I am saving for the Cambridge audio at the moment, when I saw that the Denon was the same price. has anybody had any experience when it comes to both player. Shops, what HIFI team or forum users?
Cambridge audio 650BD vers Denon DBP-1611UD
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Both these players should be close in terms of performance, although the Denon has the added feature of 3D capability. Cambridge Audio 650BD is manufactured by a Chinese company called Winbase Electronics, who apparently also makes Oppo players. So it must be very good. I haven't tested either of them.
bigboss:Both these players should be close in terms of performance, although the Denon has the added feature of 3D capability. Cambridge Audio 650BD is manufactured by a Chinese company called Winbase Electronics, who apparently also makes Oppo players. So it must be very good. I haven't tested either of them.
Hi BigBoss
I did see on a other site that they compared the Denon to a Oppo 80, I have never heard of this make before but when you said they make C A I looked again and they do look very similar.I beleave Richer Sounds own C A now? Which would you go for? It will be very hard to put them next to each other to test, as Richer Sounds dose not stock the Denon..
Dean
Hi BigBoss
I did see on a other site that they compared the Denon to a Oppo 80, I have never heard of this make before but when you said they make C A I looked again and they do look very similar.I beleave Richer Sounds own C A now? Which would you go for? It will be very hard to put them next to each other to test, as Richer Sounds dose not stock the Denon..
Dean
bigboss
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Oppo is a legendary player amongst the videophile community. Oppo almost launched a blu-ray player (BDP-831) in Europe. Some people claim that CA 650BD is the same player as Oppo 80 (similar board, DACs etc.) with slightly different specs. I would probably go for the Denon. as it's a bigger company & you will get discounts due to competition between retailers (Cambridge Audio is sold by RS only).
bigboss:Oppo is a legendary player amongst the videophile community. Oppo almost launched a blu-ray player (BDP-831) in Europe. Some people claim that CA 650BD is the same player as Oppo 80 (similar board, DACs etc.) with slightly different specs. I would probably go for the Denon. as it's a bigger company & you will get discounts due to competition between retailers (Cambridge Audio is sold by RS only).
Thanks BigBoss,
Do you know if WHFI are going to test the Denon I carn't seem to find much on this player in the way of reviews?
Dean
Thanks BigBoss,
Do you know if WHFI are going to test the Denon I carn't seem to find much on this player in the way of reviews?
Dean
nads
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At risking starting a major debate if you are using the HDMI conections for both image and sound the BD player becomes a bit of a non entity, other than load times and usability, as the Amp and TV will be doing all the decoding.
nads:At risking starting a major debate if you are using the HDMI conections for both image and sound the BD player becomes a bit of a non entity, other than load times and usability, as the Amp and TV will be doing all the decoding.
In that case would not a £50 Blu-Ray player be the same?? Or my PS3 and my Samsung?
But my Samsung dose have a better Picture over my PS3 so this carn't be right????
Dean
In that case would not a £50 Blu-Ray player be the same?? Or my PS3 and my Samsung?
But my Samsung dose have a better Picture over my PS3 so this carn't be right????
Dean
I've just spotted the Marantz UD5005 all these look like they have similer specs.
I guess it comes down to who makes a better player.
Could anybody from What HIFI give there views please?
Dose anybody use a marantz player?
Please help my head is hurting, just as i made my mind up i spot these two. Both the Denon and Marantz look nicer.
Dean
I guess it comes down to who makes a better player.
Could anybody from What HIFI give there views please?
Dose anybody use a marantz player?
Please help my head is hurting, just as i made my mind up i spot these two. Both the Denon and Marantz look nicer.
