CD player upgrade

[Blacksabbath25]

Ok a question... I have a marantz sa 6005 but thinking about getting the sa8005 to match my amp is this wouth me doing or is this just a wast of money as I have looked at the spec on both players and both have the same frequency but not sure if the power supply is better on the 8005cd and apart from it being a scad play that's the only difference I can see I will mainly be playing CDs but might get some scads if I get the player . Now the on board dac in the 8005 CD player is it better then the arcam ir dac which I have as I am using the 6005 as cd transport only running the ir dac coaxed . Not interested in any other CD player just the marantz . Thanks

 

[gasolin]

Ok a question... I have a marantz sa 6005 but thinking about getting the sa8005 to match my amp is this wouth me doing or is this just a wast of money as I have looked at the spec on both players and both have the same frequency but not sure if the power supply is better on the 8005cd and apart from it being a scad play that's the only difference I can see I will mainly be playing CDs but might get some scads if I get the player . Now the on board dac in the 8005 CD player is it better then the arcam ir dac which I have as I am using the 6005 as cd transport only running the ir dac coaxed . Not interested in any other CD player just the marantz . Thanks

Do you have to much money?

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Ok a question... I have a marantz sa 6005 but thinking about getting the sa8005 to match my amp is this wouth me doing or is this just a wast of money as I have looked at the spec on both players and both have the same frequency but not sure if the power supply is better on the 8005cd and apart from it being a scad play that's the only difference I can see I will mainly be playing CDs but might get some scads if I get the player . Now the on board dac in the 8005 CD player is it better then the arcam ir dac which I have as I am using the 6005 as cd transport only running the ir dac coaxed . Not interested in any other CD player just the marantz . Thanks

Do you have to much money?

yes thanks you ?

 

[gasolin]

You just buy a SA8005 and send me you cd6005

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Look if you can not give me any advice then please do not bother posting what's your problem ? *preved*

 

[Deleted member 108165]

Ok a question... I have a marantz sa 6005 but thinking about getting the sa8005 to match my amp is this wouth me doing or is this just a wast of money as I have looked at the spec on both players and both have the same frequency but not sure if the power supply is better on the 8005cd and apart from it being a scad play that's the only difference I can see I will mainly be playing CDs but might get some scads if I get the player . Now the on board dac in the 8005 CD player is it better then the arcam ir dac which I have as I am using the 6005 as cd transport only running the ir dac coaxed . Not interested in any other CD player just the marantz . Thanks

Not trying to shoot you down but did you not get enough replies in your previous thread about the very same thing? Here:

http://www.whathifi.com/forum/hi-fi/sacd-players-1

 

[gasolin]

The dac is the same on both (specifications) do you have any sa cd's? Why not a used one since it looks like your only interested in having the option to play sa cd's, so it doesn't matter what dac the sa cd player has since you want to use your external dac as you do now and soundvise there should only be the difference that there is between cd's and sa cd's since the dac in the player are the same http://www.marantz.co.uk/uk/products/pages/productcomparison.aspx?catid=hifi&subcatid=sacdcdplayer&productid=sa8005|cd6005

 

[Blacksabbath25]

no i was asking at the time about the scads they were dead in the water . i just wanted to match the cd player with the amp i have and did say if it was a wast of money or not to change above as i was looking at the spec of the 8005 to see if it was the same player as the 6005 as i would keep what i have if it was the same player ( i was just asking a question ) is it wouth the change . thanks

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Depending on your disposable moneys...

I'd get the sa8005.

The cd6005 is the entry level and it's fair to guess it's inards reflect its budget.

I own a Marantz cd63 and the NAD C660 theNAD being the more expensive of the two when new.

I use the DAC in my amp using the players as transports via digital coax - the NAD transport is better. With superior detail, soundstage and seperation.

The Marantz sounds fine but if swapping them out giving both players a decent period in. The NAD is the better player.

What the improvements are worth is up to debate but you get what you pay for.

The 'its digital so it'll sound the same' is a rubbish argument.

So, if it is not going to hurt your pocket I'd go for the upgrade then make up your own mind.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Depending on your disposable moneys...

I'd get the sa8005.

The cd6005 is the entry level and it's fair to guess it's inards reflect its budget.

I own a Marantz cd63 and the NAD C660 theNAD being the more expensive of the two when new.

I use the DAC in my amp using the players as transports via digital coax - the NAD transport is better. With superior detail, soundstage and seperation.

The Marantz sounds fine but if swapping them out giving both players a decent period in. The NAD is the better player.

What the improvements are worth is up to debate but you get what you pay for.

The 'its digital so it'll sound the same' is a rubbish argument.

So, if it is not going to hurt your pocket I'd go for the upgrade then make up your own mind.

