just wired up my speakers with some , i was using nordost , cant say i notice much difference , i never really bought into the whole burn in thing ,i was expecting more ? do they really improve with use ?
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daveh75:No,not that i've noticed.But i'm sure others will disagree!
Umm...
Also recently upgraded to Silverscreen (bi-wire 4 > 4) and hearing night 'n' day improvement compared to old cable. (Mind you, it was only QED Original Bi-wire.)
Fella at Future Shop (FS) said that Chord recommends c. 70 hrs burn-in, but FS suggests c. 120(!) hrs.
At first, I was miffed by lack of mid-range bass. However, after c. 60 hrs it is improving. Using the bass guitar riff during opening bars of 1984 (Bowie's David Live) as demo*.
BTW, FS is spending c. £3000 on a gizmo to burn-in cable pre-shipping. Would it make such an investment if cable burn-in is a myth or, indeed, would such a device exist if it was so?
*EDIT: OK, just tried said demo - not heard for 4 days - and blimey what a difference, definite improvement IMHO.
Umm...
Also recently upgraded to Silverscreen (bi-wire 4 > 4) and hearing night 'n' day improvement compared to old cable. (Mind you, it was only QED Original Bi-wire.)
Fella at Future Shop (FS) said that Chord recommends c. 70 hrs burn-in, but FS suggests c. 120(!) hrs.
At first, I was miffed by lack of mid-range bass. However, after c. 60 hrs it is improving. Using the bass guitar riff during opening bars of 1984 (Bowie's David Live) as demo*.
BTW, FS is spending c. £3000 on a gizmo to burn-in cable pre-shipping. Would it make such an investment if cable burn-in is a myth or, indeed, would such a device exist if it was so?
*EDIT: OK, just tried said demo - not heard for 4 days - and blimey what a difference, definite improvement IMHO.
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maxflinn:just wired up my speakers with some , i was using nordost , cant say i notice much difference , i never really bought into the whole burn in thing ,i was expecting more ? do they really improve with use ?
There will be subtle differences, this allows you to shape or tweak the presentation. Give it about 3 days and you may notice a slight change.
There will be subtle differences, this allows you to shape or tweak the presentation. Give it about 3 days and you may notice a slight change.
70 hours, or possibly 120 hours for wire to...burn in? And £3k for a gizmo to do the hard work for you?!
I suspect that cost will be passed on in time to the customer.
I suspect that cost will be passed on in time to the customer.
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the record spot:70 hours, or possibly 120 hours for wire to...burn in? And £3k for a gizmo to do the hard work for you?!
I suspect that cost will be passed on in time to the customer.The likes of RA etc charge an extra £15-20 for burn in! So i doubt it a takes to long to recoup costs
I suspect that cost will be passed on in time to the customer.The likes of RA etc charge an extra £15-20 for burn in! So i doubt it a takes to long to recoup costs
daveh75:the record spot:70 hours, or possibly 120 hours for wire to...burn in? And £3k for a gizmo to do the hard work for you?! I suspect that cost will be passed on in time to the customer.The likes of RA etc charge an extra £15-20 for burn in! So i doubt it a takes to long to recoup costs
And then they go on to say it'll require further burn-in in your own system anyway!
And then they go on to say it'll require further burn-in in your own system anyway!
OK got the silver screen today, and even better bargain that I'd thought - I bought it at under £5 a metre to start with, and ordered 8m. I got 9 so that was useful for making up a set of jumpers. I'm using them with bare ends straight into the LF terminal of the Spennies, and the K2 tightened up by hand as much as I can. Straight out of the box there is a noticeable difference compared to the silver high breed cbales I was using (and they were a big improvement over the QED anniversary that I was using). I was surprised at how small the diametr of the core is but then it works so who cares. I'm not so sure abot this cabe burning stuff, as I have never noticed it with ICs, certainly not in the same dramatic way that speakers and the components do anyway.
I'm only 3/4 through listening to Slash's new CD and there is much greater separation, with a more extended open top end, no bad thing with the K2/S6e pairing which is far from coarse. That I had hoped for, but the biggest surprise is to the upper bass / lower mid. Despite liestening at neighbour friendly levels, drum fills on the tom toms have real thud to them, a real punch. It's so easy to hear whether the drummer is holding back a little or smashing the proverbial out of his kit, and all whilst the rest of the band is playing around them. The separation and soundstaging is now pretty awesome. Can't wait till the neighbours are out and when I move house again! Still waiting for the NEATS to arrive, next change will be to try swapping the SHB ICs for the chords. cobras.
I'm only 3/4 through listening to Slash's new CD and there is much greater separation, with a more extended open top end, no bad thing with the K2/S6e pairing which is far from coarse. That I had hoped for, but the biggest surprise is to the upper bass / lower mid. Despite liestening at neighbour friendly levels, drum fills on the tom toms have real thud to them, a real punch. It's so easy to hear whether the drummer is holding back a little or smashing the proverbial out of his kit, and all whilst the rest of the band is playing around them. The separation and soundstaging is now pretty awesome. Can't wait till the neighbours are out and when I move house again! Still waiting for the NEATS to arrive, next change will be to try swapping the SHB ICs for the chords. cobras.
i swapped the chords and nordost cables around a few times last night , had a friend on hand for a 2nd opinion , the best way either of us could describe the difference was that the chord sounded more solid , dont know if that makes sense , but its the best we could come up with ....
max, when i swapped from carnival silverscreen to odyssey i noticed a big difference, it may be you have just made a slight tweek rather than an upgrade..
