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davidf

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I read a lot of threads on this forum, and other forums, and some Facebook groups as well, and I feel that there are many forces out there trying to set the ground rules. Or should I say, the ground rules they want to set.

Our hearing is a very complex instrument, and many seem to underplay its capabilities. If you go back far enough, it's the main sense related to survival - that was honed over millions of years. Some animals survive on it - that's evolution. When people try to put a restriction on what we can hear - when we still can't likely measure what our hearing is capable of - I get suspicious. The greatest spoiler of anything is imposing restrictions. If we don't know how to properly measure human hearing (or aren't capable of doing so), how can we state the restrictions of human hearing?

People will tell you - based on what they've read - what you can and cannot hear. That then restricts what you think you can hear - and then you're doomed to follow that imposed path.

And when someone speaks up about hearing some difference (related to anything), they're pounced upon by those who follow what they've been told they can or cannot hear. There's always cable debates, and while I'm fully aware of placebo effect etc, I know the differences I've heard over the last (almost) 40 years.

And that another thing. Battering older folk with the notion that they're losing their hearing is also imposing mental restrictions. Sure, some people might lose their higher frequency capabilities, but that doesn't mean they cannot hear differences between products - differences aren't restricted to a narrow frequency range. I've lost count of the people I've dealt with who have stated that their hearing isn't what it once was (fair enough), and they seem to feel that's hugely restrictive. To a point, yes, but it doesn't mean you cannot hear differences. Out hearing covers about 20kHz - and let's ignore how harmonics can potentially affect what we hear for now - and even if our hearing restricts that, there's still plenty at play.

So when someone tells you your hearing won't allow you to hear a difference, or that science states there's no measurable difference, don't automatically believe them, or that you're not going to hear a difference. Just because science can't measure a difference between two products, don't necessarily believe there isn't a difference to experience.
 
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I think it's human nature to set some parameters using science as a mechanism for their rationality, it invites and encourages consensus.

The flipside, it turns into a dogma and people not wishing to be subjugated to ridicule follow the herd.

From my own, personal perspective, I struggle with this, beautiful graphs don't necessarily mean beautiful music.
If you love what you hear, surely that's the only qualification you need?
 
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Such a great post! 🤩😁

But what has nature got to do with humans listening to Hi-end music at home from exquisitely human-produced instruments and vocals (especially White Female vocals), it's for us humans to experience Studio recorded Hi-end soundtracks all the time, isn't it? Even parrots and cats dance and sync to music when played in the living room, as I saw on TikTok and other YouTube videos of pet owners.
 
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I think there's a tendency to confuse euphoria with placebo.

When you make love to your girlfriend for the first time or if it is your first time, your senses are overloaded and presto, the magician pulls out euphoria from the rabbit hat.
The next one, not so much as the first.

I think it's the same with music, you upgrade your amp, you hear all the supple differences, suddenly the sound stage is a mile long, vocals are crisper and more defined, bingo, euphoria!

After continuous listening, familiarity sets in and this becomes defacto. Your audio benchmark from hereon.
This is my hypothesis, this is how or why it is confused with placebo.
 
I read a lot of threads on this forum, and other forums, and some Facebook groups as well, and I feel that there are many forces out there trying to set the ground rules. Or should I say, the ground rules they want to set.

Our hearing is a very complex instrument, and many seem to underplay its capabilities. If you go back far enough, it's the main sense related to survival - that was honed over millions of years. Some animals survive on it - that's evolution. When people try to put a restriction on what we can hear - when we still can't likely measure what our hearing is capable of - I get suspicious. The greatest spoiler of anything is imposing restrictions. If we don't know how to properly measure human hearing (or aren't capable of doing so), how can we state the restrictions of human hearing?

People will tell you - based on what they've read - what you can and cannot hear. That then restricts what you think you can hear - and then you're doomed to follow that imposed path.

And when someone speaks up about hearing some difference (related to anything), they're pounced upon by those who follow what they've been told they can or cannot hear. There's always cable debates, and while I'm fully aware of placebo effect etc, I know the differences I've heard over the last (almost) 40 years.

And that another thing. Battering older folk with the notion that they're losing their hearing is also imposing mental restrictions. Sure, some people might lose their higher frequency capabilities, but that doesn't mean they cannot hear differences between products - differences aren't restricted to a narrow frequency range. I've lost count of the people I've dealt with who have stated that their hearing isn't what it once was (fair enough), and they seem to feel that's hugely restrictive. To a point, yes, but it doesn't mean you cannot hear differences. Out hearing covers about 20kHz - and let's ignore how harmonics can potentially affect what we hear for now - and even if our hearing restricts that, there's still plenty at play.

So when someone tells you your hearing won't allow you to hear a difference, or that science states there's no measurable difference, don't automatically believe them, or that you're not going to hear a difference. Just because science can't measure a difference between two products, don't necessarily believe there isn't a difference to experience.
It's all very simple David, if rather boring.
If somebody can blindly identify the differences they describe / feel / imagine, then who could argue with them? - certainly not me.
Why do people dismiss the idea of blind testing, (as they always seem to) - if only to prove that they're not fooling themselves?

People will always be influenced by what they're looking at....and the cost of what they're looking at.
 
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If somebody can blindly identify the differences they describe / feel / imagine, then who could argue with them? - certainly not me.
It does seem something of an own goal by cable manufacturers that none have taken up this challenge - to the best of my knowledge at least. I have heard the reason/excuse (delete as applicable) that it would be too stressful, but most jobs involve some degree of stress. Employ more psychologically robust testers if that's the case.
 
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It does seem something of an own goal by cable manufacturers that none have taken up this challenge - to the best of my knowledge at least. I have heard the reason/excuse (delete as applicable) that it would be too stressful, but most jobs involve some degree of stress. Employ more psychologically robust testers if that's the case.
It'll be nice if they had an independent speaker/interconnects cable advisory body, an entity with charitable status.

They'll have a impartial grading system, as @Gray was alluding to, a panel of listeners from which various cables are benchmarked against each other and their findings published online.
Listeners with trained ears would be invited to listen open and blind, make their conclusions without prejudice.

If they all come to the same conclusion, there's absolutely no difference, then every body will be buying Amazing Basics. I understand the cable industry reluctance.
It is naive to think this will ever happen.

I hear differences in tonality between multi thin strands and solid core, but it is not night and day. Mixture of both, possibly the best compromise.

Change your amp, change your speakers or placing your system in a treated room will have an obvious affect on the sound quality.
 

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