Hi yes I got left over budget money so can afford to get the 8005 CD player and thought the same that the CD player would have much better components in side then the 6005 has but not sure of this if it has or not but do not expect any better sound then I have now as I am not using 6005 dac i am using the arcam dac instead so that's why I made this post to find out what's under the hood of sa8005 cd player and like you said my CD player is the budgets model

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Sod it I have ordered it now at least it's all matching now

 

[paulkebab]

to outdo the irDAC with another transport IMO, but give it a whirl before you buy. I'm using my Yam CD-S300 in exactly the same way, as transport through the Arcam. I did a double triple blind test and the Arcam is easily more revealing than the Yamaha DAC and it blummin' well should be - it's not an issue as I don't play CD's much these days, just rip and stream. Good luck in your quest.

 

[Thompsonuxb]

Sod it I have ordered it now at least it's all matching now

*good*

Let us know your findings.....

Your amp deserves a better player.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Yes I know that the arcam irdac will be hard to beat and I will carry on using it with the new player as I did with the 6005 CD player as the ir dac is a very good dac and works very well with my equipment and sounds good . The bonus will be for scads use which I think if I can get hold of them will be my favourite bands only on scad

 

[paulkebab]

I'm sure of that and all matching too which was a factor when I upgraded my amp. As thompsonuxb said, post your findings as that would make interesting reading. Your avatar has prompted me to test the Vinny with some Sabbs! Symptom of the Universe and A National Acrobat comin up!

 

[MajorFubar]

I own a Marantz cd63 and the NAD C660 theNAD being the more expensive of the two when new....the NAD transport is better. With superior detail, soundstage and seperation. The Marantz sounds fine but if swapping them out giving both players a decent period in. The NAD is the better player.

If you're noticing any difference at all then the best thing you can do is throw them both in the bin and buy something that can read CDs properly in the first place without loss or corruption, I highly recommend any £15 USB ROM drive off eBay.

As for the OP...glad you went for it. You've clearly got a bit of spare cash which isn't a crime, you'll get a CD player in the same range as your amp, which is always nice, and it will play SACDs should you ever feel the urge to indulge. Also there's sense of gratification/buzz from buying new gear, at the end of the day you're a long time dead, hit yourself with any legal-high you can IMO, even if that means just satisfying your upgraditis/gear aquisition syndrome.

 

[Blacksabbath25]

I own a Marantz cd63 and the NAD C660 theNAD being the more expensive of the two when new....the NAD transport is better. With superior detail, soundstage and seperation. The Marantz sounds fine but if swapping them out giving both players a decent period in. The NAD is the better player.

If you're noticing any difference at all then the best thing you can do is throw them both in the bin and buy something that can read CDs properly in the first place without loss or corruption, I highly recommend any £15 USB ROM drive off eBay.

As for the OP...glad you went for it. You've clearly got a bit of spare cash which isn't a crime, you'll get a CD player in the same range as your amp, which is always nice, and it will play SACDs should you ever feel the urge to indulge. Also there's sense of gratification/buzz from buying new gear, at the end of the day you're a long time dead, hit yourself with any legal-high you can IMO, even if that means just satisfying your upgraditis/gear aquisition syndrome.

I love my hi fi and its my pride and joy it makes sense to me that I got the 8005 CD player even though there would only be a bit of a difference in sound if any I am sure the components would be better in the 8005 CD player but I was just trying to find out on here from someone who's got one i will be buying scad CDs in the future but only my favourite bands . But sure when it comes to buying hi fi some of it is psychology

 

[Thompsonuxb]

I own a Marantz cd63 and the NAD C660 theNAD being the more expensive of the two when new....the NAD transport is better. With superior detail, soundstage and seperation. The Marantz sounds fine but if swapping them out giving both players a decent period in. The NAD is the better player.

If you're noticing any difference at all then the best thing you can do is throw them both in the bin and buy something that can read CDs properly in the first place without loss or corruption, I highly recommend any £15 USB ROM drive off eBay.

As for the OP...glad you went for it. You've clearly got a bit of spare cash which isn't a crime, you'll get a CD player in the same range as your amp, which is always nice, and it will play SACDs should you ever feel the urge to indulge. Also there's sense of gratification/buzz from buying new gear, at the end of the day you're a long time dead, hit yourself with any legal-high you can IMO, even if that means just satisfying your upgraditis/gear aquisition syndrome.

More sabre rattling Major.......lol.

Oh..... You are of the all digital digitals sound the same brigade....aka.....'I can't hear a difference' I can't argue with you - and I don't notice differences, they are clearly audible.

You know I'm not selling anything.....what are you selling?

