Critical systems

[davedotco]

But that comment is awaiting evaluation.

We need to know the cost of your system before we can apply the correct weighting, otherwise we have no baseline on which to evaluate your comment.

Then you haven't being paying attention over the years. There are system threads with photos and 3 long threads discussing my main components. You are just getting Too Old for this Schiit....as I think, am I.

Of course I know what your system is, just not what you paid for it, which in this thread is of critical importance.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

is there a issue with the unbranded XLR I’ve got as it sounds all right to me I thought theses cables are made out of mic cable anyway

I am not trying to tell you what you should do, or that what you have isn't fine. I'm only telling you my preference. IMO. You can only come to a conclusion, by trying stuff.

One way to do this, is borrow cables at different price levels eg. Very expensive; medium expensive; budget. Insert them in your system and then evaluate the benefit (if any) that you hear.

My standard advice is, never spend more on cables, than would bring a bigger improvement, by spending that money elsewhere in the system...eg. Spending 1k on cables makes no sense, if that money could get you (say) a Linn DS.

If you "believe" you are getting a benefit, that appears to give VFM...then that is worth considering.

that’s the last thing I want to do is spend silly money on cables I would be happy spending around £150 to be honest and if I can buy secondhand the better as I would probably buy cheaper still .

 

[Blacksabbath25]

But that comment is awaiting evaluation.

We need to know the cost of your system before we can apply the correct weighting, otherwise we have no baseline on which to evaluate your comment.

Then you haven't being paying attention over the years. There are system threads with photos and 3 long threads discussing my main components. You are just getting Too Old for this Schiit....as I think, am I.

Of course I know what your system is, just not what you paid for it, which in this thread is of critical importance.

i posted what everything cost me in my sum up

 

[CnoEvil]

that’s the last thing I want to do is spend silly money on cables I would be happy spending around £150 to be honest and if I can buy secondhand the better as I would probably buy cheaper still .

It's not about spending silly money. It's about satisfying your curiosity, gaining personal experience, evaluating it and coming to your own conclusion, as you would (and did) with a component.

If your new Yamaha sounded no better than your old one, you'd probably have sent it back....and if people queued up to tell you that the improvement you are hearing is all down to bias (due to the cost), then you'd get a bit exasperated....it's hard enough to take when you're told it's mediocre (even if that is just someone's opinion).

 

[CnoEvil]

Of course I know what your system is, just not what you paid for it, which in this thread is of critical importance.

I paid...what I could afford at the time. *smile*

 

[Blacksabbath25]

that’s the last thing I want to do is spend silly money on cables I would be happy spending around £150 to be honest and if I can buy secondhand the better as I would probably buy cheaper still .

It's not about spending silly money. It's about satisfying your curiosity, gaining personal experience, evaluating it and coming to your own conclusion, as you would (and did) with a component.

If your new Yamaha sounded no better than your old one, you'd probably have sent it back....and if people queued up to tell you that the improvement you are hearing is all down to bias (due to the cost), then you'd get a bit exasperated....it's hard enough to take when you're told it's mediocre (even if that is just someone's opinion).

Yes that was the risk i took as that did cross my mind before buying the Yamaha A-S3000 and if it did sound the same it would of went back as it would of been very silly to spend £4000 for no reason as that would of been bonkers .

 

[davedotco]

Of course I know what your system is, just not what you paid for it, which in this thread is of critical importance.

I paid...what I could afford at the time. *smile*

That is far too clever an answer for thread such as this, but please, stop trying to turn this into a semi-sensible cable thread.

 

[CnoEvil]

Yes that was the risk i took as that did cross my mind before buying the Yamaha A-S3000 and if it did sound the same it would of went back as it would of been very silly to spend £4000 for no reason as that would of been bonkers .

...and that is exactly my view on cables.

If you were told (and so believed), that all competently designed amps sounded the same, then you would never have bothered trying for yourself. My advice, would then have been to demo a variety at different price points. If you trust yourself to pick out the difference between amps, then you should trust yourself to hear any difference in cables.

The fact that your bias is unconscious, didn't stop you from getting an amp, that you felt was worth it, even at twice the cost of what you had.

 

[newlash09]

as anyone else here..then my stupid and ignorant opinions should still be given double the weightage, above the other gentleman's sane opinion, because I buy my kit at double the price in UK

 

[jimmy1]

I think the whole thread was tongue in cheek to be fair

 

[newlash09]

I think the whole thread was tongue in cheek to be fair

I'd die laughing if this was for real

 

[jimmy1]

Oh ok was just checking, sometimes its hard to tell tho *biggrin*

 

[Blacksabbath25]

I can call you BS, if thats ok with you?