Dean
I'm in the same boat as you, I'm looking to spend up to about £400 on blu-ray/sacd player. I recently sold my Oppo BDP-83 and my Sony BDP-S360 (bedroom). I got £470 for the 2 and paid £100 for a Sony BDP-S370. I'm using the 370 as my main player for the moment and as has been said before, at 1080p playback the differences aren't massive. It's certainly better than the 360, less noise and a sharper image. How does it compare to the Oppo for picture, if you want your player to upscale SD to 1080p, it can't compete with the Oppo. In terms of HD playback, I'd say that the picture is brighter and slightly sharper, maybe a little less noise, but colours are a bit too vivid (although that has improved with burn in). Where I expect a more expensive player to show dividends is with sound, the 370 is articulate, but can sound a little harsh at times, not much low end grunt. It plays SACD's superbly for a £100 player, feeding a DSD signal via HDMI to my Z7, although lacking a bit in the midrange and low end.
I don't need internal decoding in a player and with Anchor Bay in my Z7, upscaling's not an issue either. I thought about the CA, but would expect it to perform pretty much the same as my outgoing Oppo. Blu-Ray is still improving, so the more recent Denon 1611 and the Sony BDP-S770 are the ones on my shortlist. For me, the Denon has the better build and chassis helping with a more stable platform for audio playback, plus DVD-Audio capability, although I expect that the Sony 770 will probably have a marginally better picture. I'm torn which way to go, whilst I respect Denon as a qulaity brand, their sound is usually too refined and warm for me.
I don't need internal decoding in a player and with Anchor Bay in my Z7, upscaling's not an issue either. I thought about the CA, but would expect it to perform pretty much the same as my outgoing Oppo. Blu-Ray is still improving, so the more recent Denon 1611 and the Sony BDP-S770 are the ones on my shortlist. For me, the Denon has the better build and chassis helping with a more stable platform for audio playback, plus DVD-Audio capability, although I expect that the Sony 770 will probably have a marginally better picture. I'm torn which way to go, whilst I respect Denon as a qulaity brand, their sound is usually too refined and warm for me.
pete321:
I'm in the same boat as you, I'm looking to spend up to about £400 on blu-ray/sacd player. I recently sold my Oppo BDP-83 and my Sony BDP-S360 (bedroom). I got £470 for the 2 and paid £100 for a Sony BDP-S370. I'm using the 370 as my main player for the moment and as has been said before, at 1080p playback the differences aren't massive. It's certainly better than the 360, less noise and a sharper image. How does it compare to the Oppo for picture, if you want your player to upscale SD to 1080p, it can't compete with the Oppo. In terms of HD playback, I'd say that the picture is brighter and slightly sharper, maybe a little less noise, but colours are a bit too vivid (although that has improved with burn in). Where I expect a more expensive player to show dividends is with sound, the 370 is articulate, but can sound a little harsh at times, not much low end grunt. It plays SACD's superbly for a £100 player, feeding a DSD signal via HDMI to my Z7, although lacking a bit in the midrange and low end.
I don't need internal decoding in a player and with Anchor Bay in my Z7, upscaling's not an issue either. I thought about the CA, but would expect it to perform pretty much the same as my outgoing Oppo. Blu-Ray is still improving, so the more recent Denon 1611 and the Sony BDP-S770 are the ones on my shortlist. For me, the Denon has the better build and chassis helping with a more stable platform for audio playback, plus DVD-Audio capability, although I expect that the Sony 770 will probably have a marginally better picture. I'm torn which way to go, whilst I respect Denon as a qulaity brand, their sound is usually too refined and warm for me.
Hi Pete
Have you looked at the Marantz UD5005?
Dean
I'm in the same boat as you, I'm looking to spend up to about £400 on blu-ray/sacd player. I recently sold my Oppo BDP-83 and my Sony BDP-S360 (bedroom). I got £470 for the 2 and paid £100 for a Sony BDP-S370. I'm using the 370 as my main player for the moment and as has been said before, at 1080p playback the differences aren't massive. It's certainly better than the 360, less noise and a sharper image. How does it compare to the Oppo for picture, if you want your player to upscale SD to 1080p, it can't compete with the Oppo. In terms of HD playback, I'd say that the picture is brighter and slightly sharper, maybe a little less noise, but colours are a bit too vivid (although that has improved with burn in). Where I expect a more expensive player to show dividends is with sound, the 370 is articulate, but can sound a little harsh at times, not much low end grunt. It plays SACD's superbly for a £100 player, feeding a DSD signal via HDMI to my Z7, although lacking a bit in the midrange and low end.