 

[emperor's new clothes]

Hi Blacksabbath,

Congrats - you will notice the difference when you lift it out of the box. I had an irDAC prior to the sa8005. By all means keep it, but I suggest that you also connect the SA to PM with rca and then you can do an A/B comparison "on the fly". The HDAMs in the sa8005 are a high grade and you will be missing out using spdif out. Also if you buy SACDs - I highly recommend that you try some and ignore the nay-sayers on here - they will be downmixed to PCM and I don't think the irDAC is DSD capable. I use the SA as a digital hub including coax in from a SBT and ipad & macbook in via USB. BTW the Opticon 6s have over 100 hours and are sounding superb. I just played Brothers in Arms on SACD and the detail, bass, soundstage and clarity are stunning. In comparison to Spotify premium version, it is chalk and cheese. Happy listening, you won't be disappointed.

 

[matthewpiano]

A CD player is about more than just the DAC. You could use the best DAC chip in the world but if you stick it in a box with a hopeless transport, low grade transformer, and other poor quality bits it will sound nothing like what it is capable of.

I would expect a significant step in performance from the SA8005 over the CD6005. It is a player I myself am potentially interested in as I have quite a few dual-layer CD/SACD discs and I always found the SACD layer better in the days when I had a Denon DCD1500ae. Marantz have always been market leaders in quality CD playback.

 

[MajorFubar]

You know I'm not selling anything.....what are you selling?

Sell you a USB CD ROM drive that reads CDs properly for £20 :-D

 

[gasolin]

Hi Blacksabbath,

Congrats - you will notice the difference when you lift it out of the box. I had an irDAC prior to the sa8005. By all means keep it, but I suggest that you also connect the SA to PM with rca and then you can do an A/B comparison "on the fly". The HDAMs in the sa8005 are a high grade and you will be missing out using spdif out. Also if you buy SACDs - I highly recommend that you try some and ignore the nay-sayers on here - they will be downmixed to PCM and I don't think the irDAC is DSD capable. I use the SA as a digital hub including coax in from a SBT and ipad & macbook in via USB. BTW the Opticon 6s have over 100 hours and are sounding superb. I just played Brothers in Arms on SACD and the detail, bass, soundstage and clarity are stunning. In comparison to Spotify premium version, it is chalk and cheese. Happy listening, you won't be disappointed.

LOL spotify isn't even losless and your talking of a diffrende between spotify premium and sa cd's

That's like compare 1080p and 4k

 

[Blacksabbath25]

Hi Blacksabbath,

Congrats - you will notice the difference when you lift it out of the box. I had an irDAC prior to the sa8005. By all means keep it, but I suggest that you also connect the SA to PM with rca and then you can do an A/B comparison "on the fly". The HDAMs in the sa8005 are a high grade and you will be missing out using spdif out. Also if you buy SACDs - I highly recommend that you try some and ignore the nay-sayers on here - they will be downmixed to PCM and I don't think the irDAC is DSD capable. I use the SA as a digital hub including coax in from a SBT and ipad & macbook in via USB. BTW the Opticon 6s have over 100 hours and are sounding superb. I just played Brothers in Arms on SACD and the detail, bass, soundstage and clarity are stunning. In comparison to Spotify premium version, it is chalk and cheese. Happy listening, you won't be disappointed.

thats good news about the rca i will try that thank you and .yes i must be near a 100 hrs on my opticon 6s by now but they really are nice speakers and so glad i got them and yes brothers in arms would be my first choice as well when buying sacd cd its such a good album and if anyones reading this get a demo on the opticon 6s or the 8s they are top speakers and wouth a demo

 

[emperor's new clothes]

gasolin,

LOL - this is a forum for grown ups.

Thank you. I do know that spotify is compressed 320kbps org vorbis and a was pointing out the gulf in SQ compared to SACD (to my ears). We are in an era where quality has been compromised by convenience. Lets hope that Tidal and other's potential adoption of Bob Stuart's MQA can redeem a chronically cynical music industry. Not holding my breath.

My spelling isn't great either.

Having seen a number of 4K TVs, the higher definition does not mitigate other inherent issues that plague LED and to a lesser extent, OLED. No such issues with my treasured 1080p Kuro 600KRP plasma.

 

[MajorFubar]

I just played Brothers in Arms on SACD and the detail, bass, soundstage and clarity are stunning. In comparison to Spotify premium version, it is chalk and cheese.  Happy listening, you won't be disappointed.

For a time in 1985 sales of BIA accounted for 50% of all CDs ever sold globally. On account of its huge success, I remember them showing a programme about the album on TV, would be maybe late 85 early 86, which explained how it had been recorded, mixed and mastered entirely digitally, through a digital desk and onto digital recorders, at 16bit 44.1kHz using Sony PCM digital tape recorders.

So considering none of it exists at a higher resolution than 16/44, this is proof beyond doubt that nearly all the differences we hear between high-bitrate MP3s, AACs, CDs and HD audio are because of different masters. This will be why the SACD sounds so different to other releases of the same (and accepting the fact Spotify is lossy).

I haven't looked but I wouldn't be at all surprised to see there is a 'HD download' of the album available somewhere. Remarkable.