Excellent sound quality in a system is enough for most people with neighbours

[matthewpianist]

Rega and Project, where? Technics had to decrease a lot the building quality to produce new models,

I own 60´s, 70´s, 80´s , 90´s and two recent turntable models , all from known brands gueess which work today with perfection while others are in need of repairs no matter the brand.

The two recent ones and the 60´s and 70´s ones, which are the most advanced in technology , sound quality and no need for pre-amplifier just plugged to the phono input on different types of amplification systems, 60´s and 70´s, and yes Technics even from 1972 and still working, with only mandatory maintenance

There's an excellent Rega in my signature for a start, and the Project Debut Evo 2 is a perfectly good turntable for £600. I've owned plenty of older turntables (Pioneer, Sansui, Thorens, Technics), and I wouldn't swap my P3 for any of them.

 

[Rui]

There's an excellent Rega in my signature for a start, and the Project Debut Evo 2 is a perfectly good turntable for £600. I've owned plenty of older turntables (Pioneer, Sansui, Thorens, Technics), and I wouldn't swap my P3 for any of them.

i know well the P3 and it´s older brothers and none is good,

the last i never owned it but some of my friends bought it, the older ones none works,

and i think if you had all those turntables, can you refer one that is not better than any P3 , that will not work without new parts for 10 to 50 years or more

if they were good, in the 80´s a lot of badly built turntables were released into the market like my SL-M1 from Technics and a Pioneer PL-707 and Thorens TD2001 from the 90´s which were really good but at the end of some years had to put to work any Technics or Pioneer that i had from the 70´s,

even early 70´s and have others like Thorens , Dual, Kenwood, Revox etc. all bought by my father, the 70´s ones, that are mine ,now.

I do have a kind of standart ,i hear records because i have them , and even having a considered very good cd player only some have good sound and i compare them by noticing that the cd sounds narrow ,

and the louder is the volume the worst the sound stays and records if with a aceptable turntable sounds wider and real like real instruments being played, not a perverted version of the work done in studio even in digital studios, the record made from it sounds amazing, the cd is garbage

does your P3 sounds that good and which cartridge are you using?

 

[Rui]

I own a Sansui P1000

I grew up with Thorens, but I honestly have to say that with record players I have the idea that soundwise most of them don't make a dent of difference and if there is a nuance difference, my collection is too small and the frequency of playing one is not that high.

Apart from that opinion... it is a decent and good looking model, it is direct drive and would compliment optically with our interior, loudspeakers and amplifier as a set. So I just found an excuse.

* added to wishlist ; )

there are buge diferencies from turntable to turntable, for some reason some are really good and others just aceptable, the cartridge matters ,of course.
Lot´s of diferent ways of assembling a turntable makes a lot of diference while playing a record, the cartridge as i said matters,

a not good turntable without minimum qualitty the cartridge will never sound 100% good, even the headshell is important, also the accuracy for a correct record playing in terms of set up, some don´t last much with a well done set up while others will be correctly working forever with the set up made for it to sound perfect,

i have an example, a Pioneer from 74 if memory doesn´t fail me and always had the original cartridge a PC-30 with PN-30 stylus i never needed to make any correction as it always after putting a new belt and a new stylus all stays perfect reading the record grooves,

others can´t keep the anti-skating value accurate for many years ,sometimes one putting the weight and anti-skating in the same value doesn´t play accurate not only the arm itself but records aren´t all equal it needs sometimes a litle extra touch to sound correct.

Also when with 40 years of use one needs to correct it by hear, or buy a new arm and install it with perfect geometry, allthough the old works if capable of noticing changes in sound towards the end of the record,

another thing i noticed is a rega P3 owner complaining on youtube that they shouldn´t make records with so much time in one side but two records .so a doble lp would be 4xlp

well i saw the albums the refered and none causes problems in hearing them when correctly set up, so i guess specialists on youtube don´t know more than what i learned when 11 years old, that´s when i daily started to hear records from 2 to 4.30 p.m. each day after i would meet my friends and only returned home when 19.30 or 7.30 p.m.,

why from 2 to 4.30 p.m. was when my father was working and he wouldn´t let me touch his system but i would, knowing he couldn´t leave his work before 4.30 p.m., only sometimes he got out at 6.30p.m.when the money was counted by hand,

at the end of the day couldn´t be less money than what was registred to have entered and to avoid a single person having to pay the daily diference all would review the income and outcome money, with computers that stopped being a problem, the IBM´s , i had studied Informatic engeniering either than music, cars, girls and all that i bad to our health , computers were a interest i had

 

[matthewpianist]

i know well the P3 and it´s older brothers and none is good,

the last i never owned it but some of my friends bought it, the older ones none works,

and i think if you had all those turntables, can you refer one that is not better than any P3 , that will not work without new parts for 10 to 50 years or more

if they were good, in the 80´s a lot of badly built turntables were released into the market like my SL-M1 from Technics and a Pioneer PL-707 and Thorens TD2001 from the 90´s which were really good but at the end of some years had to put to work any Technics or Pioneer that i had from the 70´s,

even early 70´s and have others like Thorens , Dual, Kenwood, Revox etc. all bought by my father, the 70´s ones, that are mine ,now.

I do have a kind of standart ,i hear records because i have them , and even having a considered very good cd player only some have good sound and i compare them by noticing that the cd sounds narrow ,

and the louder is the volume the worst the sound stays and records if with a aceptable turntable sounds wider and real like real instruments being played, not a perverted version of the work done in studio even in digital studios, the record made from it sounds amazing, the cd is garbage

does your P3 sounds that good and which cartridge are you using?

My older turntables have included two Thorens TD150 MkII AB (both rebuilt), Pioneer PL12D (rebuilt), Lenco GL-75 (rebuilt) amongst others... I've also owned a Michell TecnoDec with TecnoArm and Sumiko Evo III Blue Point Special, again amongst others. I've had my own turntable since I was 8, which is now nearly 40 years ago.

My current cartridge is a Ortofon 2mr Red. It's the version of the 2m cartridge that has a lower profile body made for arms without VTA adjustment, including Regas. I know you're going to slag the cartridge off, but I've set it up well and it sounds very nice and suits the arm. I have no issues with IGD, and tracking across an LP is excellent. Whilst I would never claim my P3 to be the ultimate in engineering (or even the very best Rega can do with a larger budget), it offers excellent performance for the asking price, and it engages me with the music, which is what really matters.

As for getting into a debate about formats, that in itself is garbage. Vinyl offers no superiority, and digital done correctly is more accurate, but both can be equally enjoyable. Again, it's the enjoyment and musical engagement that counts the most, and I get that from the Rega, my Rotel CD player, the Mission CDT (using the DAC in my amplifier), and the Mission streamer (using its own DAC).