Hi, I'm looking to buy the Copper-line Alpha™ Power Cable for my AV receiver and 4-way mains outlet. I'm using an Onkyo 807 which was bought from HK and it came with a 2-pin plug power cable, I see the Copper-line Alpha™ Power Cable can be bought with fuse or without, should I choose the power cable with UK plug and no fuse ( I need to change the wall outlet as well ) ? Or if I get the power cable with 10/13A fuse, does the fuse affect the performance of the receiver at all ?
Copper-line Alpha™ Power Cable with Fuse or not?
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An over priced rip of mains cable will not make any difference to the sound from your AV receiver. No sientific evidence has been produced backing up any of claims from any of the suppliers that these magic cables somehow improve the performance of hifi equipment. Provided the mains cable is thick enough to carry the current it will do the Job. Stick with the mains cable supplied with the unit and save yourself some money.
Or if you realy wanted you could use a cable with thicker gauge copper but it wont make any difference.
Cheers
Or if you realy wanted you could use a cable with thicker gauge copper but it wont make any difference.
Cheers
heathpw:
An over priced rip of mains cable will not make any difference to the sound from your AV receiver. No sientific evidence has been produced backing up any of claims from any of the suppliers that these magic cables somehow improve the performance of hifi equipment. Provided the mains cable is thick enough to carry the current it will do the Job. Stick with the mains cable supplied with the unit and save yourself some money.
Or if you realy wanted you could use a cable with thicker gauge copper but it wont make any difference.
Cheers
Nothing like a subjective view!!!! Wonder if heathpw has actually ever tried the upgrade for him/herself?
As Andrew says, fused, but don't forget to check the original mains fuse for the correct value needs.....
An over priced rip of mains cable will not make any difference to the sound from your AV receiver. No sientific evidence has been produced backing up any of claims from any of the suppliers that these magic cables somehow improve the performance of hifi equipment. Provided the mains cable is thick enough to carry the current it will do the Job. Stick with the mains cable supplied with the unit and save yourself some money.
Or if you realy wanted you could use a cable with thicker gauge copper but it wont make any difference.
Cheers
Nothing like a subjective view!!!! Wonder if heathpw has actually ever tried the upgrade for him/herself?
As Andrew says, fused, but don't forget to check the original mains fuse for the correct value needs.....
Pistol Pete1:
Nothing like a subjective view!!!! Wonder if heathpw has actually ever tried the upgrade for him/herself?
Clearly not. Or (as usual) a true sceptic usually has truly rubbish cables and power supply (Sometimes very cheap components too) all round and so wouldnt ever hear a difference anyways as the rest of the cabling/electronics lets it down
Nothing like a subjective view!!!! Wonder if heathpw has actually ever tried the upgrade for him/herself?
Clearly not. Or (as usual) a true sceptic usually has truly rubbish cables and power supply (Sometimes very cheap components too) all round and so wouldnt ever hear a difference anyways as the rest of the cabling/electronics lets it down
Show me the scientific evidience that expensive mains cable with expensive plugs and fuses make a jot of difference to the
performance of a well designed amplifer. Prove me wrong.
performance of a well designed amplifer. Prove me wrong.
I think since you are the one on the attack in this thread, as indeed in most others to which you have so far contributed, the
burden of proof is probably on you
burden of proof is probably on you
I have a very good hifi consisting of Quad and PMC components, but what i have not wasted my money on are expensive rip of cables
with magic properties unlike you obviously. In your case scientific and engineering Ignorance is bliss.
with magic properties unlike you obviously. In your case scientific and engineering Ignorance is bliss.
heathpw:unlike you obviously
See, there you go again - you're making an assumption about something or someone without a shred of evidence. Doing that is
hardly the most scientific approach, is it?
See, there you go again - you're making an assumption about something or someone without a shred of evidence. Doing that is
hardly the most scientific approach, is it?
I suggest that we just set up a forum filter automatically directing all cable enquiries (mains, I/C, HDMI, etc, etc...) to previous 'free and frank exchanges of views' and leave it at that!
The burden of proof for what exactly?.
There are no test reports that show expensive mains cable inproves hifi component performance.
If mains cable did improve performance dont you think that every cable manufacturer on the planet would have test reports and evidence
backing up their claims, what a selling point that would be. (Buy our cable and reduce your amplifier distortion by 0.005% for example.)
There are no test reports that show expensive mains cable inproves hifi component performance.
If mains cable did improve performance dont you think that every cable manufacturer on the planet would have test reports and evidence
backing up their claims, what a selling point that would be. (Buy our cable and reduce your amplifier distortion by 0.005% for example.)