This is much more like at as it helps immensly in assessing your credibility as a poster. I think a spend of around £9k on your 2 channel setup will definitely enable you to hear the differences between speaker and other analogue cables though I think that the overall resolution of your setup might be marginal whan it comes to digital interconnects.

I am particularly concerned that your use of unbranded XLR connectors will diminish the resolution a little, something you should look at. In any case, I think you have a bit further to go (about £6k in my estimation) before you will be able to hear the 'night and day' differences between different mains extension blocks and mains leads.

The XLR cables I have where when I brought the abrahamsen 2up and Colin at IQ speakers buys them in they are basically made out Mic cable which are sliver based but well constructed I did try a audioquest XLR cable that cost around £275 but didn’t get on well with the XLR as it made the sound so flat and odd sounding but that was with a different setup when I tried them I think it was with the abrahamsen 2up and Marantz cd8005 .

and that £6000 short fall I would spend that on some Dali epicon 6s *smile*

Further marked down for the use of microphone cable, designed for low amplitude signals of a few millivolts, not the 4 volts of output available from a typical CD players balanced output, serious miss match.

Is this correct information or a windup ?

about what you said about the low amplitude signals of a few millivolts , not 4 volts of output

 

[davedotco]

I can call you BS, if thats ok with you?

This is much more like at as it helps immensly in assessing your credibility as a poster. I think a spend of around £9k on your 2 channel setup will definitely enable you to hear the differences between speaker and other analogue cables though I think that the overall resolution of your setup might be marginal whan it comes to digital interconnects.

I am particularly concerned that your use of unbranded XLR connectors will diminish the resolution a little, something you should look at. In any case, I think you have a bit further to go (about £6k in my estimation) before you will be able to hear the 'night and day' differences between different mains extension blocks and mains leads.

The XLR cables I have where when I brought the abrahamsen 2up and Colin at IQ speakers buys them in they are basically made out Mic cable which are sliver based but well constructed I did try a audioquest XLR cable that cost around £275 but didn’t get on well with the XLR as it made the sound so flat and odd sounding but that was with a different setup when I tried them I think it was with the abrahamsen 2up and Marantz cd8005 .

and that £6000 short fall I would spend that on some Dali epicon 6s *smile*

Further marked down for the use of microphone cable, designed for low amplitude signals of a few millivolts, not the 4 volts of output available from a typical CD players balanced output, serious miss match.

Is this correct information or a windup ?

about what you said about the low amplitude signals of a few millivolts , not 4 volts of output

I thought I gave everyone enough clues!

Up and running by the beginning of next month (Aptil 1st) was the big one, referring to you as 'BS' another.

I am a great believer in the theory that ******** baffles brains and I have been loading it on with a JCB.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

I can call you BS, if thats ok with you?

This is much more like at as it helps immensly in assessing your credibility as a poster. I think a spend of around £9k on your 2 channel setup will definitely enable you to hear the differences between speaker and other analogue cables though I think that the overall resolution of your setup might be marginal whan it comes to digital interconnects.

I am particularly concerned that your use of unbranded XLR connectors will diminish the resolution a little, something you should look at. In any case, I think you have a bit further to go (about £6k in my estimation) before you will be able to hear the 'night and day' differences between different mains extension blocks and mains leads.

The XLR cables I have where when I brought the abrahamsen 2up and Colin at IQ speakers buys them in they are basically made out Mic cable which are sliver based but well constructed I did try a audioquest XLR cable that cost around £275 but didn’t get on well with the XLR as it made the sound so flat and odd sounding but that was with a different setup when I tried them I think it was with the abrahamsen 2up and Marantz cd8005 .

and that £6000 short fall I would spend that on some Dali epicon 6s *smile*

Further marked down for the use of microphone cable, designed for low amplitude signals of a few millivolts, not the 4 volts of output available from a typical CD players balanced output, serious miss match.

Is this correct information or a windup ?

about what you said about the low amplitude signals of a few millivolts , not 4 volts of output

I thought I gave everyone enough clues!

Up and running by the beginning of next month (Aptil 1st) was the big one, referring to you as 'BS' another.

I am a great believer in the theory that ******** baffles brains and I have been loading it on with a JCB.

so used to talking serious all the time it didn’t cross my mind you was joking I thought you where being serious and was thinking about buying a better XLR cables which would of been a costly joke because I took it seriously

 

[davedotco]

I can call you BS, if thats ok with you?

This is much more like at as it helps immensly in assessing your credibility as a poster. I think a spend of around £9k on your 2 channel setup will definitely enable you to hear the differences between speaker and other analogue cables though I think that the overall resolution of your setup might be marginal whan it comes to digital interconnects.

