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Yeah.
On another forum someone mentioned the SL1200G as an "almost affordable" starting point. A £4k table to which you will have to add another £3k approx between cart and phono stage...
Most audiophiles financial situation must be very different to the average Joe, as I wouldn't dream of calling a £7k turntable set-up almost affordable 😆
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SL1200G probably the most " affordable " High End turntable
Will get you 75% of the performance of a deck costing 10times the cost
Will get you 75% of the performance of a deck costing 10times the cost
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That is exactly my concern - I am thinking about the SL1300 next year (£3k) or Rega P8/10. Will I get a threefold improvement in SQ over my SL1500C or are we firmly in the land of diminishing returns?
No, I meant £4K, was the total cost of the TT all in. You know as well as everyone here, there is no way you can buy extras to embelish the SACD with new components, making it like a jigsaw, so we can all add, solder, or hammer percieved improvements into it. But, with todays tech, they CAN make a remote for the TT, but they cannot flip it over. ( I'm proberbly wrong about this). There must be thousands of patents regarding this issue. I'm afraid the internet will come to our rescue, then a slight mis-hap in the low earth orbit will leave us without music. Unless of course we have records and CD's to back it up.
On another matter, if a power surge can take out Heathrow, Just think what it can do to your kit.
On another matter, if a power surge can take out Heathrow, Just think what it can do to your kit.
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Yes my comment wasn't referring to you but someone on another forum suggesting a £4k turntable is an "almost affordable" starting point. I don't at all question the £4k cost necessary to get a quality table - just the call on £5-7k (including cart and phono) seemed funny.
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Quite simply nope.
Most of the improvements on the G series are centred around weight and making it inert. Brass platter that sort of thing. And its better put together and slicker in operation but does that affect sound?
Does a power supply make any difference? the motor is mean't to be "smoother"?
They probably all add up to a change but how noticable that would be I dont know. The biggest difference you'll hear are with carts and phono stages.
There is a lot you can do to the 1500c to bring it inline, funk firm mat, better isolated replacement feet, replace the cart, add an outboard phono stage, proper isolation, god forbid a nice power cord.
There best selling turntable is the GR and the new model they just released, I bet with a few of the aforementioned "mods" would probably make it snap at the heals of the 1300. So much so I bet they actually struggle to sell the 1300. RRP's 799 separates them. Well, you can clearly see it steps on its toes, the GR2 has had a 300 price reduction already.
If you have bouncy floors and/or are unwilling to wall mount id stay from the extremely lightweight rega's
Take from that what you will. But id be in no rush.
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It was not a 'power surge' at Heathrow it was a substation on fire, thus removing power.
As every single newspaper, website, radio and TV channel reported at the time.
So power sub-stations are now spontaniously combusting, without a cause. So as every single newspaper, website, radio and TV channels are full of ****. This is just the first of many electrical (accidents) due over the next ten years. And it's all my fault.
Time for bed.
Time for bed.
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I didn't read all the responses due to time is not on my side, despite what the Mick Jagger said!
I would NEVER buy a vinyl record that was done by a modern musician because all they are doing is putting a digital recorded and digitally mixed unto vinyl, that does not magically convert the vinyl sound into true analog, thus modern music will only sound good from a CD.
But the reverse is true, a recording done in the days before digital will sound better on vinyl then it will on a CD.
I have several albums of the same exact album on both vinyl and CD, and on CD the response is not as good as the vinyl is.
Now I know there will be plenty of doubters on what I said, but that is my experience, as well as a long time friend of mine who has been recording music professionally since the 70s, and still does it today, but of course today he's 100% digital. He has told me that he wished that he had never sold his analog gear, which he got very little for it all because it was "dated" technology.
I would NEVER buy a vinyl record that was done by a modern musician because all they are doing is putting a digital recorded and digitally mixed unto vinyl, that does not magically convert the vinyl sound into true analog, thus modern music will only sound good from a CD.
But the reverse is true, a recording done in the days before digital will sound better on vinyl then it will on a CD.
I have several albums of the same exact album on both vinyl and CD, and on CD the response is not as good as the vinyl is.
Now I know there will be plenty of doubters on what I said, but that is my experience, as well as a long time friend of mine who has been recording music professionally since the 70s, and still does it today, but of course today he's 100% digital. He has told me that he wished that he had never sold his analog gear, which he got very little for it all because it was "dated" technology.
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Yes, I was suspecting that type of answer. I am thinking about all the various mods already actually.
But in terms of cart - on another thread someone baulked at the idea of using a £800 MC cart on an £800 turntable...
I don't know enough about it but it made some sense - hence I settled on the idea that the right cart would be in the £3/400 ballpark. And same for the phono - hence my current Simaudio Moon.
In terms of the latter. someone (a couple of people actually) suggested that it might be the weak link, being a little too sedate in presentation. Which - digging through reviews and reading between the lines - might be true (especially with MC carts, which restricts my upgrade path that way).
All this made me think about the Rega Aria - and in turn about a P8 turntable 😆 . But that probably for my 50th next year. For the time being, I will probably settle for the Achromat, KAB damper and a cartridge upgrade - most likely an Ortofon black rather than my original idea of an AT-33PTG, due to the Simaudio.
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I would love to agree with that, but sadly not on my system. A 1st pressing of Dark Side of the Moon did not sound as good as the SACD version, nor the Hi-Res through Apple Music. Which is what got this crazily buzzing bee in my bonnet...
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The Dark Side of the Moon SACD contains both a surround mix (in full DSD) and a stereo track which is the same as a CD.
You need a top-quality turntable, arm, cartridge and phono stage to get the best out vinyl.
The Dark Side of The Moon has been remastered a number of times over the years (Some good and some bad) so yes there will be differences. (The recording of Dark Side of the Moon was all Analogue)
Bill
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Magic. Over forty years old and still sets the benchmark for the best cd loading mechanism.
If my memory serves correctly, the tray shoot outs, and shoots back in, mind your fingers 😂
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The Achromat completely sucked on my system. They used to offer a money-back guarantee - check it's still around!
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Right. What's your system? Not overly excited about it tbh and this helps balance the views..
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I run a Linn Axis.
The original 'felt' (in fact some sort of light foam) was a million times better. The bass suddenly got very muddied with the Achromat.
My theory on this is:
- Achromat similar density to vinyl, so no reflection of vibes at that LP/mat interface - intended behaviour
- Whoopsie - but they go straight down and bounce off the metal platter
..and the Achromat is nowhere near as absorbent as the foam original.
I got that muddy confused bass whether on cans or speakers so not speaker feedback, was happening at the turntable.
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Very interesting. Not a fan of soft bass in any shape, so will be sure to check the money back guarantee..
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Haha the current Marantz are definitely slower... And more temperamental.
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Agreed. I've lost count how many times this subject has come up over the years. This is only 2nd, the most subjective subject being cables.
For those interested in understanding the real differences between analog and digital, and not the subjective anecdotes, Jim Lesurf's Information and Measurement is an excellent guide.
I owned a Rega p8 with apheta 2 and aria phono stage which I sold as I found streaming to sound better to me. I've now bought a Teac vrds -701 cd transport connected to a Auralic Vega S1 dac streamer to my Hegel H390 and some CDs now sound better than hi Res streaming it has really made a impression I didn't think CDs could sound this good. Another downside to vinyl is getting good pressings unless you have a good collection already new vinyl is like russian roulette loads of crappy pressings.
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Have you listened to SACD or very high Res DSD?
You'll find this further improves on the CD format 🙂
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