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heathpw:
I have a very good hifi consisting of Quad and PMC components, but what i have not wasted my money on are expensive rip of cables
with magic properties unlike you obviously. In your case scientific and engineering Ignorance is bliss.
OK, but have you even tried any of the products, or have you just got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning.
Many on here have tried, some do not see or hear any difference, others do and are quite happy to spend their money on such things.
I have a very good hifi consisting of Quad and PMC components, but what i have not wasted my money on are expensive rip of cables
with magic properties unlike you obviously. In your case scientific and engineering Ignorance is bliss.
OK, but have you even tried any of the products, or have you just got out of the wrong side of the bed this morning.
Many on here have tried, some do not see or hear any difference, others do and are quite happy to spend their money on such things.
heathpw:what a selling point that would be. (Buy our cable and reduce your amplifier distortion by 0.005% for example.)
No manufacturer would make such a claim, as of course a cable can't change the distortion characteristics of an amplifier.
Be careful, I think your
heathpw:scientific and engineering Ignorance
is showing.
The best a cable can do is introduce less problems: the ideal cable would be no cable, so the best cable is the one that does the the least when introduced into a system.
No manufacturer would make such a claim, as of course a cable can't change the distortion characteristics of an amplifier.
Be careful, I think your
heathpw:scientific and engineering Ignorance
is showing.
The best a cable can do is introduce less problems: the ideal cable would be no cable, so the best cable is the one that does the the least when introduced into a system.
Wouldn't the "burden of proof" be on the manufacturers of the cables? Russ Andrews certainly couldn't prove it to the ASA - Google it to see the report. Now their advertising claims have to rely upon testimonials.
In any case, Copperline Alpha isn't that expensive, looks great, is very well built (especially the mains block) and should last a lifetime. I would say definitely go for the fused otherwise your home insurance may be in jeopardy in the case of an electrical fire.
In any case, Copperline Alpha isn't that expensive, looks great, is very well built (especially the mains block) and should last a lifetime. I would say definitely go for the fused otherwise your home insurance may be in jeopardy in the case of an electrical fire.
heathpw:So how do you think they affect say an amplifier then.
I refer the combative gentleman to my answer above. And the answer for the OP is still 'the one with the fuse'.
I refer the combative gentleman to my answer above. And the answer for the OP is still 'the one with the fuse'.
JohnnyV111:Wouldn't the "burden of proof" be on the manufacturers of the cables? Russ Andrews certainly couldn't prove it to the ASA - Google it to see the report. Now their advertising claims have to rely upon testimonials.
Yes, the acoustics expert employed by the ASA felt the claims were unsubstantiated.
JohnnyV111:I would say definitely go for the fused otherwise your home insurance may be in jeopardy in the case of an electrical fire.
Indeed.
Yes, the acoustics expert employed by the ASA felt the claims were unsubstantiated.
JohnnyV111:I would say definitely go for the fused otherwise your home insurance may be in jeopardy in the case of an electrical fire.
Indeed.
Thanks a lot for all the replies! My main reason of buying the mains cable actually is because the UK plug is 90 deg design so I can save some space at the back of my TV stand (compare to the HK or US plugs). If it DOES make a positive difference then it's a bonus to me , so not overly worried about that. For £35 I wouldnt mind to try one out. 
As for the fused cable, my concern was because the original cable has no fuse at all, should I still get a fused cable?ÿ
As for the fused cable, my concern was because the original cable has no fuse at all, should I still get a fused cable?ÿ
inonefly:As for the fused cable, my concern was because the original cable has no fuse at all, should I still get a fused cable?
Yes, for the reason Johnny the Eighth gave above.
Yes, for the reason Johnny the Eighth gave above.
Yes, quite, £35 really isn't much money in the context of a decent AV system. Perhaps you could report back on any differences or otherwise when you get the cable...
heathpw:
The burden of proof for what exactly?.
There are no test reports that show expensive mains cable inproves hifi component performance.
If
mains cable did improve performance dont you think that every cable
manufacturer on the planet would have test reports and evidence
backing
up their claims, what a selling point that would be. (Buy our cable and
reduce your amplifier distortion by 0.005% for example.)
heathpw:So how do you think they affect say an amplifier then.
I believe this was answered here ~
http://community.whathifi.com/forums/2/501881/ShowThread.aspx#501881
The white papers for the cable test are online. Unfortunately the paper for the amp isnt, though I have a paper here with me
The burden of proof for what exactly?.
There are no test reports that show expensive mains cable inproves hifi component performance.
If
mains cable did improve performance dont you think that every cable
manufacturer on the planet would have test reports and evidence
backing
up their claims, what a selling point that would be. (Buy our cable and
reduce your amplifier distortion by 0.005% for example.)
heathpw:So how do you think they affect say an amplifier then.
