Cyrus 80 Full Width

[TRIPLE A]

Hmm yes. It’s sad. They’ve been left behind and are now having to throw their lot in with the more traditional mob. Slightly drunk post but with a modicum of clarity!

 

[nopiano]

£2,500 for an external supply was excessive (a third of that price is excessive).

You can be sure the full width products will sound good - potential customers know they will cost a lot.
But what they won't want to be told any more, is that they can be improved by adding a 'better', external supply.

That didn’t stop Naim! I’m sure you can add PS to their wider boxes.

Conversely Linn seemed to be unsure what size to be, and many of their items are around 3/4 or 7/8 width like my Akurate. It looks great but doesn’t match anything else, which might be the point!

 

[Gray]

I bought the original Cyrus One in 1985
It served me well for >30 years and still powers a secondary or tertiary system,

That's what I like to hear 👍
Hard to imagine many current amps lasting so long.
(And if they did, would we still be around - with adequate hearing?🤔)

 

[ToppingSMSL]

That's what I like to hear 👍
Hard to imagine many current amps lasting so long.
(And if they did, would we still be around - with adequate hearing?🤔)

Who know of one early Cyrus still working. We have no idea what percentage are still in operation.

 

[Gray]

Who know of one early Cyrus still working. We have no idea what percentage are still in operation.

Quite a few I'd say.
There are plenty of original NAD 3020s still going, for example.
Some people never feel the need for change - and good luck to them.

 

[ToppingSMSL]

Quite a few I'd say.
There are plenty of original NAD 3020s still going, for example.
Some people never feel the need for change - and good luck to them.

There were absolutely loads of 3020s sold.

 

[RJW232]

Yeah, Cyrus has finally wakened up to the fact that customers think of their external power supplies as a scam

So they've entered the real world. But they will charge an arm and a leg for that acknowledgement. How sweet.

They do look gorgeous though.

And technically external PSU's are also not the best option. You always need extra cables and connectors which means extra losses.

 

[manicm]

And technically external PSU's are also not the best option. You always need extra cables and connectors which means extra losses.

Cyrus do provide their own cabling in the box, to be fair.

 

[RJW232]

Quite a few I'd say.
There are plenty of original NAD 3020s still going, for example.
Some people never feel the need for change - and good luck to them.

And don't forget that these amps don't use special components. All standard transistors (or at least equivalents are available), resistors, capacitors, etc. No microcontrollers, proprietary displays, software, etc. You don't even need a BSc in Electronics to repair these amps. Basic knowlegde of analog electronics is sufficient. So technically it can last a lifetime.

 

[TimMel]

I'm excited with the new full-width development, and everything I've seen so far suggests these new 80 units will sit alongside the 40 half-width boxes - I'm very happy with the small form factor (fewer family arguments, for sure, with my XR boxes on a dedicated HiFi Racks oak rack) but the full-width boxes will give Cyrus double the room for interesting innovation. Like @Gray I hope that means incorporated PSUs.

Future commitment to the half-width seems clear with the new 40 PPA phono stage (still no XLR balanced in?), and I sure as hell hope this means the Classic phono stage falls in price as a consequence! Since owning the 8vs2 (with PSX-R) and using for over a decade, and now i9-XR, I've never had an over-heating issue: obviously not playing Led Zeppelin 2 loud enough ...

 

[Al ears]

I'm excited with the new full-width development, and everything I've seen so far suggests these new 80 units will sit alongside the 40 half-width boxes - I'm very happy with the small form factor (fewer family arguments, for sure, with my XR boxes on a dedicated HiFi Racks oak rack) but the full-width boxes will give Cyrus double the room for interesting innovation. Like @Gray I hope that means incorporated PSUs.

Future commitment to the half-width seems clear with the new 40 PPA phono stage (still no XLR balanced in?), and I sure as hell hope this means the Classic phono stage falls in price as a consequence! Since owning the 8vs2 (with PSX-R) and using for over a decade, and now i9-XR, I've never had an over-heating issue: obviously not playing Led Zeppelin 2 loud enough ...

Not many phono stages have balanced XLR inputs as not really required since most decks don't come with XLR terminated cables.....

 

[TimMel]

Not many phono stages have balanced XLR inputs as not really required since most decks don't come with XLR terminated cables.....

True, but I've just bought a new Pro-Ject Xtension 9 turntable with XLR out - that's a company that has placed a big bet on balanced XLR, and you get a nice mini-XLR cable with it: the freebie is mini-XLR to 2 x phono RCA but the upgrade Pro-Ject Connect It Phono 5P DS to XLR can be had for less than £200. Before I saw the impending release of the 40 PPA, I went for a Pro-Ject Phono Box RS which does have XLR in and out.

 

[Al ears]

True, but I've just bought a new Pro-Ject Xtension 9 turntable with XLR out - that's a company that has placed a big bet on balanced XLR, and you get a nice mini-XLR cable with it: the freebie is mini-XLR to 2 x phono RCA but the upgrade Pro-Ject Connect It Phono 5P DS to XLR can be had for less than £200. Before I saw the impending release of the 40 PPA, I went for a Pro-Ject Phono Box RS which does have XLR in and out.

Those Projects were designed to work solely with certain project phono preamps and moving coil cartridges.
So just buy a balanced Project phono preamp and your sorted
Whoops! Just read your post again.......
However, I don't see many other manufacturers doing it in the near future.

 

[TimMel]

I wonder if full-width Cyrus integrated amps will get built-in MC as well as MM phono stages? i9-XR only has MM. They would also have plenty of room for an array of I/O options and if Pro-Ject are as big a player in turntables as they appear to be, they may well swing the whole market - Cyrus included - towards balanced connections. I guess we have to watch this space …

 

[Gray]

I hope that means incorporated PSUs.

According to the WHF story, Cyrus have been
'able to incorporate the external power supply unit (the 40 PSU) in the 80 Series products, bringing the performance benefits with it'.

(We should think so too!)

 

[Gray]

....but the upgrade Pro-Ject Connect It Phono 5P DS to XLR can be had for less than £200.

Less than £200 for a cable? That's good of them 🤨
As you might know Tim, mini XLR connectors are readily available.
What is the '5P DS' of which you speak?
A proprietary 5 pin din socket of theirs?

(I only ask because it's easy enough to make your own, high quality, cables - and hell would have to freeze over before I spent £200 on any ready-made one)

 

[TimMel]

Thanks Gray, I suspect the 5P refers to the 5-pin female mini-XLR connector at the turntable end. Here it is from the manufacturer's English-language website (option 5):

Connect it DS – Pro-Ject Audio Systems

Flexible high purity OFC copper conductor with silver plated connectors The „Connect it DS“ signal cables use a high purity OFC copper conductor. Its low capaci

www.project-audio.com

It may be easy for you to construct cables yourself, but I'm afraid I'm a cack-handed amateur ex-academic and teacher with pen-pushing hands who wouldn't dare risk the destruction of his expensive hi-fi system with my self-made abominations of connectors. But if you made me one I could always give you a disquisition on the role of London's domestic servants in the time of Samuel Pepys, or - if you're interested in passing your A-level Economics next year - I'm sure we could come to a mutually-acceptable arrangement. Let me know!

 

[ToppingSMSL]

And technically external PSU's are also not the best option. You always need extra cables and connectors which means extra losses.

What kind of losses? 😀

 

[Gray]

What kind of losses? 😀

Financial.