I don't need internal decoding in a player and with Anchor Bay in my Z7, upscaling's not an issue either. I thought about the CA, but would expect it to perform pretty much the same as my outgoing Oppo. Blu-Ray is still improving, so the more recent Denon 1611 and the Sony BDP-S770 are the ones on my shortlist. For me, the Denon has the better build and chassis helping with a more stable platform for audio playback, plus DVD-Audio capability, although I expect that the Sony 770 will probably have a marginally better picture. I'm torn which way to go, whilst I respect Denon as a qulaity brand, their sound is usually too refined and warm for me.
Hi Pete
Have you looked at the Marantz UD5005?
Dean
bigboss
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nads:At risking starting a major debate if you are using the HDMI conections for both image and sound the BD player becomes a bit of a non entity, other than load times and usability, as the Amp and TV will be doing all the decoding.
For blu-ray videos, you are right. It really depends on which amp & TV you've got, for audio decoding & DVD upscaling. Some are better DVD upscalers than others.
For blu-ray videos, you are right. It really depends on which amp & TV you've got, for audio decoding & DVD upscaling. Some are better DVD upscalers than others.
dirtydean:
Have you looked at the Marantz UD5005?
No I hadn't, now you've just added to my troubles, it's a 3 horse race now as opposed to 2!
It certainly looks interesting, although apparently both the Denon and sister company Marantz are suffering from chipset delays due to mobile phone manufacturers gobbling them all up. It doesn't look like either will be available until towards the end of September.
Have you looked at the Marantz UD5005?
No I hadn't, now you've just added to my troubles, it's a 3 horse race now as opposed to 2!
It certainly looks interesting, although apparently both the Denon and sister company Marantz are suffering from chipset delays due to mobile phone manufacturers gobbling them all up. It doesn't look like either will be available until towards the end of September.
bigboss:
nads:At risking starting a major debate if you are using the HDMI conections for both image and sound the BD player becomes a bit of a non entity, other than load times and usability, as the Amp and TV will be doing all the decoding.
For blu-ray videos, you are right. It really depends on which amp & TV you've got, for audio decoding & DVD upscaling. Some are better DVD upscalers than others.
I understand the logic behind that, but it's not the case in my experience. Whilst differences aren't as pronounced as when using analogue connections, I can notice differences in sound via HDMI from different players. Same for picture, albeit much more subtle, but they are there. If you just want a blu-ray player to play blu-ray movies, the Sony 370 is the obvious answer, but if you want a bit more out of the audio, then a better chassis and power supply should bring dividends.
nads:At risking starting a major debate if you are using the HDMI conections for both image and sound the BD player becomes a bit of a non entity, other than load times and usability, as the Amp and TV will be doing all the decoding.
For blu-ray videos, you are right. It really depends on which amp & TV you've got, for audio decoding & DVD upscaling. Some are better DVD upscalers than others.
I understand the logic behind that, but it's not the case in my experience. Whilst differences aren't as pronounced as when using analogue connections, I can notice differences in sound via HDMI from different players. Same for picture, albeit much more subtle, but they are there. If you just want a blu-ray player to play blu-ray movies, the Sony 370 is the obvious answer, but if you want a bit more out of the audio, then a better chassis and power supply should bring dividends.
bigboss
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pete321:bigboss:
nads:At risking starting a major debate if you are using the HDMI conections for both image and sound the BD player becomes a bit of a non entity, other than load times and usability, as the Amp and TV will be doing all the decoding.
For blu-ray videos, you are right. It really depends on which amp & TV you've got, for audio decoding & DVD upscaling. Some are better DVD upscalers than others.