I believe this was answered here ~
http://community.whathifi.com/forums/2/501881/ShowThread.aspx#501881
The white papers for the cable test are online. Unfortunately the paper for the amp isnt, though I have a paper here with me
For the benefit of Pistol Pete who like to rubbish something he knows nothing about, My current main system now consists of PMC FB1+ which i bought new 3 years ago, an audiolab 8000P preamp, a QUAD 909 power amp which i bought this year , and Quad CDP2 which I bought this year. I also have a pair spendor prelude speaker which I bought new in 1988, a quad 306 which I bought from new at the same time, a quad 405-2, I then up upgraded my preludes to a pair of spendor SP2 and finally a pair of PMCFB1+.
Over the years i have tried quite a few so called expensive magic speaker cables, phono cable, digital cables none of which made any difference and have been proven not to introduce measurable distortion.
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I have also built a few power amps designed by Dougles Self and randy slone, bought and read there books on amplifier design, the kits can be bought from Signaltranfer LTd incidentaly, there products have excellent perfomance. So I happen to know a little about what i am talking about. The latest nonsense is Magic mains cables, plugs and fuses that affects hifi component performance.
Over the years i have tried quite a few so called expensive magic speaker cables, phono cable, digital cables none of which made any difference and have been proven not to introduce measurable distortion.
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I have also built a few power amps designed by Dougles Self and randy slone, bought and read there books on amplifier design, the kits can be bought from Signaltranfer LTd incidentaly, there products have excellent perfomance. So I happen to know a little about what i am talking about. The latest nonsense is Magic mains cables, plugs and fuses that affects hifi component performance.
heathpw:
For the benefit of Pistol Pete who like to rubbish something he knows nothing about, My current main system now consists of PMC FB1+ which i bought new 3 years ago, an audiolab 8000P preamp, a QUAD 909 power amp which i bought this year , and Quad CDP2 which I bought this year. I also have a pair spendor prelude speaker which I bought new in 1988, a quad 306 which I bought from new at the same time, a quad 405-2, I then up upgraded my preludes to a pair of spendor SP2 and finally a pair of PMCFB1+.
Over the years i have tried quite a few so called expensive magic speaker cables, phono cable, digital cables none of which made any difference and have been proven not to introduce measurable distortion. I have also built a few power amps designed by Dougles Self and randy slone, bought and read there books on amplifier design, the kits can be bought from Signaltranfer LTd incidentaly, there products have excellent perfomance. So I happen to know a little about what i am talking about. The latest nonsense is Magic mains cables, plugs and fuses that affects hifi component performance.
So you can build amps but have struggle with simple spelling? So excellent that you now dont use them in your system?
I can build various components without manuals ~ whoopie doo to me. Now what?
Regardless. Building amps has zero relevance to this thread
If you believe its nonsense then please take up Ben Duncans tests with him. Im sure he'll explain it to you
If youve any proof his tests are faked im all ears though................
For the benefit of Pistol Pete who like to rubbish something he knows nothing about, My current main system now consists of PMC FB1+ which i bought new 3 years ago, an audiolab 8000P preamp, a QUAD 909 power amp which i bought this year , and Quad CDP2 which I bought this year. I also have a pair spendor prelude speaker which I bought new in 1988, a quad 306 which I bought from new at the same time, a quad 405-2, I then up upgraded my preludes to a pair of spendor SP2 and finally a pair of PMCFB1+.
Over the years i have tried quite a few so called expensive magic speaker cables, phono cable, digital cables none of which made any difference and have been proven not to introduce measurable distortion. I have also built a few power amps designed by Dougles Self and randy slone, bought and read there books on amplifier design, the kits can be bought from Signaltranfer LTd incidentaly, there products have excellent perfomance. So I happen to know a little about what i am talking about. The latest nonsense is Magic mains cables, plugs and fuses that affects hifi component performance.
So you can build amps but have struggle with simple spelling? So excellent that you now dont use them in your system?
I can build various components without manuals ~ whoopie doo to me. Now what?
Regardless. Building amps has zero relevance to this thread
If you believe its nonsense then please take up Ben Duncans tests with him. Im sure he'll explain it to you
If youve any proof his tests are faked im all ears though................
Andrew Everard:
heathpw:So how do you think they affect say an amplifier then.
I refer the combative gentleman to my answer above. And the answer for the OP is still 'the one with the fuse'.
Sorry i must have missed your answers, how do you think mains cables affect the performance of amplifier say
heathpw:So how do you think they affect say an amplifier then.
I refer the combative gentleman to my answer above. And the answer for the OP is still 'the one with the fuse'.
Sorry i must have missed your answers, how do you think mains cables affect the performance of amplifier say
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