Debunging, banana plugs etc

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Simply put, Is this worth doing ?

I'm assuming 4mm plugs are the same thing as banana plugs just a different name, and that these are what you find at the end of 'terminated' speaker cable ?

If so its quite a bit more expensive, £37 for 7 meters of chord carnival cable or 2m terminated pair for £44.50...

any views on this ?
 

aliEnRIK

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Id certainly terminate them as its a much cleaner connection to the amp. But id use SPADES personally
 

Messiah

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Depends what length you need. Do you need 7 meters or will 2 meters do??

If I only needed 2 meters I would have it terminated. Just makes it all neater and easier to manage. Personally I don't notice a difference in the sound if terminated or not.
 
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aliEnRIK:Id certainly terminate them as its a much cleaner connection to the amp. But id use SPADES personally

excuse my ignorance but what are SPADES ?
 
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Ok got some plugs...any links on how to connect these things up ? also are they for connecting to the speakers too ?

Hmmm just watched this helpful video, my plugs differ slightly from the dudes in the video and they dont fit my Q acoustics 1010i's

what to do ?
 

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Ideally you should strip off any wire that is already exposed and has oxidised. Then make sure you have enough of the plastic covering stripped off each cable to be able to fit the plugs. How much will depend a little on the type of plug you bought. Basically enough to make a good contact but not so much that bare copper from one cable will touch that of another. Short circuits like that can be very expensive. This will leave you with shiny new copper for the contact points with the plugs. You might want to solder the bare ends if you have an iron. Twist the bare cable a little before connecting the plug. I tend to use a tissue to prevent touching the bare cable ends as sweat and grease can oxidise the contact over time.

Use one pair of plugs for each end of each cable.

I'll assume your plugs are marked in red and black. By convention use red for +ve and black for -ve sockets on the amp and speakers.

On the cable look for markings to indicate positive and negative, if not you can usually use the text printed on them for identification. Just make sure you connect the same colour at one end as you do at the other.

Red at one end of the strand, red at the other end and black at one end of the strand, black at the other end. Now you're ready to connect them to your kit.

Some cable manufacturers claim that cables can be directional. ie they're made so that they'll sound better if a particular end of the cable is connected to the speaker. If this is the case you will usually find arrow markings on the cable which are supposed to point to the speaker end. There is much debate over the validity of claims for directionality existing or it being a hifi myth and snake oil.

If your cable claims to directional you may as well point the cables in the right direction just in case, then experiment at your leisure later.
If you bought 4 just put your plugs on one end of each cable.

Start off by wiring your speakers up, so that each speaker is connected at one end with a loose wire at the other. At this point I stop and do a little test. Find a 1.5V battery and remove the grilles from your speakers. Hold the positive end of the loose cable to the positive battery terminal and touch the negative end of the cable to the negative battery terminal, whilst watching your bass cone. When contact is made you should hear a click and the cone will either push out or pull in. Note which way it moves. When you relase the contact with the battery your cone will relax into it's rest position. Do this test on both speakers.
If you've got it right both speakers will move in the same direction when you do the test. If they don't swap the plugs at one end of a cable. Repeat test until you have wired +ve to +ve and -ve to -ve. You should get it right first time though.

Now for the anp end. Just make sure you're putting red plugs into red sockets and black into black. also make sure you wire the left speaker to the left amp output and vice versa. Play a CD. Both channels should be working. You can check this with the balance control if you have one. If not disconnect the left phono from your CD player or other source whilst the amp is switched off. Play a CD with the amp on. Hopefully you'll only hear music from the right speaker. If the left is working instead either your CD is connected left to right and right to left or your speakers are. Fix whichever you got wrong.

Make a cup of tea and listen to some music.
 

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When you say your plugs don't look like those in the video do you mean just the cable attachment looks different, but the banana insert the same? I hate those in the video, fiddly things come adrift from the screw with the slightest force. Also, they don't take chunky cables.

The Bluestream.co.uk site says the 1010's use banana plugs.

If banana plugs are what you bought I'm not sure why they won't fit. Do you have red and black screws over threaded posts at the back of the speaker. Sometines the banana inserts are covered by a thin bit of plastic on the plastic screw part.

Maybe what you need to do is to unscrew the posts as far as you can without use of crazy force. Often the central part of that red or black plastic covering will just fall off if you do that. Did on my Yanaha AV amp and my subs. Then you can plug in the bananas. If not you may need to very gently persuade it with a swiss army knife.
 
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Thanks for replies guys..

Heres the banana plugs I got...I dont understand what the hole in the middle is for...the smaller hole is for the tiny grub screw which I assume is where the copper goes but theres only about 2mm contact for the screw to purchase the wire with...so I might have the wrong idea there on how to wire it..

Also, althougth the plugs all looks identical in size, only some would fit into the amp/speakers while others simply refused to go in...

I actually managed to wire everything in manually last night, but I still want to employ some plugs at the amp end at least.
 

John Duncan

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They do look like quite fat banana plugs, but they should still go in the amp - you're positive you've got all the bungs out, presumably?

The holes in the middle are so that you can plug other banana plugs into them - for example if you have a biwired cable and want to plug them into a single-wired speaker.
 
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Yep, the bungs come out very easily (with a small screwdriver), no big deal at all...the plugs i'll just have to try which ones fit and which ones dont...they dont even fit into their own bi-wire holes..

Thats what I get for buying cheap plugs I guess
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Maybe a little compression with a pair of pliers may persuade them. As John Duncan said they are very wide.

I prefer this type
They're probably not as good as properly terminated ones but as I change room around and move often I like the flexibility of them.
 

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