I understand the logic behind that, but it's not the case in my experience. Whilst differences aren't as pronounced as when using analogue connections, I can notice differences in sound via HDMI from different players. Same for picture, albeit much more subtle, but they are there. If you just want a blu-ray player to play blu-ray movies, the Sony 370 is the obvious answer, but if you want a bit more out of the audio, then a better chassis and power supply should bring dividends.
We're talking the same things. For blu-ray videos (1080/24p), there's little to differentiate between players. For audio, there is a difference. Yes, there won't be a diference between players if you allow your amp to decode audio, but it depends on how good your amp is.
nads:At risking starting a major debate if you are using the HDMI conections for both image and sound the BD player becomes a bit of a non entity, other than load times and usability, as the Amp and TV will be doing all the decoding.
For blu-ray videos, you are right. It really depends on which amp & TV you've got, for audio decoding & DVD upscaling. Some are better DVD upscalers than others.
I understand the logic behind that, but it's not the case in my experience. Whilst differences aren't as pronounced as when using analogue connections, I can notice differences in sound via HDMI from different players. Same for picture, albeit much more subtle, but they are there. If you just want a blu-ray player to play blu-ray movies, the Sony 370 is the obvious answer, but if you want a bit more out of the audio, then a better chassis and power supply should bring dividends.
We're talking the same things. For blu-ray videos (1080/24p), there's little to differentiate between players. For audio, there is a difference. Yes, there won't be a diference between players if you allow your amp to decode audio, but it depends on how good your amp is.
pete321:bigboss:
nads:At risking starting a major debate if you are using the HDMI conections for both image and sound the BD player becomes a bit of a non entity, other than load times and usability, as the Amp and TV will be doing all the decoding.
For blu-ray videos, you are right. It really depends on which amp & TV you've got, for audio decoding & DVD upscaling. Some are better DVD upscalers than others.
I understand the logic behind that, but it's not the case in my experience. Whilst differences aren't as pronounced as when using analogue connections, I can notice differences in sound via HDMI from different players. Same for picture, albeit much more subtle, but they are there. If you just want a blu-ray player to play blu-ray movies, the Sony 370 is the obvious answer, but if you want a bit more out of the audio, then a better chassis and power supply should bring dividends.
Thanks for the replying guys I think im going to go for the Denon its abit bigger in size than the CA and will have to jiggle my kit round abit. but i think this may be a better buy. I love lisening to clasical music so want a good alround player with SACD so the sonys dont appeal to me, then I can start buying better discs.
Thanks again for you help
Dean
nads:At risking starting a major debate if you are using the HDMI conections for both image and sound the BD player becomes a bit of a non entity, other than load times and usability, as the Amp and TV will be doing all the decoding.
For blu-ray videos, you are right. It really depends on which amp & TV you've got, for audio decoding & DVD upscaling. Some are better DVD upscalers than others.
I understand the logic behind that, but it's not the case in my experience. Whilst differences aren't as pronounced as when using analogue connections, I can notice differences in sound via HDMI from different players. Same for picture, albeit much more subtle, but they are there. If you just want a blu-ray player to play blu-ray movies, the Sony 370 is the obvious answer, but if you want a bit more out of the audio, then a better chassis and power supply should bring dividends.
Thanks for the replying guys I think im going to go for the Denon its abit bigger in size than the CA and will have to jiggle my kit round abit. but i think this may be a better buy. I love lisening to clasical music so want a good alround player with SACD so the sonys dont appeal to me, then I can start buying better discs.
Thanks again for you help
Dean
Looks like the Marentz UD5005 and Denon DBP1611UD still aren't available yet. I thought I had my choice made up with Cambridge Audio as well 
I'm not in any mad rush I guess (with a 5 month old baby here, no time to watch films anyway!) so maybe I should wait for release and reviews of the above two players to see how they compare.
I'm not in any mad rush I guess (with a 5 month old baby here, no time to watch films anyway!) so maybe I should wait for release and reviews of the above two players to see how they compare.
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