HDMI Cable

[kitkat]

Can all hdmi cables cope with very fast refresh rates (2,500 Panasonic Plasma) or will I need to upgrade my cable when I buy my new tv ?

 

[hammill]

Can all hdmi cables cope with very fast refresh rates (2,500 Panasonic Plasma) or will I need to upgrade my cable when I buy my new tv ?

That is not a feature of the cable. Any certified cable will be fine

 

[kitkat]

So why does the Audioquest Pearl that I purchased online say on the box "suitable for full HD tv's with refreash rates upto 600hz" ?

 

[daveh75]

So why does the Audioquest Pearl that I purchased online say on the box "suitable for full HD tv's with refreash rates upto 600hz" ?

Bull$hit marketing.

 

[chebby]

So long as it's rated as 'High Speed', any HDMI cable will be fine for full HD 1080p. (And 3D and 4K).

'Refresh Rate' is something that occurs inside your television and doesn't need increased bandwidth from the cable so I don't understand the relevance of AudioQuest's claim.

 

[BIGBERNARDBRESSLAW]

I don't understand the relevance of AudioQuest's claim.

See daveh75s post above.

 

[Frank Harvey]

If Audioquest's claim isn't understood, maybe it would be worth researching before any negative comments? I see a lot of instantly negative comments about cables which are probably stated purely because individuals see cables as pure snake oil. Maybe a little research would be in order. If people are too lazy to do so, I'll find out, if they wish.

For the record, I don't know why this claim is made either, but I am intrigued to find out before commenting (even though I hate high refresh rates which have no place in my system).

 

[chebby]

If Audioquest's claim isn't understood, maybe it would be worth researching before any negative comments? I see a lot of instantly negative comments about cables which are probably stated purely because individuals see cables as pure snake oil. Maybe a little research would be in order. If people are too lazy to do so, I'll find out, if they wish.

For the record, I don't know why this claim is made either, but I am intrigued to find out before commenting (even though I hate high refresh rates which have no place in my system).

While you are at it, find out why AudioQuest's HDMI cable has a directional arrow printed on it

 

[Frank Harvey]

While you are at it, find out why AudioQuest's HDMI cable has a directional arrow printed on it

If that's a serious rather than sarcastic request, I will.

Audioquest are one of the few cable manufacturers I would trust. They generally do things for a reason, like not using inline gadgets that some manufacturers use because of it affecting sound quality/adding distortion.

 

[chebby]

While you are at it, find out why AudioQuest's HDMI cable has a directional arrow printed on it

If that's a serious rather than sarcastic request, I will.

I rarely use a smiley emoticon. What do you think?

 

[Frank Harvey]

I rarely use a smiley emoticon. What do you think?

I wouldn't know, as I don't tend to follow people that closely.

 

[cheeseboy]

While you are at it, find out why AudioQuest's HDMI cable has a directional arrow printed on it

If that's a serious rather than sarcastic request, I will.

Audioquest are one of the few cable manufacturers I would trust. They generally do things for a reason, like not using inline gadgets that some manufacturers use because of it affecting sound quality/adding distortion.

you;d actually trust a marketing dept... wow.

 

[Frank Harvey]

you;d actually trust a marketing dept... wow.

Nope, unlike many, I actually listen to things and make up my own mind.

 

[chebby]

you;d actually trust a marketing dept... wow.

Nope, unlike many, I actually listen to things and make up my own mind.

So your customers can get your unbiased, personal impressions of all these HDMI cables?...

http://www.hifix.co.uk/Video-and-Picture-Leads

.... you'll be able to explain all the benefits of a £22.50 cable and a £799 one (and all points between), because you've tried them all and seen the differences in picture quality and heard the differences in sound quality.

 

[cheeseboy]

you;d actually trust a marketing dept... wow.

Nope, unlike many, I actually listen to things and make up my own mind.

Eh? You're contradicting yourself now as you said you trust audioquest and whatever they say they must have a reason. That's the marketing dept kicking in to life but you don't trust them... I'm confused now.

Personally, I call bs and say it's marketing. Especially where hdmi cables are involved as there are many ways you can show that they'll do the same job. Even the people who's job it is to actually make the HDMI standards (ie the people you have to go to get permission to use the HDMI logo) say there isn't a difference.

 

[Frank Harvey]

Again, people reading into things and coming up with answers they want to see.

When I said I "trust" AudioQuest, I mean that they're not the sort of manufacturer who just makes up pretty looking cables - they do research, and they'll do what is necessary to produce a good quality cable. How they choose to describe cables and their features is up to them - I listen to the end result, and make up my own mind based on how the cable sounds, not based on the jargon used or its looks.

This is one reason why this forum is going downhill. I appreciate that those that don't believe have a right to express their disbelief, but I disagree that it should be rammed down people's throats every time someone mentions a cable - you don't believe cables make a difference, that's fine, but there are those either do believe, or do know. All threads like this do is put off newcomers as they're seeing how they're going to be treated - but that's for WHF to worry about, not me.

 

[Frank Harvey]

you;d actually trust a marketing dept... wow.

Nope, unlike many, I actually listen to things and make up my own mind.

So your customers can get your unbiased, personal impressions of all these HDMI cables?...

http://www.hifix.co.uk/Video-and-Picture-Leads

.... you'll be able to explain all the benefits of a £22.50 cable and a £799 one (and all points between), because you've tried them all and seen the differences in picture quality and heard the differences in sound quality.