I am particularly concerned that your use of unbranded XLR connectors will diminish the resolution a little, something you should look at. In any case, I think you have a bit further to go (about £6k in my estimation) before you will be able to hear the 'night and day' differences between different mains extension blocks and mains leads.

The XLR cables I have where when I brought the abrahamsen 2up and Colin at IQ speakers buys them in they are basically made out Mic cable which are sliver based but well constructed I did try a audioquest XLR cable that cost around £275 but didn’t get on well with the XLR as it made the sound so flat and odd sounding but that was with a different setup when I tried them I think it was with the abrahamsen 2up and Marantz cd8005 .

and that £6000 short fall I would spend that on some Dali epicon 6s *smile*

Further marked down for the use of microphone cable, designed for low amplitude signals of a few millivolts, not the 4 volts of output available from a typical CD players balanced output, serious miss match.

Is this correct information or a windup ?

about what you said about the low amplitude signals of a few millivolts , not 4 volts of output

I thought I gave everyone enough clues!

Up and running by the beginning of next month (Aptil 1st) was the big one, referring to you as 'BS' another.

I am a great believer in the theory that ******** baffles brains and I have been loading it on with a JCB.

so used to talking serious all the time it didn’t cross my mind you was joking I thought you where being serious and was thinking about buying a better XLR cables which would of been a costly joke because I took it seriously

On a cable because someone says something on a hi-fi forum..

Now you are spoofing me!

Let me let you in to a big secret. There are differences between cables, differences involving design, construction and quality of the components used.

In some extreme cases these differences can have an audible effect, but between well constucted cables of a similar type, not so much.

 

[jimmy1]

I knew the overall thread was a joke but didnt know you were joking about those specs on cables haha this sh** is confusing sometimes

 

[Blacksabbath25]

I knew the overall thread was a joke but didnt know you were joking about those specs on cables haha this sh** is confusing sometimes

yep join the club I’ve been well had today

 

[Craig M.]

so used to talking serious all the time it didn’t cross my mind you was joking I thought you where being serious and was thinking about buying a better XLR cables which would of been a costly joke because I took it seriously

Jesus wept! Your cables are fine, there really is no benefit to be had from changing them. Unicorns don’t exist!

 

[insider9]

 

so used to talking serious all the time it didn’t cross my mind you was joking I thought you where being serious and was thinking about buying a better XLR cables which would of been a costly joke because I took it seriously 

Jesus wept!  Your cables are fine, there really is no benefit to be had from changing them.  Unicorns don’t exist!

Come on let's be serious for a minute. I may not care for a cable debate but don't start me on Unicorns...

They do exist and I wrote a song about them 20 years ago so they must be real.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

so used to talking serious all the time it didn’t cross my mind you was joking I thought you where being serious and was thinking about buying a better XLR cables which would of been a costly joke because I took it seriously

Jesus wept! Your cables are fine, there really is no benefit to be had from changing them. Unicorns don’t exist!

well I was happy with my current XLR until Dave tricked me thinking my current XLR was not up to scratch which i got sucked into that one good and proper

 

[Craig M.]

Come on let's be serious for a minute. I may not care for a cable debate but don't start me on Unicorns...

They do exist and I wrote a song about them 20 years ago so they must be real.

Them mushrooms you found? Don’t eat any more of them!

 

[Craig M.]

well I was happy with my current XLR until Dave tricked me thinking my current XLR was not up to scratch which i got sucked into that one good and proper

Yeah, that’s what the foo sellers rely on.

 

[davedotco]

so used to talking serious all the time it didn’t cross my mind you was joking I thought you where being serious and was thinking about buying a better XLR cables which would of been a costly joke because I took it seriously

Jesus wept! Your cables are fine, there really is no benefit to be had from changing them. Unicorns don’t exist!

well I was happy with my current XLR until Dave tricked me thinking my current XLR was not up to scratch which i got sucked into that one good and proper

I thought evertone was in on the joke by that stage.

The post I made above about cables is pretty much my view, there are differences but nothing magic.

The differences will be observable and/or measurable and mostly revolve around types of connection and construction.

For example, I generally prefer phono leads to have separate send and return and a screen connected at one end only, similarly I do not usually connect the XLR shells to ground, a bit of a hangover from time spent in the studio, but it generally helps prevent hum when chassis and signal earths collide.

There are other factors too, high resistance cables like those involving carbon tend to sound a bit dull and speaker cables that are too thin can bloat the bass but none of this is magic, the effects are all well known and often quantifiable.

 

[CnoEvil]

Come on let's be serious for a minute. I may not care for a cable debate but don't start me on Unicorns...

They do exist and I wrote a song about them 20 years ago so they must be real.

Them mushrooms you found? Don’t eat any more of them!

Nothing wrong with some infected Mushroom. *music2*