighted with the results. I have a 930 calibration coming up so will be able to report back on that at a not too distant date.

It's a fantastic TV Jules, I have heard the new one the 930 is guilty of noise and judder too but I have seen none of this on mine and it's not even calibrated.

you getting yours calibrated Gel?

 

[Deleted member 2457]

I calibrated another 980 recently. The calibration took time and is fiddly but you can get fantastic results. There are a few controls where adjustments should be avoided/conservatively made as they introduce noise and cause other issues, but overall it was another positive experience and the client was certainly delighted with the results. I have a 930 calibration coming up so will be able to report back on that at a not too distant date.

It's a fantastic TV Jules, I have heard the new one the 930 is guilty of noise and judder too but I have seen none of this on mine and it's not even calibrated.

you getting yours calibrated Gel?

Nope, not at the moment.