THESTIG08:max, when i swapped from carnival silverscreen to odyssey i noticed a big difference, it may be you have just made a slight tweek rather than an upgrade..hmmm , im a non believer when it comes to most cabling , i spent e28 on 4 metres of silverscreen and was expecting the salesman to burst out laughing
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4 metres of oddysey would cost me e112 ...
.. id need to think my lounge had turned into wembley stadium
4 metres of oddysey would cost me e112 ...
Have you read this thread Max ~
http://community.whathifi.com/forums/t/432948.aspx
Ive been doing quite a bit of research and whilst ive never tried the speaker cable, Van Damme are supposed to be the mutts nutts for the price
The Balanced interconnects Ive recently fitted have impressed the hell out of me. So much so ive even bought a Van damme with RCA connectors off ebay to try from my cd player
http://community.whathifi.com/forums/t/432948.aspx
Ive been doing quite a bit of research and whilst ive never tried the speaker cable, Van Damme are supposed to be the mutts nutts for the price
The Balanced interconnects Ive recently fitted have impressed the hell out of me. So much so ive even bought a Van damme with RCA connectors off ebay to try from my cd player
Ive found biggest 'run in' differences with solid silver products (Which most wont have anyways). They really are 'night and day' changes
i read that thread rik , interesting ok , ill see how i go with the chord silver for a while though , as i said earlier i think i did hear a difference from the nordost , thats got me thinking , just a tiny little bit
Ive done my own tests and can say that out of all cables, the speaker cables are the ones that make the LEAST difference (So long as the wires thick enough). Probably due to the sheer wattage thats feeding the speakers
The strangest one I recall is when I bought my dads Van Den Huls off him (Very expensive stuff, forgets the name though). These had been on his system for a few years so VERY well used. After connecting them up, for the first 3 days I absolutely hated the sound. The treble was really 'shrilly'. Not high pitched as in deafening or anything like that, it was like really bad sibilance with anything in the higher registries. After 3 days it settled and they sounded amazing.
Id love to know why they sounded like that though!
The strangest one I recall is when I bought my dads Van Den Huls off him (Very expensive stuff, forgets the name though). These had been on his system for a few years so VERY well used. After connecting them up, for the first 3 days I absolutely hated the sound. The treble was really 'shrilly'. Not high pitched as in deafening or anything like that, it was like really bad sibilance with anything in the higher registries. After 3 days it settled and they sounded amazing.
Id love to know why they sounded like that though!
well ill keep an eye on the sound of my chord cable , im open minded , if i think they start to sound different ill say so , although my amp cdp and speakers are all new so it would be impossible to say whats changed really , everything is burning in ..
max, best thing you can do is narrow your search to a few cables and then get them on home demo,lay all the cables out so you can plug them in straight after each other and get your mate to change them while you sit in the listening position.
this is what i did with
[*]chord carnival silver screen
[*]chord rumour
[*]chord odyessy
you can really hear the changes this way, subtle or not.
my mrs even heard the differences and she could'nt hear an F1 car drive past
this is what i did with
[*]chord carnival silver screen
[*]chord rumour
[*]chord odyessy
you can really hear the changes this way, subtle or not.
my mrs even heard the differences and she could'nt hear an F1 car drive past
Max, the best thing that you might do is to try out some unbranded cables - both for speaker and interconnects - and compare and contrast. Not pushing one over the other, but if you hear a difference then great, if you don't, then you just have to decide if you want to pay the extra for a neat looking box.
im going to stick with what i have stig , music has never sounded better so im happy ..
if and when i do decide to upgrade my amp , then maybe ill look at different cable
if and when i do decide to upgrade my amp , then maybe ill look at different cable
THESTIG08:
max, best thing you can do is narrow your search to a few cables and then get them on home demo,lay all the cables out so you can plug them in straight after each other and get your mate to change them while you sit in the listening position.
this is what i did with
[*]chord carnival silver screen
[*]chord rumour
[*]chord odyessy
you can really hear the changes this way, subtle or not.
my mrs even heard the differences and she could'nt hear an F1 car drive past
Are these not 'colouration' of the sound though?
Way I see it, a cable should allow all information through without changing it in any way (Transparent if you will)
Id hazard a guess, all those cables are doing are warping the frequencies (Not allowing music to play the way it should be)
max, best thing you can do is narrow your search to a few cables and then get them on home demo,lay all the cables out so you can plug them in straight after each other and get your mate to change them while you sit in the listening position.
this is what i did with
[*]chord carnival silver screen
[*]chord rumour
[*]chord odyessy
you can really hear the changes this way, subtle or not.
my mrs even heard the differences and she could'nt hear an F1 car drive past
Are these not 'colouration' of the sound though?
Way I see it, a cable should allow all information through without changing it in any way (Transparent if you will)
Id hazard a guess, all those cables are doing are warping the frequencies (Not allowing music to play the way it should be)
Indeed, so for separates, you introduce a series of factors (cables) that will add additional influence to the resulting sound. So, mains conditioners, interconnects and speaker cable. The last thing to do is to then rely on the cable for changes to the sound. It should just be the conduit for signal transfer, not the means by which what you hear is modified by it!
what i cant figure out , and im not saying speaker cables dont make a difference , but copper is copper , theres no such thing as "intelligent" or "active" copper , its just a mineral that happens to have a certain relationship with electricity , so , current in current out , what can possibly happen that improves sound from amp to speaker ?
perhaps different is not always better , but is often perceived to be
perhaps different is not always better , but is often perceived to be
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