If someone wants to ask me what I think, they can, and I'll give them the best answer I can, and one that will suit them, not me. And no, I haven't tried ALL cables out there - I tend to prefer to spend my time watching films and listening to music rather than doing extensive A/B demos. Most of what I have learned has been through extended use age of these cables in different systems over a period of time.

 

[cheeseboy]

Again, people reading into things and coming up with answers they want to see.

not really, I did explain I was confused by your answer.

When I said I "trust" AudioQuest, I mean that they're not the sort of manufacturer who just makes up pretty looking cables - they do research, and they'll do what is necessary to produce a good quality cable. How they choose to describe cables and their features is up to them - I listen to the end result, and make up my own mind based on how the cable sounds, not based on the jargon used or its looks.

fair enough, thank you for explaining.

This is one reason why this forum is going downhill. I appreciate that those that don't believe have a right to express their disbelief, but I disagree that it should be rammed down people's throats every time someone mentions a cable - you don't believe cables make a difference, that's fine, but there are those either do believe, or do know. All threads like this do is put off newcomers as they're seeing how they're going to be treated - but that's for WHF to worry about, not me.

On the contrary, I think it's actually more harmful when in certain instances (hdmi cables for eg) it can be proven that there are no differences, yet people still want to, and do belive that there are differences. It's not about ramming anything down anybodies throat, it's about pointing and saying, hang on, those types of things aren't an issue anymore, here's the proof, and it's time people moved on instead trying to shoehorn analogue based issues in to the digital world. I think it's dangerous for the hifi community as a whole as some of them in some parts are getting shown up as sellers of foo, or just people who refuse to beleive in the proof that is presented to them, which in turn actually turns people off just as much, and in some cases more than what you describe.

There seems to be this wierd thing that people have been using computers, and recording with computers for quite some time that have never come across all of these issues that are solved by expensive usb cables, hdmi cables, cpu voltage etc, yet all of a sudden, the hifi world gets a whiff and these problems magically appear to be solved by spending yet more money.

all imho of course.

 

[Frank Harvey]

On the contrary, I think it's actually more harmful when in certain instances (hdmi cables for eg) it can be proven that there are no differences, yet people still want to, and do belive that there are differences. It's not about ramming anything down anybodies throat, it's about pointing and saying, hang on, those types of things aren't an issue anymore, here's the proof, and it's time people moved on instead trying to shoehorn analogue based issues in to the digital world. I think it's dangerous for the hifi community as a whole as some of them in some parts are getting shown up as sellers of foo, or just people who refuse to beleive in the proof that is presented to them, which in turn actually turns people off just as much, and in some cases more than what you describe.

I have an open mind. I appreciate there will be those that will look at things from a scientific point of view and say that cables can't make a difference. But then there are those that aren't interested in the scientific side, so aren't biased by that side of things. Each to their own, and as mentioned before, no need to pounce on those that hold a different viewpoint to you. Are you a member of any religious forums? Do you post up on there that there cannot be a God? Or would you appreciate their views and leave them alone as long as they're not bothering you?

And no, I'm not religious, but I certainly wouldn't tell others they're wrong. Who knows, they might not be...

 

[cheeseboy]

I have an open mind. I appreciate there will be those that will look at things from a scientific point of view and say that cables can't make a difference. But then there are those that aren't interested in the scientific side, so aren't biased by that side of things. Each to their own, and as mentioned before, no need to pounce on those that hold a different viewpoint to you. Are you a member of any religious forums? Do you post up on there that there cannot be a God? Or would you appreciate their views and leave them alone as long as they're not bothering you?

this isn't religion though, although some people have more faith in hifi than some religions This is a case of certain hifi people changing the laws and rules of how computers and digital things work to suit their point of view. If we all the digital hifi mythos as being true then the internet would pretty much not work, neither would most computers.

As for religion, it's whole other kettle of fish and I really don't think it should be brought in as an example unless it's started involved electronic gadgets as a point of worship?

And no, I'm not religious, but I certainly wouldn't tell others they're wrong. Who knows, they might not be...

I think if anybody actually knew, they'd either be burned at the stake or their brain would explode

Computers are built to a budget, and that's all I'm going to say.

isn't everything? And don't cables have some of the biggest mark up of things sold? Bit of a throwaway comment really that doesn't address anything I said.

 

[chebby]

But then there are those that aren't interested in the scientific side, so aren't biased by that side of things. Each to their own...

Not really.

They still can't wish away the science because scientific discoveries made (and still make) the technology of their hi-fis and televisions and computers possible. Blind ignorance, lack of interest or denial won't un-invent the transistor or the world of quantum mechanics that underpins all electronics.

Lack of interest and lack of knowledge leaves a vacuum. Regrettably, there are any number of companies who will fill and exploit that vacuum with whatever BS claims for their products they can (just) legally get away with!

 

[Frank Harvey]

I'm out, because as has been proven many times, it is futile discussing cables with those that believe point blank that they make no differences whatsoever. If you want any proof or explanations, email the manufacturers, or harass the reps at shows - I don't make them, so I have nothing to prove. I just listen, and if they make a difference, they get recommended. Of course, whether that difference is consistent depends on many variables.

Adios.

 

[chebby]

I'm out, because as has been proven many times, it is futile discussing cables with those that believe point blank that they make no differences whatsoever.

There are differences. There are those that meet and/or exceed the required HDMI standard and some that don't. (Pirated products for instance or a faulty cable.)

 

[sonycentre]

I'm out, because as has been proven many times, it is futile discussing cables with those that believe point blank that they make no differences whatsoever.

There are differences. There are those that meet and/or exceed the required HDMI standard and some that don't. (Pirated products for instance or a faulty cable.)

Im with both chebby and David on this.